Pretty weird isn't it? Is he just a hero to steroid abusing geordie scallies? I find it interesting the way some people seem to be seeing him as some kind of rebel hero - wonder if it's a sign of how pissed off people are generally.
Sorry random thoughts due to not being able to sleep 🙂
If he was a true peoples champion he wouldn't have been shooting them!! I think its all to do with the mass media frenzy on Friday night really, a Ned Kelly-eque stand off, one man against the world etc etc, without mentioning much about his true crimes.
I suppose there is kind of a tradition in history of making legends/folk heroes out of criminals who evade the police etc - interesting that it still happens in modern times though. This guy seems an unlikely candidate too.
Murdered one, seriously injured his ex and left a policeman blinded, hero my arse. Selfish coward.
Fascinating isn't it?
I'm not going to plough through all of that, but taking a quick sample, there's huge contempt for the police among people who write phonetically. Presumably they aren't all actually criminals? Maybe they are, don't know.
Anybody translate this into english....
"Lv how tha coppas say shit reet they r killers aswel take raoul 4 example they cud of getin off the ****in lazy arses nd did sumit about it nd tha neva nd tha **** taisered him forcin him t pul tha trigger rip raoul m8 does any 1 no wen the FUNERAL IS EHH"
...ahhh bless.
I reckon they've picked up a few hundred people who are worth 'watching' though. Morons.
lodious - Member
Anybody translate this into english....
[phonetic Geordiespeak]
Sounds like [url= http://www.twitter.com/cherylkerl ]Cheryl Kerl[/url] to me.
An example for comparison: "Hei, tha Ladee Gawgaw one 'Alllyhandreau' soonds leek some keinda Eureauvishin entree bei Bruthahood a Man duzzen it? Bonkaz!"
Lol @ lodious - whoever 'wrote' that needs euthanasing
Can't someone in government get hold of that list, and stop all of their benefits?
Starve some English into them!
Another reason I have never used Facebook!
Where is that picture of the Policeman who was shot in the face. Pathetic ****s s.
Edit- ah its on one of those links. Pity you have to 'like' before you fan comment.
Will report those pages. ****s. Go down the lefthand side and hit report pages.
Scarily there are loads of them. Facebook already deleted some.
Quite a lot of support on YouTube too.
Read one the other day that basically said:
"e shot his gf cos she wos a slag thn e wen afta tha pigs wot set him up Es a propa legend"
There are some real mentalists out there.
there's huge contempt for the police among people who write phonetically
That's such a brilliant way of putting it.....sadly.....
Jealous steriod-using goon terrorises ex-girlfriend, tries to kill her and shoots her new boyfriend dead.
Shoots another unarmed-man in the face.
...and people think hes praiseworthy?
His brother commented in the paper 'he was lonely/all alone out there, needed a fathers love and was misunderstood'.
Could we apply that theory to all murderers?
(Bangs head against wall).
makes me wonder if all those idiots who seem to think he is a hero would feel any different if his victim/victims had been their loved ones or friends, i really wanted to comment but refuse to 'like ' the group to do so
Anyway. Lets avoid any hand-wringing.
He bungled shooting himself with a shotgun at pointblank range and lived for an hour or so didnt he? 🙄
Fawn Ann Hanley - dem scumbag coppers neva dun anythin for me an my kids wen we needed it so dey are scum dey cudn b bothered healpin ppl wit thins dat affect ppl in everyday of der lives like me an plenty of others an Llike Raoul Moat....!! Dey jst leave ye an hop ye kill urself or untill its 2 late an ye end up bin driven to insanity ...an snap an dats exactly wat happened to Raoul...An den day paint a picture of demselves as Heroes of their communities an vow to do wat eva necessary to find him , (The Biggesst Man Hunt in decades is wat they called it) an dey cudn even b bothered ta try an keep ppl safe by conductin a proper search! der murderin scum only out 4 demselves no matter who gets hurt... or killed! der jst another gang....! RIP Moaty m8.... luv ye ... sweet drems 4eva... gone bt neva 4gotten m8!!! xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
😆
There was a pic in today's Metro of a woman posing for a picture at the scene of his death. Macabre tourism....
Gavin Looks Gawjus:
Lv how tha coppas say shit reet they r killers aswel take raoul 4 example they cud of getin off the ****in lazy arses nd did sumit about it nd tha neva nd tha **** taisered him forcin him t pul tha trigger rip raoul m8 does any 1 no wen the FUNERAL IS EHH
Am I living in a parralel universe or is this a language I have not yet mastered?
Actually it's an addictive site!
"Liz Newton-fitzpatrick: If all the haters fked off,the weird **** would have no more than 500 fans,oh minus the troll's that would leave 100 mental geordies!" That about summs it up!
One of the cleaners on the wing I work on was in Durham jail with him. Our cleaner had been on the phone to one of his pals who'd told him they were selling 'Raoul Moat lager' in pubs in Northumberland. Apparently it tasted ok but had no head.
Also told him that Moat had blue eyes, one blew one way & one blew the other. I tried to point out that these sort of comments were 'inappropriate.
Your'e always gonna get the cranks on Facebook but I think they are in the minority.
Maybe it's a troll and the work of a middle class stw-er?
I am of the opinion that the police have a lot to answer for here. Doesn't make me a criminal though. PErsonally I hope the police get hammered in the IPCC investigation.
This weird speak makes me feel either very old or educated - I can't decide which.
hora - Member
His brother commented in the paper 'he was lonely/all alone out there, needed a fathers love and was misunderstood'.Could we apply that theory to all murderers?
(Bangs head against wall).
yes, to a degree there are frequently known to be difficult childhoods/backgrounds behind the emotional development that can lead people to become violent criminals.
It has emerged that Raoul Moat had his Facebook profile deleted by their staff today. When his mum called them to ask why, they told her it is because he no longer has a face.
Celebrity culture gone mad. Some people are too thick/deluded to separate fame from infamy.
Let facebook work for the good people of the UK for a change and allow the Government to round up all these pathetic idiots who are making him out to be a hero and deporting them. We can't stand for people like this to bring down this wonderful country.
Makes my blood boil.
Some choice (edited) quotes from [url=
"RAUL DONE RITE ,CANT HAVE C**TS SHAGGING? YOUR MISSES""MOATY IS A LEGEND NOW TH EPOLICE MADE HIM INTO ONE ON PURPOSE. HES THE FING KING NOW. KING RAOUL. I LOVE HIM HES MY FING? HERO HIM AND GAZZA. THERE WILL BE MORE RAOULS."
"WHOS THE MAN ---- RAOUL? MOAT HE THE FING MAN HE MADE 15 FORCES, RAF AND SAS LOOK LIKE SCHOOL KIDS HA HA "
"FING LEGEND, WHAT A MAN GAZZA IS HES RIGHT MOATY WAS A GREAT MAN AND A LEGEND. HE WAS HOUNDED, TORMENTED AND THEN EVENTUALLY KILLED BY THE POLICE. REST IN PEACE BIG MAN GONE BUT NEVER FORGOTTEN NOW? YOU HAVE MADE A LEGACY IN 2 DAYS 13,000 FACEBOOK SIGN UPS. LOVED FOREVER NOW "
"ere man u 2 priks r fkn grasses fkn copper lovers its about tym sum fuker taught them pigs a lesson? just a shame "THEY" fkn killed him and they say hes the killer fkn hypocrites "MOAT U R A LEGEND" "
Plenty more where that came from and on any other threads to do with Moat. People are very weird!
I think you need to remember that 95% of comments will be from 14 year old kids. its the other 5% that will be worrying the police
Celebrity culture gone mad. Some people are too thick/deluded to separate fame from infamy
They lack the cognitive power to reason or empathise even on a basic level.
This is what a woman drinking throughout pregnancy (probably) does to a child. Robs them of many aspects even before they are born.
Let facebook work for the good people of the UK for a change and allow the Government to round up all these pathetic idiots who are making him out to be a hero and deporting them.
Deport them where exactly? Like it or not, these people are a product of OUR society.
dey are scum dey cudn b bothered healpin ppl wit thins dat affect ppl in everyday of der lives like me an plenty of others an Llike Raoul Moat....!! Dey jst leave ye an hop ye kill urself or untill its 2 late an ye end up bin driven to insanity ...an snap an dats exactly wat happened to Raoul.
This sort stuff makes it possible for me to understand being illiterate, it's so much more difficult to read than actual words.
look at [url= http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhyging ]ivanhoe martin[/url]
jimmy cliff even played a character based on him in 'the harder they come' seen as a huge folk hero in Jamaica.
harry roberts is hailed as a hero in some circles for murdering 3 police officers.
this is nothing new.
I think you need to remember that 95% of
comments will be from 14 year old kids. its the
other 5% that will be worrying the police
Sadly if you click through to their profiles most of them claim to be adults.
It really bothers me when you get the usual Daily Mail headline calling a criminal evil, sub-human or degenerate. Trying to distance them from a normal person.
People dont seem to make the connection that it could have been them if their situation had been different. That potential evil is inside all of us.
Or maybe people do and it scares them hence they try and distance the purpitator.
But this is too far the other way with people just concentrating on the fact he had a bad upbringing without concentrating on the fact that he had the chance to change his behaviour, get help etc etc...
It seems some people just cant do anything by halves. Things have to be black and white, either some ones a goodie or badie. Not the truth which is that there is some good and some evil inside us all.
jimmyshand - Member
I am of the opinion that the police have a lot to answer for here.
I'd LOVE to hear how you come to that conclusion.
People dont seem to make the connection that it could have been them if their situation had been different
He was a doorman involved in the underworld, violent and raped his ex-girlfriend.
He was jailed for beating a child.
He had more previous.
He didn't slip and accidently pull the trigger multiple times.
At what stage could it have been anyone 'normal'?
Tasering someone who had a gun to their head. Ignoring prison officer advice about the danger posed by Moat on his release. To name but two things out of many.
I dont care what he has done previously, it is not the job of the police to sentence people to death.
PeterPoddy - Memberjimmyshand - Member
I am of the opinion that the police have a lot to answer for here.I'd LOVE to hear how you come to that conclusion.
that thought crossed my mind, too - i certainly wasn't avidly reading about the way things panned out, rather than catching the odd update. interesting to hear a side to the story i didn't know about.
Am I living in a parralel universe or is this a language I have not yet mastered?
You have to read it in a Geordie accent 🙂 I had no trouble understanding it, though it does make me a little ashamed to be the same species as that lot 🙁
Tasering someone who had a gun to their head. Ignoring prison officer advice about the danger posed by Moat on his release. To name but two things out of many.
So we know this for sure or are we going on newspaper reports?
the suggestion about the tasering was that it was an attempt (in the middle of the night following a long stand-off) to stop him topping himself, wasn't it? i can't really see how it would be construed as likely to escalate the situation, knowing that in the circumstances he had to be a virtual certainty to pull the trigger?
Isn't Fawn Ann Hanley a leader writer for the Guardian?
Non surprise number 1: The internet is full of idiots
Non surprise number 2: England is full of idiots
Easy to shoot people who are unarmed isn't it Raoul?
He was a doorman involved in the underworld, violent and raped his ex-girlfriend.He was jailed for beating a child.
He had more previous.
He didn't slip and accidently pull the trigger multiple times.
At what stage could it have been anyone 'normal'?
I remember some people posting on here that they'd had a pretty bad upbringing but turned out alright I cant remember what you said hora but to me this proves my point life can go anyway.
I dont know maybe he had a bad child hood and turned to drink, drugs and steroids at an early age maybe this actually affected his brain chemistry. Testosterone can make people both aggressive and paranoid both behaviours set out above.
Maybe he was clever enough (police informer) to get away with these things so nothing went wrong for him till it was too late to change his behaviour.
I dont know I suppose it depends what you description of normal is but I could see for most people a few bad decisions during your teenage years might make life turn out very differently to how it did.
Also are you suggesting he could nt have had a normal life no matter what ?
hora- we know that tazers were fired. what we dont know is the timing of the firing.
theflatboy- shocking someone who has their finger on a trigger is only ever going to result in them pulling that trigger.
this is not the place for assumptions. (this is the point i am making) Two sides to every story and the truth is always in the middle somewhere etc etc etc.
People dont seem to make the connection that it could have been them if their situation had been different
Yep - if I'd been a psychotic, raping, child-beating, serial criminal without 2 brain cells to rub together, with an utter inability to take responsibility for the choices that I had made in life and a total disregard for morality and the rights of others - that could have been me.
this may or may not be indicative of what i think of Raoul Moat but if i shot people or threatened to shoot police etc etc as he did i would hope some other bastard shot me in the head as fast as possible to make sure i didnt take it further.
Yep - if I'd been a psychotic, raping, child-beating, serial criminal without 2 brain cells to rub together, with an utter inability to take responsibility for the choices that I had made in life and a total disregard for morality and the rights of others - that could have been me.
Put far better than I could and succinctly.
a prime example of the 'under-class'
Obviously there is the issue of why advice from the prison wasn't acted on and that will need to be investigated thoroughly. However, moving on from that the police's main priority was to protect the public. They seem to have done that. It's easy for the armchair bounty-hunters on here to opine on what the police should and shouldn't have done but they were not there and do not know the full story. Sure he may have had the gun pointed at his own head but it only takes a split second to point it at someone elses. Although a very tragic event, let's not lose sight of the fact that this was [b]ALL[/b] Raoul Moat's doing. He made the choices that led him to this destination. He didn't kill and maim in self defence.
jimmyshand - Member
theflatboy- shocking someone who has their finger on a trigger is only ever going to result in them pulling that trigger.
you obviously have a lot more knowledge of such things than i do, then. though presumably one could hold a gun to the side of one's head without necessarily having a finger on the trigger, no?
Would it have been feasible to dart him with a tranquilizer or similar?
Would it have been feasible to dart him with a tranquilizer or similar?
Or a rolled up newspaper?
Deport them where exactly? Like it or not, these people are a product of OUR society.
They may be a product of our society but we aren't powerless to do something about it.
Lets put it down to a vote, let the general public decide, do you want to live in the same country as these nasty little scumbags? If the answer is yes then i will quite happily accept defeat and leave. If the answer is no then lets get rid of them all, to where exactly? Who cares, put them on a boat and cut it loose into the atlantic, packed with explosives and a remote detonator. Either that or send them somewhere really nasty where they will fit in like N. Korea, Afghanistan or the Isle of Man.
Ignoring prison officer advice about the danger posed by Moat on his release
Not strictly true. A cellmate said to prison officers "hes going hurt his gf"
The prison then pass this on to police, who every morning have a meeting to discuss who's been let out of prison the day before and the risks they pose to the general public and police. these meetings have a lot of cases to get through.
What can they do? put a police guard on everyone who is at risk or poses a risk? how long for? impossible to implement I'm afraid.
This thread has turned from a discussion about the Facebook stuff, to a completely different discussion altogether. It'll probably get closed.
(btw, EVERYONE I've spoken to thinks the whole thing had the right result in the end.)
LHS - Member
If the answer is no then lets get rid of them all, to where exactly? Who cares, put them on a boat and cut it loose into the atlantic, packed with explosives and a remote detonator. Either that or send them somewhere really nasty where they will fit in like N. Korea, Afghanistan or the Isle of Man.
do you write the BNP manifesto?
do you write the BNP manifesto?
How has that got anything to do with the BNP?
LHS - Memberdo you write the BNP manifesto?
How has that got anything to do with the BNP?
because it is essentially the same as a plan outlined in the recent BNP manifesto. google "bnp south georgia". you should join, you'd fit right in.
So LHS, you would like to build a society where we discriminate against people whose anti-social behaviour, as far as we can tell, is that they chose to write phonetically and have some misguided respect for someone who may have been deranged in some way.
Think on balance I'd rather rite fonetically 🙂
put them on a boat and cut it loose into the atlantic, packed with explosives and a remote detonator.
Yes, very much a the sort of solution you'd get in the letters section of the Daily Mail there LHS, but not really very practical or realistic so it doesn't really move us forward.
I thought the BNP was all about immigration and racism? I'm talking about nasty little oiks who think it is acceptable to shoot people in the face.
Think on balance I'd rather rite fonetically
Your choice I guess.
but not really very practical or realistic so it doesn't really move us forward.
practical - yes, realistic - sadly not.
I'm talking about nasty little oiks who think it is acceptable to shoot people in the face.
Can I ask what the people of Afghanistan or N.Korea have done to deserve getting these people imported into their country?
Jimmyshand
I think you should have stuck to playing the accordion. Any relation?
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LHS - Member
I thought the BNP was all about immigration and racism? I'm talking about nasty little oiks who think it is acceptable to shoot people in the face.
if you look up the information i mentioned you'll find how closely alligned your perspective is to that of the BNP. somehow i don't find it hard to believe that a fair bit of what they say strikes a chord with your views.
Can I ask what the people of Afghanistan or N.Korea have done to deserve getting these people imported into their country?
A very good point, apologies, i have nothing against these people and they certainly shouldn't be burdened with the dross of society we choose to deport.
How about Australia?
How about Australia?
We've tried that before and it didn't help us. 😉
Deport them where exactly? Like it or not, these people are a product of OUR society.They may be a product of our society but we aren't powerless to do something about it.
Lets put it down to a vote, let the general public decide, do you want to live in the same country as these nasty little scumbags? If the answer is yes then i will quite happily accept defeat and leave. If the answer is no then lets get rid of them all, to where exactly? Who cares, put them on a boat and cut it loose into the atlantic, packed with explosives and a remote detonator. Either that or send them somewhere really nasty where they will fit in like N. Korea, Afghanistan or the Isle of Man.
Certainly a product of this nation of individuals. Responsibility for Society is something citizens of the UK don't do.
Tasering someone who had a gun to their head. Ignoring prison officer advice about the danger posed by Moat on his release. To name but two things out of many.
I dont care what he has done previously, it is not the job of the police to sentence people to death.
He did
Interesting points but you seem to be ignoring the fact that Moat shot some people and then held the gun to his head for quite a while. He could easily have got out of this dangerous scenario by simply putting the gun down and surrendering - his decison not to do this shows some sort of intent surely. When you are shot in the head with the illegally owned gun in your hand that you have pointed at your head for a number of hours when faced with armed officers I think you are at least partially to blame for shooting yourself.
To ignore Rauls role in this takes some seriously selective reading of facts.
To ignore Rauls role in this takes some seriously selective reading of facts.
+1
LHS You judge a society about how it treats those on the margins of it those who are disenfranchised from it. We need to somehow find a way of reintegrating these people [ the Moat loving hoddy chav criminal tastic types] into society and sharing our views and values. I suspect that violating their human rights and using your own hatred of them as a guide to your behaviour is not an effective method of achieving this goal.
. I suspect that violating their human rights and using your own hatred of them as a guide to your behaviour is not an effective method of achieving this goal
Prove it! 😉
In all seriousness obviously my post was meant with a little tongue and cheek - I actually quite like the Isle of Man for example. Hatred is a strong word and I would never say that i really hate anyone. A better word to describe it is intolerance. And yes, I am intolerant of anyone who thinks hero worshiping someone like this is acceptable.
I agree with your point about reintegrating these people into society but as above, this is neither practical or realistic. So we are stuck in the middle and nothing will change. Sounds like the UK.
Lets put it down to a vote, let the general public decide, do you want to live in the same country as these nasty little scumbags?
might it not be the case that they in fact outnumber those that revile them and democracy might see us being deported to oblivion ?
What a load of conceited snobbery. As someone above mentions these people are a product of our society, it's certainly not them steering this ship.
Just chucking money at them in the form of benefits and then resenting them for taking it is not going to help anyone, these people need to be empowered and that's where it's going wrong.
I would imagine that to these people the police are mostly oppressive and intimidatiing, and as in one of those posts never actually there when they are needed. That's certainly my experiance of them. I don't agree with it but in that context it is entirly understandable why Moat is being idolised for his vendetta against the authorities.
Well the status quo wont work for sure but is it really surprising that crims hate the feds?
I dont think anyone will support or defend them for theor views but I dont think we should match their intolerance with ours ...even though we are right and they are tools
...hoddy chav...
Steady, you'll make ernie mad if you start on construction workers !