Just watched the video linked back there.
Apparently he’s a Belgian Genius, with a 24” Penis and scores all the goals while his bell end hangs by his toes.
I guess Belgians are well endowed.
Shot putters? Discus throwers? Equestrian events? Anything else did she notice any all white events
Anyone remember Oliver Skeete?
Going back to the original question regarding a specific chant that alluded to the size of Lukaku's penis ...
There is on a Saturday morning a programme called SoccerAM which is seen by millions every week..a feature on this programme is a Q&A session with a different player every week some are black some are white ..the questions are fairly standard every week ..who is : the best trainer / dresser / dancer / fastest / slowest etc.
The last question is always the same and is a loaded question nearly always answered with a smile by the player being interviewed ..Who is the longest in the shower ?
Here is Frank Lampard being interviewed ..for the last question he answers Didier Drogba..is this then deemed to be racist ..or just a bit of fun as it was intended ?
So long as he doesn't have a chip on his shoulder about it...
Here is Frank Lampard being interviewed ..for the last question he answers Didier Drogba..is this then deemed to be racist ..or just a bit of fun as it was intended ?
If you make the assumption that it would be a black player then it's racist.
the question isn't a racist one, leaping to conclusions would be.
just had to check, it is indeed 2017
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Yeah, but she is a woman
OK, then. Reese Hoffa. (There are many more examples, but I can't be bothered to look any up. Two will do for now!)
In the grand scheme of football chanting it's pretty tame
A good football chant is a thing of joy and majesty.My own personal favourite is hearing the whole of Old Trafford launch into their homage to [url= https://www.fanchants.com/football-songs/manchester_united-chants/park-park-2/ ]Park Ji Sung[/url], which is offensive on so many levels, but also hilarious when sung with gusto by 70,000 people! 😀
I took mr daughter to the match the other night, and she was s****ing as the Stretford End launched into a rousing rendition of 'my old man said be a city fan, I said * off, bollocks, you're a *!!!'
We didn't hear the Lukaku one, if they did sing it. Personally I doubt it'll last, just because as a chant, it's just not that good
Do you seriously think football terraces are the only places where people swear? If you do, and you find it offensive, you really should get out more
Mikewsmith ..
It's not an assumption ..most people who follow the game would know that Didier Drogba was indeed a world class black footballer ..
As I previously mentioned ..its a loaded question which everyone being interviewed is aware of ..there are examples of black footballers answering the same question stating other black players as being "the longest in the shower" ..is that also racist ?
OK, then. Reese Hoffa. (There are many more examples, but I can't be bothered to look any up. Two will do for now!)
Didn't qualify for Rio, so you haven't come up with 2. You have come up with none. But clearly, if you can't be bothered and you are just looking to address specifics rather than the general point, then thanks for playing!
It's not an assumption ..most people who follow the game would know that Didier Drogba was indeed a world class [s]black[/s] [i]male[/i] footballer ..
The only time I've ever heard proper racist chanting at a match was years ago at an Engerland game at Wembley. Surprisingly it was a bunch of Chelsea fans, renowned as they usually are for their liberalism and all-inclusive tolerance
They barely got into their BNP inspired repertoire before the stewards booted them out
Anyone remember Oliver Skeete?
Aye. Anyone remember any other non- top-flight show jumpers from the same era? Thought not... that's because Skeete, as a black show jumper, was so anomalous that he became a household name.
There were even people claiming he wasn't making the GB team due to racism. No, it was because he was nowhere near good enough.
No need to re-quote and amend my post charlie boy ..I was making the point in a very non racist way that Didier Drogba was a black footballer as quite clearly mikewsmith was pretty clueless to the fact ..
Do you seriously think football terraces are the only places where people swear?
Has anyone claimed this? Can you name another public place where you hear chants about the size of peoples penises ? It is after all what we are discussing.
Also worth noting the player has asked them to stop including during the match when they sung it.
How about the old Liverpool chant about Robbie Keane...
He's fast,
he's red,
he talks like father Ted
Robbie Keane
Robbie Keane
Racist?
As far as I can see what was actually said was that it's not the only public place where people swear ( not chant or sing ).
I can think of quite a few ..on the street , in the pub , in the workplace ..etc..
Feefoo this is the reason for your observation.
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JY - get over yourself FFS!
Stand in any schoolyard for 5 minutes and you'd hear far worse. For gods sake, don't be going in any pubs. There's some frightful language being used in some of those places
Like I said, I doubt it'll last. Simply because as terrace chants go, it's just not a very good one
But everyone knows the best way to ensure its continuity is to make a fuss about it and tell everyone to stop singing it
hodgynd - Member
No need to re-quote and amend my post charlie boy ..I was making the point in a very non racist way that Didier Drogba was a black footballer as quite clearly mikewsmith was pretty clueless to the fact ..
I was at the home leg of this game back in 04 when I first heard about Drogba
https://www.uefa.com/uefaeuropaleague/season=2003/matches/round=1723/match=75423/index.html
Went on to score the goals to knock us out, was looking up flights to see if we could get out there. So yes I know about football.
Do you have the entire list of who's the longest? Is it always a black player? Is that the intent or did you pick one where it was.
Simple version for simple people
If you use an outdated stereotype or assumption that relies on race to answer the question guess what it's probably racist. The honest answer is not, that is factual.
Can you name another public place where you hear chants about the size of peoples penises ?
Yup pretty much where a group of men might be, it’s not uncommon.
Do you have the entire list of who's the longest?
I though they were talking about who spends the longest in the shower.
Watched a bit of MOTD last night with FIL
In the Tottenham match some black bloke was sent off and he was greeted with lots of people making "w@nker" signs and shouting at him to FO. Was that racism or just football?
Racists really don't like being told that they're being racist do they?!
Football has a real problem with racism still ime. A few years back when Stoke were in the Europe league or whatever it's called, I got given tickets to see them play Valencia. Spent an hour beforehand in the pub with a few Valencia fans (from memory I think that they brought 30!) Then spent the game in the same stand as them.... obviously not sat next to them because footy fans can't be trusted to sit next to each other. For the entire game all the meatheads surrounding me did nothing but shout racist abuse at the Valencia fans......never been to a match since.
??JY - get over yourself FFS!
What ??? I questioned your view is this not allowed now?what happens now is you answer with all the evidence to substantiate your view
SO all the school yards have songs far worse than about peoples penises ? Christ the schools of Manchester are far worse than I believe - you sure you are not just exaggerating a touch there becaus eyour point was a little weak?Stand in any schoolyard for 5 minutes and you'd hear far worse
I also tend to not defend things by going yes but school kids are even worse than that.
I have never experienced a song about a mans penis in a public place.Yup pretty much where a group of men might be, it’s not uncommon.
Mikewsmith
No & No..if you would like a simple answer ..
You still haven't answered the question that I posed though ..or do you just like to gloss over the questions you find to hard to answer ..by asking another ?
.. I'm almost embarrassed that you support the same team ..so do you still go or has the swearing & chanting that's been present in the ground throughout my lifetime driven you away?
So, Is it ok if I make up a song about jambalaya having a tiny penis?
His nob retracts, unlike his made-up facts, Jambalaya!
Can you name another public place where you hear chants about the size of peoples penises ?
Who is going to explain cock flavoured soup based innuendo to the children?
http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/i-have-never-seen-this-before
His nob retracts, unlike his made-up facts, Jambalaya!
STW post of the year 2017
Bravo
Your question was
As I previously mentioned ..its a loaded question which everyone being interviewed is aware of ..there are examples of black footballers answering the same question stating other black players as being "the longest in the shower" ..is that also racist ?
Is it a loaded question - it is if you assume it will be a black player, if you aim to get a certain answer then the question is racist. If they answer the question it isn't. The intent would have to come from the person who was coming up with it though.
The reason I don't go to Newcastle games is I live in Oz. We have problems with casual racism in sport here where kids are exposed to similar casual racism and start to repeat it without thinking.
I have never experienced a song about a mans penis in a public place.
So because you haven’t it doesn’t happen?
Drac - Moderator - Block User - Quotenothing to do with race.
Yeah, that's probably why the last 5 years of men's 100m finals have been so ethnically diverse
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No need to re-quote and amend my post charlie boy
Not at all
..I was making the point in a very non sexist way that Didier Drogba was a male footballer as quite clearly mikewsmith was pretty clueless to the fact ..probably
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..I was making the point in a very non sexist way that Didier Drogba was a male footballer as quite clearly mikewsmith was pretty clueless to the fact ..probably
didn't this all start by people making stupid assumptions?
I do find it funny that we're continually being told to celebrate diversity on one hand, and on the other that there are no differences between groups of people. I'm not expert on physiology but spend even a little time watching the Olympics and it become fairly obvious that black people are generally better runners than whites (other races are available) whereas white people are better swimmers than black. There will be exceptions, but as a general 'stereotype" it's obviously true. In fact most stereotypes become stereotypes because there is at least an element of truth to them.
Same goes for other aspects of life. A classical music orchestra will be comprised almost exclusively of European and Far Eastern musicians, as will the audience. Other types of music attract other audience make-ups. Similarly some bands will appeal far more to men, some to women. My black friends have a terrible taste in music. However they say the same about me, although to be honest so do most of my white friends.
My personal view is the fact the various races have their own strengths and weaknesses is one of the main things that has led to the world being so brilliantly diverse. If we were all the same things would be so bland. Think what food in the UK would be like if we hadn't had folk from other cultures bring us all their varied delicious cuisines. Loads of other examples too. It's not a case of one race (or gender or whatever) being better than another, just different in various ways.
As for the case mentioned, I don't really follow football, but it seems to me the footballer chap in question is hugely popular with the fans (who are probably a mix of races), and the fans in question are singing a light hearted song that I'm sure he finds hilarious. I get the impression there are people out there determined so see racism in the slightest things, which is quite sad really, and does no-one any favours.
I'm confused by the original controversy.
Is it racist to black males because it stereotypes them as being well endowed or is it racist against white males because it suggests they may not be as well endowed? Or is it racist to anyone offended by it because they are, well... offended by it?
With regards to the various sports dominated by one evolutionary trait over another, swimming is another example. I'm sure a lot of sports people develop in a particular sport as much to do with socio-economic reasons as physical reasons and a lot of [i]top[/i] sports people do tend to be from more developed countries where sport is better supported and funded. Equally, exceptional talents from less developed countries tend to be adopted into developed countries to further their journey to the top.
My personal view is the fact the various races have their own strengths and weaknesses is one of the main things that has led to the world being so brilliantly diverse.
Wholeheartedly agree.
Psling how the **** can a song/chant about a black footballer be racist against white people? 😯
My daughter isn't stupid, she can see when there's a noteworthy pattern or regularity to something. So why are they all black?
Quite possibly because many of the top runners, especially distance runners, come from Kenya and Ethiopia, and spend much of their time training and running at a higher altitude, which gives them a physiological advantage when competing at lower altitudes.
That’s my understanding, I could be wrong, but I’m sure the point was made at some event or other.
psling - Member
I'm confused by the original controversy.
Is it racist to black males because it stereotypes them as being well endowed or is it racist against white males because it suggests they may not be as well endowed? Or is it racist to anyone offended by it because they are, well... offended by it?
As said, it's making assumption that is the problem here, reinforcing stereotypes etc.
kennyp
...and it become fairly obvious that black people are generally better runners than whites
Interestingly, in sprint events and in long distance events yes but not so obviously in middle distance events eg 800m, 1500m (generalising too!)
As for the case mentioned, I don't really follow football, but it seems to me the footballer chap in question is hugely popular with the fans (who are probably a mix of races), and the fans in question are singing a light hearted song that I'm sure he finds hilarious. I get the impression there are people out there determined so see racism in the slightest things, which is quite sad really, and does no-one any favours.
Nail.Head.
When the bedwetters start piddling their pants with indignation about irrelevant, harmless nonsense like this, it actually just detracts from genuine racism and bigotry, of which unfortunately theres still plenty. Proper racism is nasty and malicious. This is neither of those things.
I think a lot of this particular storm in a teacup boils down to some people just having it drawn to their attention that people say things on football terraces that might cause someone to choke on their sauvignon blanc if repeated at a dinner party
My black friends have a terrible taste in music. However they say the same about me, although to be honest so do most of my white friends.
Which is likely cultural, not genetic.
My black friends have a terrible taste in music. However they say the same about me, although to be honest so do most of my white friends.
Which can quickly become an excuse to tarnish individuals with the idea that they have a propensity to criminality.
You'll be the first one complaining if AI facial recognition technology decides that you might be a bit more likely to disposed to a bit of noncing, in 2035.
Tom B - Member
Psling how the **** can a song/chant about a black footballer be racist against white people?
Well, it very much depends if the chant is meant to be supportive or derogatory of the player. If it's supportive then I'm sure it's not intended to be racist against the player so it's like mikewsmith says "[i]As said, it's making assumption that is the problem here, reinforcing stereotypes etc.[/i]
Woah ..Ive been away from this thread for 30 mins and things have been moving along ..
Thanks for the reply mikewsmith ..at least I now understand why you always answer in riddles and seem incapable of giving a straight answer ..quite why it didn't occur to me before ..
You live down under so it therefore follows that your head is up your arse ..not meaning in anyway to be remotely racist or derogatory to our antipodean cousins..
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