The problem is organised religion rather than personal faith whatever the religion. When organised religion takes over the state the problem takes on stately proportions.
We can thank those brave people of the enlightenment a couple of hundred years ago for our freedom from religious oppression and equally brave people for our press freedom and the fact blashpemy is not a crime.
patriotpro - Member
you can say that about any other religion
How many terrorists/acts of terrorism do you hear of nowadays that's done in the name of any other religion than Islam?
well i can think of a sectarian conflict in northern ireland that also spilled over into mainland britain.
and as for the legacy of violence of children committed and covered up for decades by the catholic church....
not to mention some very nasty christian vs hindu violence in india in recent years, both sides guilty of attrocities
and of course this video itself a deliberate act of provocation it seems by coptic christians intended to piss off muslims and provoke a response on the anniversary of 9/11
Edukator - Member
Jesus ordered his diciples to bring those that would not have him as their king before him and slaughter them.
I'm not offended by what you are saying, but I am intrigued. Where would it be that Jesus said this exactly?
Just outside Jurusalem (or Jerico, I can see I'm going to have to open up the Bible and check this), he ordered his diciples to go steal a donkey then rode it in Jurusalem defended by his disciples and occupied the temple.
I'll find you the references in a sec.
Edit: Luke 19:27 on.
Edukator - MemberOn a recent thread of this ilk I was slated for suggesting that veiled women might not wish to be veiled.
You don't really think that's what you got criticised for, do you? I mean, really?
Link it if you wish, Northwind, people will see exactly what I got criticised for.
[url= http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Luk&c=19# ]Here's Luke 19[/url], the type of animal stolen doesn't agree with my Bible but the story is pretty much the same.
Have fun and play nice guys, I'll spare a thought for you and maybe pray for you as I walk to Compostelle. I've got the pack down to 6.5kg or 8,5 with 2l of water. Wish me blisters, sore feet and an Atlantic storm or two. Laters.
kimbers - Muslims are currently rioting, maiming and killing in the name of their religion - no other, not now nor recently.
Jesus ordered his diciples to bring those that would not have him as their king before him and slaughter them.Luke 19:27
I've heard the parable of the ten talents before, never have I associated it with a claim that Jesus was ordering the slaughter of non-believers. The parable of the ten talents was a story told by Jesus, he didn't order his disciples to bring those that would not have him as their king before him and slaughter them. The king in this parable was a nobleman who became king of a distant land, Luke doesn't claim it was Jesus.
Do you ever watch the news or read a paper, Patriotpro? Or read what Kimbers posted above.
ernie_lynch - Member
Jesus ordered his diciples to bring those that would not have him as their king before him and slaughter them.
Luke 19:27I've heard the parable of the ten talents before, never have I associated it with a claim that Jesus was ordering the slaughter of non-believers. The parable of the ten talents was a story told by Jesus, he didn't order his disciples to bring those that would not have him as their king before him and slaughter them. The king in this parable was a nobleman who became king of a distant land, Luke doesn't claim it was Jesus.
So 'Edukator' is a blasphemer then and punishable by *****?
This one?
http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/wtf-naked-rambler-jailed-for-5-months/page/4
I doubt many people will read it again- but perhaps you should, since you seem to have rewritten it all in your mind 😆
patriotpro you are Pastor Terry Jones and I claim my ten dollars
It's a question of where the parable ends, Ernie. I've linked Luke and people can judge for themselves what Jesus intended his message to be.
In my French Bible 19:27 starts with "D'autre part", a clear break from parable telling and a return to the tasks in hand. You'll find a lot of biblical scolars that have spent a lot of like studying the Greek texts think it was jesus giving an order to his diciples.
kimbers - for your offence you shall be buried neck-deep and stoned to death...
edukator - stop asking silly questions.
D'autre part, la route est longue, il faut que je dorme.
It's a question of where the parable ends, Ernie. I've linked Luke ......
Actually I've checked and the version I've heard appears to be Matthew 25 which ends : [i]"And cast the worthless servant into the outer darkness; there men will weep and gnash their teeth"[/i].......rather grim for members of the proletariat who don't pull their weight 😐
But either way it does not back up your claim that Jesus told his disciples to slaughter nonbelievers.
... people can judge for themselves what Jesus intended his message to be
Oh yes, people can and will interpret the bible as best suits them (as you have in this case). And I'm sure people do the same with the Koran.
I may say I think Islam is patriarchal for example and disrespectful of women
And yet it's possible to read accounts of folk that have travelled to Muslim countries and lived among the people, that state that the reality is that day to day Islamic family life is often matriarchal, and that the men are as henpecked and under the thumb as in any other society..
what if all the mental bible verses were recreated in lego......
[url= http://www.thebricktestament.com/home.html ]http://www.thebricktestament.com/home.html[/url]
On a recent thread of this ilk I was slated for suggesting that veiled women might not wish to be veiled.
There is a huge amount of pressure to conform in muslim society; I know two brothers who both break the fast they swear blind to each other that they uphold, and I let a young "muslim" lad hide in my office to stuff his face with bacon. 😆
let a young "muslim" lad hide in my office to stuff his face with bacon. ah sbob that made me laff .a whole religon desperate to be ofended as i see it,
When will people start practicing the right not to be offended.
On reflection, I still don't think we, I certainly don't, know anywhere near enough about Islam as a faith to really be outraged at the level of supposed offence that certain elements of the muslim community take from these silly cartoons, and such like.
ah sbob that made me laff
I once fed a bacon burger to a Jewish vegetarian; double bubble!
Cured quite a few veggies over the years, plus a few afflicted with religion.
Bacon is always the key. 😉
Marcus Brigstoke has something to say on this
The film serves no other purpose but to insult and degrade brother Muhammad his teachings and to offend his followers, the children of Allah or Muslim culture.
There is no justification for it not being banned as it is clearly full of lies and is offensive to any civilized human being.
In a country such as America where what you can say about the Jewish people is strictly controlled, it is no surprise to me that such a clear provocation of the Muslim community has been launched from this country.
Are the followers of Muhammad wrong for defending their history and what they believe? they can only be wrong for doing so, if you believe in nothing and as such everything to you becomes therefore acceptable.
Why has what can only be described as an appalling piece of film making cost $5,000,000 and also why has it from it's very first release received such massive publicity?
The children of Allah are right to defend their rich history and beliefs, they are also right to want the stench of America as far from their nostrils as it can be driven!
The film serves no other purpose but to insult and degrade brother Muhammad his teachings and to offend his followers, the children of Allah or Muslim culture.
I agree but their book is not that great towards those who dont believe what they think. Many Muslims support the death penalty [ 85% in a moderate country like Egypt for example] for leaving Islam for example. they are not exactly a great example of respecting others beleifs themselves
There is no justification for it not being banned as it is clearly full of lies and is offensive to any civilized human being.
Probably true - certainly not a right I want to support
In a country such as America where what you can say about the Jewish people is strictly controlled, it is no surprise to me that such a clear provocation of the Muslim community has been launched from this country.
It was apparently funded by jews and done by a Coptic christian and promoted by a christian organisation.
Are the followers of Muhammad wrong for defending their history and what they believe? they can only be wrong for doing so, if you believe in nothing and as such everything to you becomes therefore acceptable.
They could of course just ignore it and continue believing what they want rather than worry about what other people believe. the problem is they want to tell me what to believe and think and that I should be prosecuted for blasphemy for example. Could you imagine their reaction if i wanted them prosecuted for not being an atheist? Do they think soem of what they say is not offensive to me/
Why has what can only be described as an appalling piece of film making cost $5,000,000 and also why has it from it's very first release received such massive publicity?
It has not had massive publicity till an arab Tv station translated it into arabic and published it and then out that in you tube
The children of Allah are right to defend their rich history and beliefs,
What do you mean by defend they seem to be rioting and killing people ie attacking folk rather than defending it.
they are burning flags of America and of Israel. they are burning effigies of Obama. They are fairly disrespectful when they protest and would not like this done to the Koran for example.
they are also right to want the stench of America as far from their nostrils as it can be driven!
their choice to make
Perhaps junkyard, but the teachings of all of the prophets and the messages they brought to man kind have been altered throughout history to ensure that certain individuals and groups benefit from these religions, in terms of wealth and power.
Muhammad as Jesus before him, teaches that all things are one, both prophets also taught that equality and fair treatment is essential, not through books but by how they lived their lives and the facts that not only their followers but also their friends were from all walks of life and religions/belief systems, testifies to this.
They were in a very real sense interested in finding a common ground for people to meet on and to set aside their differences and focus on that which brings each of us closer.
The problem with this situation as with all other situations where there is violence or conflict between different peoples, is a lack of truth or the understanding it brings.
As for burning the flags of Israel or America, we are burning Men, Women and even children, some of those children not yet born. I do not believe this is only about the movie, that was simply the last straw.
For all of those who said that media could not be used to incite civil unrest, what are you saying now?
The west has committed far more crimes against the children of Allah and the Muslim peoples that this dumb ass film, however this does go to show how much influence and control the TV and media has over a lot of people all over the world.
As for the US Ambassador Christopher Stevens, the same individuals that he funded, armed and trained, killed him?
Marcus Brigstoke has something to say on this
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sbob - Member
ah sbob that made me laff
I once fed a bacon burger to a Jewish vegetarian; double bubble!Cured quite a few veggies over the years, plus a few afflicted with religion.
Bacon is always the key.
Not with me it ain't! 😀
Don't like bacon, or pork in general. Or lamb, come to that, although I do like a kebab. Go figure.
