[Closed] This magazine's tedious political agenda.

Yeah, pesky lefty liberal Guardian...

[url= http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jul/14/left-reject-eu-greece-eurosceptic ]The left must put Britain's EU withdrawal on the agenda (14 July 2015)[/url]

[url= http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/may/16/brexit-eu-referendum-boris-johnson-greece-tory ] The leftwing case for Brexit (16th May 2016)[/url]

[url= http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/may/17/a-closer-look-at-the-leftwing-case-for-brexit ]A closer look at the leftwing case for Brexit (Guardian, 17th May 2016)[/url]

OK I'll have a go...

pathetic self righteousness

constant prissiness about women in maxxis catalogues

trying to ram remain down our throats

I'll clarify the debate

effect

self-righteous left wing tabloid, I could go on the Guardian

cry myself fragile little self to sleep at night.

3/10 - no shouty capitals, nothing about immigrants.

What would be embarrassing for Joe is if he'd used this forum to promote his own political agenda, say with a topic about his own little petition to keep those nasty foreigners from investing in property.

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What would be embarrassing for Joe is if he'd used this forum to promote his own political agenda, say with a topic about his own little petition to keep those nasty foreigners from investing in property.

He'd never do such a thing would he?

He comes across as such a reasonable well balanced kind of person.

Still he's up this month's "jambalaya best ignorance of the facts" award: http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/anders-breivik-makes-the-case-for-brexit

Clickbaity headline but the article's more reasoned. Smog sounds like bollocks.

I'm sure people would respond to the BPW/7 Stanes part "But we could spend the £350m on that instead". But the UK governments are not investing in trails, in fact they're cutting back. I see nothing to suggest that'd change.

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What would be embarrassing for Joe is if he'd used this forum to promote his own political agenda, say with a topic about his own little petition to keep those nasty foreigners from investing in property.

It's not really a "nasty foreigners" thing that, property speculation is a huge problem regardless of who it is that's doing it.

joe - did you read the article?

singletrack has the right to write journalism..its a little bit their job..

i live in switzerland, so we are not in the eu... and i tell you its a pain in the arse for alot of things.. silly little things, but also work wise it aint so great..!

oh and prissiness re: maxxis girls? really? you find that kind of thing ok? i applaud stw's approach to that..

Smog seems tenuous; but they are right EU regulations have made beaches much cleaner around by me.

Well one thing is for sure, the politicians aren't going to give us any facts to works with. No that would never do. The prols having meaningful information on which to base a decision? Ha!

The front page article in question actually highlights my reasons for voting Stay whereas all the other stuff gives me reasons to vote Leave. It's why I'm currently undecided as mountain biking here in Wales has gained an awful lot from EU membership.
If it wasn't for EU funding Afan/Glyncorrwg would be unknown to most riders and any mention of CYB would me met with quizzical looks. The industrial unit used by Mojo and the previous home of Loco were built using EU grants, I don't know if they would have found alternative homes but a ready supply of cheap units probably helped. Without this base of Trail Centres and local MTB-based businesses would BPW or Antur Stiniog come into existence? BPW might but on a smaller scale (no big building probably) so would not be the same.

It was actually nice to read an article that stuck to facts without throwing mud around the place.

singletrack has the right to write journalism..its a little bit their job..

Hard to call that article journalism, take the first point about the EHIC card it isn't a substitute for travel insurance. From the NHS website:

[i]The EHIC is not an alternative to travel insurance. It will not cover any private medical healthcare or costs, such as mountain rescue in ski resorts, being flown back to the UK, or lost or stolen property. It is also not valid on cruises.[/i]

Everyone knows that the good Contis are the ones made in Germany. If we end up with the EU slapping trade tariffs on us, the price of things made in the EU will go up.

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And without the right to paid holiday - won in a large part thanks to the EU, fewer of us would be seen on the trails during the week.

I may be speculating here, but anyone else case to argue the toss that that our evil Tory overlords aren't slavering over the prospect of rewriting the legislation to force us to work harder, in return for less?

Perhaps, post Brexit the trails around Wales might be a tad quieter during those dry Summer weekdays?

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Hard to call that article journalism, take the first point about the EHIC card it isn't a substitute for travel insurance

The article doesn't say it is; in fact it discusses insurance too.

Hope products will potentially be cheaper. Aluminium will not be hit with such massive import duties.

Cheaper if you're buying from abroad, more expensive if you're buying with pounds in the UK.

It's not really a "nasty foreigners" thing that, property speculation is a huge problem regardless of who it is that's doing it.

I thought the humour would be obvious. I guess not.

About 13 million women in work are protected from discrimination as a result of equality legislation; 340,000 women receive paid maternity leave each year in the UK. In addition, 1.6 million people on temporary contracts now have the same rights as permanent workers. That’s an awful lot of people protected, and yet the Brexiters scoff at those rights.

The employment minister, Priti Patel, a prominent Tory Brexiter, has called them a burden and would like to halve them. Boris Johnson said it was “very disappointing” that Britain had not made “changes to employment law”, complaining that we “need to weigh in on all that stuff, all that social chapter stuff”.

Boris has already talked about a bonfire of rights and Gove *loves* pro-business reform.

As I've said before Turkey's voting for Christmas...

If we end up with the EU slapping trade tariffs on us, the price of things made in the EU will go up. Oh, and step away from the rosebikes.de site, that stuff will only get held at customs and you’ll have to pay import duty (as with packages from the US).

A bundle of non-sequiturs and lack of understanding of duty tariff there...

It does not automatically follow that an EU tariff on goods IMPORTED into the EU from UK will lead to reciprocal tariffs on all goods going the other way. Tariffs are often product class specific.

Also, in the absence of a trade agreement, the likelihood is that any tariffs on imports TO the UK FROM EU might attract the default World Trade 4% duty rate (as we do for US goods)

Not to mention that the UK would be in a position to then reduce it's VAT as it sees fit (which it cant do now). A highly regressive tax. Even when applied to carbon MTBS 🙂

The EHIC is not an alternative to travel insurance. It will not cover ... lost or stolen property.

Anyone who thought the European health care insurance also covered their bags getting nicked is a special kind of stupid. 😀

As I've said before Turkey's voting for Christmas...

very much so, the low paid will lose rights and be worse off post Brexit - a double whammy. The rich will carry on being rich and the rest of us will muddle through.

my EHIC wasnt much help this winter when I ran over my own thumb with my skis in Morzine. The town clinic is a private one so I had to pay for it myself and it's not recoverable.

So, can anyone explain which parts of that article aren't true?

Probably the bits with "might" "unlikely" or "could" as opposed to "will"

So thats:
1. Visiting Europe
2. The Guiding Job
5. Smog
6. BPW
7. Regulations

Passport control at Gretna .... really ?

One of the few Brexit certainties is 2 yrs of uncertainties / negotiations...

my EHIC wasnt much help this winter when I ran over my own thumb with my skis in Morzine.

Is that because stupidity is excluded? 😉

Not to mention that the UK would be in a position to then reduce it's VAT as it sees fit.

Except our books still don't balance so tax cuts are unlikely (cat in hells chance).

EHIC card is such a red herring, I mean do you not go mtbing elsewhere in the world e.g. USA, just because they don't have one or similar?

1. Visiting Europe - pretty much irrelevant point
2. The Guiding Job - brexit would impact here no doubt
5. Smog - rubbish
6.BPW - yes EU funds were used to build, would a UK government fund similar in future that is unknown.
7. Regulations - impossible to say IMO. The UK have brought in some regs before the EU and in fact in some cases the EU ones are simply blander versions of the original UK one, other case are the other way around. For me I don't think this is clear cut either way.

Is that because stupidity is excluded?

and rightly so. No one should have to subsidise my clutziness.

my EHIC wasnt much help this winter when I ran over my own thumb with my skis in Morzine. The town clinic is a private one so I had to pay for it myself and it's not recoverable.

I put a ski through my shin (to the bone) in Zermatt. 350 Euros for 3 stitches and a Tetanus jab!

when I ran over my own thumb with my skis in Morzine

like some kind of middle class Brian Harvey!

well we've ascertained that at least two of us shouldnt be allowed on snow unaccompanied.

However, for those who've not yet tried out their EHIC card in anger, an illustration that's it's not quite the same as rocking up at UK A&E with a brake lever in your thigh and getting a free new leg.

"like some kind of middle class Brian Harvey!"

😆

He drove over his own head! 😮

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However, for those who've not yet tried out their EHIC card in anger, an illustration that's it's not quite the same as rocking up at UK A&E with a brake lever in your thigh and getting a free new leg.

To be fair as we're leading Europe in Diabetes, we're going to have a huge pile of spare legs knocking about after all the amputations, so giving them away free is cost neutral to the NHS....

So which way do I have to vote if I don't want to have to swap my brake levers over?

How angry are you gonna be when they do the "7 reasons brexit will be good for MTB" article later on?

(Though we all know they prob wont)

So which way do I have to vote if I don't want to have to swap my brake levers over?

Presumably Brexit, I can only imagine the current setting is due to some kind of bureaucratic decree handed down from Brussels like the rest of the laws in the UK. Somewhat of a paradoxical situation, vote exit and you'll be like the rest of Europe before you know it!

So which way do I have to vote if I don't want to have to swap my brake levers over?

#fixieit

I heard that if we vote for Brexit then the EU are going to take all the bridleways with them as part of the divorce proceedings.

As long as they don't take all the bridies.

Much as the OP is an ill thought-out troll (or maybe some kind of agenda pushing), I must say I found it predictably hilarious that PJM1974 managed to lever in accusations of racism, sexism and misogyny.

As Blackadder may have put it:

Re-arrange these words into a sentence - shooting/barrel/fish/in/a/like.

For the record I will be voting 'remain'. I'm not really emotionally committed either way, but to unpick all the details of our relationship with Europe and deal with them on a new basis will take DECADES to sort out and will inevitably lead to uncertainty. Uncertainty is almost always bad for the economy. If it bad for the economy it is bad for all of us.

#anythingforaquietlife

I've heard UKIP are banning 29ers and 27.5 as they're immigrant tyre sizes. All trails will have to be ridden on a rigid 26er made from steel.

dannyh, stop it, this is no time for cool headed reason, it is time for foaming at the mouth, civil war levels of hate for your neighbour and constant, [i]constant[/i] anger that anyone might have a different opinion to you.

A lot of folk don't realise how long it takes for major upheavals to actually manifest themselves in 'the real world'.

Despite all the metrics that come out about 'recovery' I reckon we have probably only seen about half of the corporate failures that can be attributed to the 07/08 crash actually happen yet. A lot of companies may well have been insulated as part of larger groups and have subsequently been sold on and now have to stand on their own two feet - until there is not enough cash in the business to pay the next load of rents then "pop".

British single track for British riders!

I will be henceforth appending "No 29ers, Immigrants or Dogs." signs to all FP in my local area.

It is a little one sided. It would be better if along with the 'might' statements we had the counter argument 'or it might not we just don't know'. Some of those mights are a little stretch - #3 for instance but quite why anyone would want continentals I don't know.

Still voting in though.

Just to show that the lines between left wing / right wing, authoritarian / libertarian etc are not as clear as many would like to believe......

Militant London dockers (one of the vanguards of the trade union movement) backing Enoch Powell in their own self-interest.

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Militant London dockers (one of the vanguards of the trade union movement) backing Enoch Powell in their own self-interest.

and look at all the good it did them...