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FRRRRREEEEEEEEEDDDDDDDDDDOOOOOOOOOMMMMMMMMMMM!!!!!!!! 😉
We're there!!!!!
Yahoooooo
I feel slightly sick.
I'm ususally a pretty tollerant person, regardless of personal politics (I always think Goldie comes across really well and I will NEVER vote Torie), but cannot stand Eck, Swinney and Sturgeon, they just get my back up every time I see/hear them.
We're on the road to the "arc of prosperity".
Bugger.
Now for the Referendum.... 😀
[i]It is in truth not for glory, nor riches, nor honours that we are fighting, but for freedom -- for that alone, which no honest man gives up but with life itself.[/i]
Eck, Swinney and Sturgeon
agreed, I'd rather shit mysely than have to listen to any of them. In fact just watching the parliament in action gets my back up, comes across as amateur and useless...... if I had the choice I'd get rid of the Scottish Parliament all together!
If they get independance I'm outta here
legend - Member
...If they get independance I'm outta here
To Toryland?
Close the borders!
Switch to auxiliary power!
What do you mean there's no auxiliary power????
<knocks>
<waits>
I can hear giggling, but no-ones answering
Woohooooo. A medieval theme park to the north.
Look mummy. Look at the strange men in mud huts. Eating poo and beating each other to death with deep-fried pizza
Alba gu bràth
Freedom from what exactly?
Braveheart rhetoric doesn't fund public services or pay of Scotland's share of the national debt, sadly.
Woo-hoo! 😀
tory governments.Freedom from what exactly?
To Toryland?
to anywhere that'll have me!
If the borders are closed I'll just go on a calm night when the 100% renewable energy isn't producing enough for the search lights 😉
Working in the defence industry won't be a winner with those muppets in control
Arc of Prosperity here we (you) come!
Stu_N - Member
Freedom from what exactly?...
How about freedom to spend our national income paying off debt instead of increasing it by waging wars in other people's countries?
Last time you ran up some debt you had to sell your entire country to your nearest neighbour.
5thElefant - Member
Last time you ran up some debt you had to sell your entire country to your nearest neighbour.
You won't be able to afford us next time 🙂
Go on, google "Darien Adventure".
Compare and contrast to our recent banking misadventures.
When you belong to the 'arc of prosperity' there'll be no holding you back
The sun will start shining and everything, people will get healthier and maybe even have a greater life expectancy than Rwandans currently do
🙂
Stu_N - Member
Go on, google "Darien Adventure"...
I take it you mean the deliberate sabotaging of it by English financial and imperial interests.
I can understand why some English people who glory in an imperial past are upset about this election result. It is the knowledge that England was never a great power when it stood alone.
I take it you mean the deliberate sabotaging of it by English financial and imperial interests.
Do go on....
As I said, [i]most[/i] people understand that turning the clock back to 1314 doesn't solve anything 🙄
I can understand why some English people who glory in an imperial past are upset about this election result
TBH - the vast majority of English won't even know you've had a parliamentary election, let alone care what the result is
I certainly didn't know you were having one and I'm not that far South of the border
I take it you mean the deliberate sabotaging of it by English financial and imperial interests.I can understand why some English people who glory in an imperial past are upset about this election result. It is the knowledge that England was never a great power when it stood alone.
So, in this post you manage to criticize English Imperialism while at the same time complaining that the Scottish attempt at Imperialism was sabotaged. Presumably imperialism is only acceptable if it is initiated by people with anachronistically painted blue faces crying 'Freedom'
I take it you mean the deliberate sabotaging of it by English financial and imperial interests.
That was part of the problem, to be sure, but the Spanish weren't too keen on anyone setting up shop in their territory either (and why would any rival get one over them if they could easily avoid it).
The Darien Company wasn't well managed and Scotland simply wasn't strong enough to back it up when the going got tough.
What's the difference then between creating trade infrastructure and imperialism?
Quick invade Scotland now ... put them to hard labour. 😆
Have fun whingeing lads, I'm off to celebrate!
What's the difference then between creating trade infrastructure and imperialism?
The first is when we Brits did it & the second is when anyone else does it. The end result is pretty much the same.
Was Darien not an attempt to create a trade route rather than colonise a country?
molgrips, yes, which was kind of the problem.
The traditional model would be to colonise and either wipe out the natives or put them to work for you (not that there were many in Darien, being basically a malarial swamp), fortify and make it yours, then start making money out of it.
The traditional model would be to colonise and either wipe out the natives or put them to work for you
That's not what the British did though was it?
Have fun whingeing lads, I'm off to celebrate!
You're living the dream aren't you?
Any excuse for a lash up, but politics? really?
Its OK Margo has got in, sensibility is in there, the only MSP Id ever actually believe.
On the independence thing, IF Scotland is such a drain on the UK/England/Home Counties then why does the UK Parliament take these opportunities to aid the cause of independence? I really dont know who gets the best financial deal out of the U, but if I was a UK/English MP and I had even the slightest chance to get rid of something that is a financial and ??? millstone I would take every chance to get rid of it.
There was an interesting interview earlier on the radio where the caller said that the only MSP they would believe would be the tories because they are thought of so lowly that they would have no need to lie
That's not what the British did though was it?
Yes we did ...it was not done for altruistic reasons and any benefit to the locals was an accidental by product of our wish to exploit their resources
Essential we set up private companies to manage the colonies the most famous being the East India Company* and Hudson bay company but there were many others largely [certainly initiallyin the caribbeas] founded on using lsaves till we diversified intot trading in slaves.
How would you like to describe this? Probably socialist knowing you 😉
* lets not get into a complicated deabte about the East india company which originally started trading but ended up overseeing the country after some wars/time etc.
Certain to be a refenrendum now in Scotland ...wonders if birth certificate will allow me a vote
When the Lib/Dems and Labour support a free Scotland, their voters will return.
Most of the lib dem and labour votors I've met up here have absolutely no interest in being independant.
Most of the lib dem and labour votors I've met up here have absolutely no interest in being independant.
You could probably include a reasonable proportion of SNP voters in that even.
The issue isn't one of being pro-independence, but about being focused on Scotland. The main parties are seen as being too tied to what their parents UK parties want - that could be seen clearly in some of their campaigning.
If Scotland Village did get independance it would be amusing sitting back with a cuppa and watching it all unfold. The SNP panicing that Salmond can't be a minster for everything, and PM's question time with arguments over the colour of road markings and if to drive on the right like Iceland.
a free Scotland
Mel Gibson's legacy lives on 😆
The difference this time is that voters all over Scotland woke up and realised that voting for a red rosette, just because that's what your Father did, isn't compulsory. Many have realised that there are now just too many similarities between Labour and Tory. Faced with a similar choice in England, many would have taken the same decision.
lab/lib dem voters are now in the minority though.Most of the lib dem and labour votors I've met up here have absolutely no interest in being independant.
lab/lib dem voters are now in the minority though
Now? Lab/lib dem voters were in the minority at the last election. I'm assuming Con voters are also anti-independence - the majority of people actually still voted for Lab/Lib Dem/Con. Good old PR, where 45% of the vote gets you an overall majority.
Good old PR, where 45% of the vote gets you an overall majority.
It's a little surprising, given Labour designed the Scottish system to ensure the SNP could never have a mjority.
Based on the consituency results that 45% of the vote would have got the SNP over 70% of the seats in first past the post...