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They work out better in the UK. The MT2 I use is 60GBP, vs 80EUR in Spain – ie same price as last year’s Inov8
That's what I mean, for the same price you could get last year's Innov8... They're cheap, but it's not like other Decathlon products where the difference in VFM is huge.
It's worth going to the outlet shops as sometimes you can drop on a bargain.
Visited Castleford last week and almost had a pair of my favoured road Shoes (Adios) but they were just too small (£90 off list price and about £50 off general retail price at £41) but I did manage to pick up a pair of Nike Terra Kiger 5 for light trail duties (they are rubbish in thick mud) for £40. The Nike site has them on sale currently at £80. I've had the 2's and 3's so know they are pretty decent.
First outing today and seem pretty good and familiar although they do seem to have better grip than the last pair I had so happy with that.
It's a bit of pot luck whether they have anything suitable in your size, I've been before and come away empty handed, but got lucky this time and it was the only pair I could see in the shop and it was my preferred size.
Feeling a bit glum as I've definitely got runner's knee and am set to do a half marathon in three weeks.
I was totally fine doing regular 10km runs but when I got up to about 13km the pain would come on. And it's still lingering eight days after my last run.
I suspect I might need orthotics to correct my wonky legs so I can run further, so plan to see a sport physio next week if poss.
Should I be so pessimistic about making the event I'm booked on?
Penultimate run of C25K done, although I'm doing my own thing really now. I have the app running to log the run but that's it.
7.03km / 4.37 miles
43:36 moving time
6.12 /km / 9:58 /mile average pace
Oh and my slowest 5k time of 30+ minutes 😁🤣
I'm going to be doing a longer, slower run once a week so started today, went out with a physical hard turn around point I wanted to get to, part way there was feeling good so carried on! I was feeling pretty good at the end, too - I could have gone to 8 or 9, maybe even 10K. The hip flexors were aching a bit at the end though. Average cadence was 160, but upping the pace a little I was able to get closer to 170.
first run back on my standard hilly 5k loop from home for 10 weeks. 28:42 against 25:49min PB.
I'll take that for nearly 10 weeks off running.
Good stuff Jam bo mate, being injured is shit.
Well done Ta11pau1 too!.
@cha****ng you'll definitely get round! Whether you'll be happy or not with your time is another thing. I was ailing before a lot of races last year but as it was my first season of running I didn't really care about the times.
Did my first trail run today since the sprain, rather aptly to the place it happened! Predictably, was running really gingerly as I depserately tried not to roll it again. Perfect circumstances for a repeat really, so turned and headed for home after 4k.
@cha****ng you’ll definitely get round! Whether you’ll be happy or not with your time is another thing. I was ailing before a lot of races last year but as it was my first season of running I didn’t really care about the times.
Thanks, I am reasonably confident I have the fitness to do it anyway and I'm not that fussed about my time, but the knee pain comes on quite quickly after 13k or so and can get bad - which means the latter half could be quite unpleasant.
Anyway, I'm booked to see a physio Monday eve. Hopefully they can screen me for mechanical defects and even supply a remedy.
well done tau11pau1 for the C25k - but a warning: I started with that one about 20 years ago, and here I am doing ultras now 🙂
And good luck chakaping, injuries are a right PITA. Ibuprofen and ice will get you through the half, but long term I'd be looking into weights, getting your cadence up (180 is a good target), and making sure your form is reasonable. I'm not a fan of motion-control shoes or whatever, staying light on your feet seems far more effective. But of course YMMV, and I'd certainly follow whatever the physio says as a first option.
well done tau11pau1 for the C25k – but a warning: I started with that one about 20 years ago, and here I am doing ultras now 🙂
I couldn't even imagine running a marathon, let alone an ultra! I started C25K to keep my fitness up over winter (which I'm glad I did, haven't been on the bike for a month!) but I'll definitely be continuing afterwards. I'll probably try and make my first parkrun on the 21st March (first Saturday off) and then work on increasing my distances and 5k time 🙂
The running bug has hit me for sure! I helps that the vast majority of friends/colleagues could barely run to the end of the street, makes me feel a happy that I'm doing something to keep in shape.
I couldn’t even imagine running a marathon, let alone an ultra!
I was the exact same as you 2 years ago, 5 ultras down now.... 🤣
What we all up to this weekend?
16 or 18 miles with a parkrun in the middle for me tomorrow and then 5 miles Saturday to get me to 45 for the week.
This is all assuming my hamstring holds up as it was pinging a bit on Wednesday night club run.
A spot of what I think I'm going to call 'runtaineering' tonight. Up and down a couple of easy winter routes on Cairngorm in a sort of hill running style. Splendid fun and nice to get something in before it craps out tomorrow.
Ibuprofen and ice will get you through the half,
Ibuprofen has been linked to some marathon deaths.
Extra strain on kidneys that are already working hard.
Have a Google, I'm not expert.
Seems safer to use paracetamol in small dose if running long distance and save the Ibuprofen for recovery days.
Ibuprofen has been linked to some marathon deaths.
I thought it was more an issue in ultras. I'm not aware of any evidence of harm to kidneys in shorter races or any deaths due to kidney issues where ibuprofen use had been shown to contribute.
Aye, well known in ultra circles, less so in shorter races.
Week 9, run 3 of couch to 5k - the final run. I've 'officially' completed it!
5.64km / 3.5 miles
31:11 minutes
5:32 /km / 8:54 /mile average pace
5k time was a comfortable 27:33
Really happy I've done this and surprised at just how comfortable I am running 5k now, I even managed to get my cadence up to 165 average on this run, it was over 165 for a good 2/3rds too.
So, what next? 10k and trying to get my 5k time down I reckon. 1x 5k run at 'tempo' (so I think about 5:15 /km for me, will do some reading up), 1x hill repeat session, and 1x longer, slower run - starting at 6k going from there 😁
2 runs in three days with no massive after effects. Ankle is sore while running but seems to settle down after.
Gave it a good test today...
Well I've been off this thread for a while cos I've not been running... MrsMonkey, MiniMonkey and I have been tag-teaming being ill for months, plus the weather's been minging and I've not managed to get out. Was meant to be biking today, but that got scuppered due to MrsMonkey being poorly; I downgraded to taking the BMX down the skatepark but then it started to rain.
I nearly sacked it all off for sitting at home getting fatter like I have been doing for the last few months, opened up STW and saw this thread. 'Right', I thought. 'Time to stop procrastinating'. Got my running kit on and went out for a couple of miles.
Wheezed my way around in 9.50 miles which is atrociously slow compared to folk on here, but I ran (jogged) it and felt a lot better for it.
All I need to do now is get back into the habit of at least a couple of times a week.
Been watching this thread for a while. Was really starting to enjoy running and feeling comfy at the 10k mark. However had some serious knee problems the last few months. Really harsh knee pain when I lift my leg when running. Get the same pain when climbing down ladders/stairs in work and riding is becoming a problem too. My knee just seems to randomly buckle with sharp shooting pains which sucks!
Physio thinks it’s meniscus, got some quad strengthening exercises used to do but it’s killing me now being able to get out!
Anyone had similar?
Will try and keep up with the thread now!
Mark, I had a buckling knee a while back. Accompanied by shooting pains down the outside of the calf. The knee wouldn't fully bend either, couldn't crouch properly for example.
Physio seemed to think it was an aggravated popliteal muscle, pressing on the tibial nerve. Prescribed neurodynamics exercises to ease the nerve as it passes through the knee. It has improved, not fully though. Twinges after running and after not moving for a while.
Jambo, looks ideal for the ankle. I ran today, 12k but mostly walking tbh. The roots and rocks made me nervous about rolling the ankle again, and the contouring was just miserable so I just walked the last few k. Trying to keep on top of the rehab exercises but despairing at the fitness that's gone down the pan.
How did you get on Spin in the Cairngorms? Mostly decent conditions at the weekend (was up Sunday/Monday)
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Great pics @eastcoastmike
Was getting despondent about the ankle and ran the 10k lunchtime loop around work (hilly) which I used to do when I first started running. Knocked 3min off my PB, so while I've lost loads of fitness, I'm still a bit faster than when I started 😅
Went to physio Monday, definitely had runner's knee.
Painful massage eased things off considerably and my prescribed exercises seem to be working well.
Two weeks since I last ran, but will do 20 mins or so on the treadmill tomorrow lunch as an initial test.
First day of the rest of my running life today, a nice easy 7k in 43 minutes - which was both 10 seconds /km faster and at the same or less effort than my 7k run on Friday!
The only thing I getting is some sore hip flexors starting after about 4k, I'm putting that down to me increasing my cadence and doing longer runs, meaning more steps. They're nowhere near as bad as after the last 7k run though.
I may do some hill repeats tomorrow after work... 😳
Still in pain, crashed at risca riding last week so that’s slowed my progress with knee rehab (kneehab?!) got physio Saturday so hoping he can magic it better!
I’m kind of glad for all the bad weather we’ve had as running hasn't been on top priority. Want to get back out, might try some light trail stuff next week if the knee feels ok
Playing with shoes recently.
I’ve always run in “normal” running shoes, Nike Pegasus, Asics Cumulus, that kind of thing, good, cushioned training shoes.
I thought I’d treat myself to some “racing” shoes, and as I can’t afford/justify Vaporfly’s thought I’d go old skool and get some flats, Nike Streaks.
And wow, they feel amazing! Not sure I’d want to run a marathon in them but they felt so fast, so light and my speed compared to perceived effort was good too.
My shoe habit was bad enough already, this discovery along with a recent dalliance in track work is not going to help my bank balance.
How did you get on Spin in the Cairngorms?
I did the Twin Ribs into Fiacaill Ridge, down Coire Domhain, up Serrated Rib and down Aladdin's Couloir if those names mean anything to you? Sort of easy winter climbing in a hill running style.
Didn't get any photos as nice as yours though!
Ibuprofen and ice will get you through the half
Sorry,should have been clearer with that comment - I didn't mean during the race itself, I meant in the run up to it. As has been pointed out there is a risk in taking it during long sustained efforts.
Anyway this weekend I'm not sure what I'll be doing - I'd normally be arranging to meet up with mates, but with the coronavirus most of us are trying to limit social events, which means running with company is probably out of the question. So I'll probably head off to one of the local hills - enough climbing to make it worthwhile, but not as risky as heading out solo in the mountains.
I have just had confirmation from the organiser that Saturdays Haworth Hobble 32 mile Ultra will be going ahead as planned.
FFS...
Yorkshire three Peaks fell race now rescheduled for the day after the Three Peaks CX. Interesting for people like me who like to do both!
D33 ultra in Aberdeen is going ahead as planned tomorrow, although I'll be restricting 'physical contact' between runners and among the event team as much as possible.
Unfortunately, we've felt obliged to cancel the Highland Fling ultra in late April. With almost a thousand runners doing 53 miles and a very large event team, it's simply impossible to operate an event of that complexity and scale safely in this climate. There is no way to avoid having many hundreds of people in the same space in that sort of event structure. We'll be back next year..
I still hope to have both the Cateran and West Highland Way races go ahead, along with a handful of smaller Highland races this summer. However, it is possible that any of these may have to go if we cannot reasonably reduce risks in the way that we structure every aspect of the organisation.
As for Ibuprofen, I'd respectfully ask all runners to do their best to avoid the product altogether. Occasional, brief use for an acute problem well away from days of hard exertion is quite low risk but as the use becomes more frequent, risks rise significantly. Complicating rhabdomyolysis in sick ultra athletes is only one aspect and I've had to treat dozens of runners in partial or complete kidney failure over the years. Ibuprofen slows down fracture healing significantly (a bit of a blow if you're trying to repair your metatarsal micro-fractures) and also has cardiac impacts that link significant lifetime use with an increased risk of heart failure. It's that simple. This stuff is dangerous and it might even struggle to get an over the counter licence if it were to be introduced today.
QECP races are still being run... which is nice.
All UK parkrun's still happening too.
I'm planning a long-ish solo run, RDing at parkun whilst trying to keep everyone a few metres away from me and then a long run home too.
Then a birthday party, and who knows how that will go...!
All UK parkrun’s still happening too.
I was wondering this - however I think my local one may actually be cancelled again as the ground is still a mess after all the rain. They ran it last weekend and it was bearable, but we've had a load more rain again this week 🙁
I was wondering this – however I think my local one may actually be cancelled again as the ground is still a mess after all the rain. They ran it last weekend and it was bearable, but we’ve had a load more rain again this week
I'm the Event Director at Dudley and I'm normally reluctant to cancel unless really needed, but I have to say if it had been raining all week I would have been seriously looking at it. However, a dry week and a lot of people asking me to keep it on means we'll be going ahead unless parkun HQ tell us otherwise overnight.
Starting to resign myself to Jura not happening, it puts a lot of people from all over in very close proximity for a whole weekend.
Spin, some nice climbs, though one man's "easy winter climbing" is another mans (well this one's) teetering upward cautiously holding on for dear life, I'm definitely no climber 🙂
London Marathon postponed to October according to the BBC.
@spin I'm thinking along the same lines too. Typical, my first year being really organised with races entries, and booking weekends etc... Ah well.
Today was one of those perfect runs, bit sketchy (read ice axe and crampons would have been nice) but huge fun, and what a morning.
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Bloody lovely pics there, very jealous.
Hill repeats for me today, my first ever set.
Local hill of 200m and between 4-8% grade, 60 seconds or so at between 4:44-5:15 /km pace, total of 5.5km with the 1.5km warm up/down runs before and after.
Didn't throw up, which was good! My HR only went up to 150bpm from the recovery walk down the hill where it was down to 110-120bpm, was expecting it to be up into the 160/s at least - but I think I need a longer effort to get it that high - my legs were gone well before my HR was getting really high.
@ta11pau1 - what are you measuring HR on? I found my optical wrist sensor rubbish for short fast stuff (wouldn’t get about 150bpm for a flat-out park run) but seemed ok for longer stuff (would be up to 180+ on a longer fell run). Got a chest strap thingy (after advice in this thread) and much more consistent...
I'm using the optical garmin sensor, I do also have a chest strap - however I manually checked my HR when walking back down the hill and it was showing as 119, I counted 30 beats in 15 seconds so it was accurate at that point.
I'll do the next run wearing the HRM chest strap and compare.
Although my HR on the hill repeats is what I'd normally see for a short effort, I can get up to 170 easily on the bike when climbing but only after a good few minutes of sustained effort.
Garmin optic sensor is utter bollocks for activities, Fine for resting hr.
Was at the gym this week, forgot my chest strap, on the step machine for 100 floors as a warm up before strength session, garmin has me at 75bpm. The sweat was dripping off my eyelids. 🤣
Chest strap would have had me over 150bpm.
When descending on mtb, optic sensor has me off the scale too.
Yeah that doesn't sound right - mine has been good when running though - mtb is another matter, the bumps and constant jolts mean it'll be crap.
I'll try the strap too (wonder if it can output both to the screen?) but I'm not expecting it to be too far off.
Na, it'll only use and show one signal, as it calculates other stuff using hr input.
You also have to disable wrist hr before it will pick up chest strap.
Yeah didn't think it would do.
I don't think my watch is inaccurate, I think I was just expecting my HR to be a lot higher at the end of each interval - my breathing certainly was!!
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It does well and you can see the warm up run, 6x hill repeats (the first one starts with a higher HR than the others) and then the run home.
75bpm when the sweat is running off your head though, that's not right 😁 I know optical sensors can vary wildly from person to person.
Well just over 40 (slow) km this week so the ankle is on the mend. Far from 'reet' though.
Wondering how many of the FRA's 50 at 50 races will go ahead. As we're now locked down in Spain, I've rather written off Newlands at Easter as my 2nd consecutive DNS although maybe all this will have blown over by then!
This stuff is dangerous
Sorry, totally ignorant of this. You'd recommend total avoidance? If so, what pain killer?
Well I did 3km on the treadmill fine on Thurs, so went out for my first proper run for two weeks today.
Felt sluggish but okay, until about 7km when the knee started to twinge again. Headed home and stopped at 8.6km. Knee flaring up going down the stairs after.
Been doing the physio religiously but I think I can forget the half marathon next Sunday, in the increasingly unlikely event that it goes ahead.
It would be interesting to hear about others' recovery from runner's knee.
75bpm when the sweat is running off your head though, that’s not right 😁 I know optical sensors can vary wildly from person to person.
Aye, that was the worst I've seen it. Just out for a run there, it's fairly similar to yours up there, trends are the right shape, but it's consistently 15-20 high.
8 minute miles would be 140-145bpm on both chest strap and gym machines, over 160 on watch.
I hurt myself today... </Johnny Cash>
The Haworth Hobble. 32 miles over moors above Haworth. I did it last year as prep for the Joss Naylor so I was pretty fit then. It was tough but I did ok and enjoyed it. This year I had nowt to aim for, wasn’t really sure why I even entered it and I’m a less fit and more injured. I was a bit surprised that it went ahead given how many events are cancelled due to Coronavirus and I very nearly didn’t attend myself for that very reason. Anyhoo, after a lot of soul searching I decided to go for it and try to be as safe as I could.
Long story short - I got round. Not got official time but was over 6 1/2 hours. I was really hurting from about half way and it was a struggle to finish. I think that might be my last Ultra. I was satisfied finishing but there was little pleasure in it. I think I am now just too old and injured for this game now. No complaints, just being realistic.
I was meant to do my first 10k tomorrow but it was cancelled today. Gaar.
The last one til next year @mrsparkle
Well done for digging in
Are you talking about ibuprofen @del? I got a bollocking on here for using it in a fell race. Banned in Scottish events iirc.
I had no idea, I'd actually never taken it before in my life, it was a last resort.
Half Marathon near me went ahead with modifications. 1hr 56min . Have not run for 4 weeks so pleased with that.
Banned in Scottish events iirc.
I don't think there's any sort of official policy. I think it tends to be based on how different race organisers feel about it.
I've seen everything from no mention, through 'be aware' to 'we'll disqualify on health and safety grounds'.
It poses more of a risk in longer ultra events so they're more likely to take a hard line.
Does anyone use an arm band HRM? If so how do you find it for accuracy compared to a chest strap?
Bob, yes. It's not a regular occurrence but I might take profen on the morning of a ride after a few too many beers the night before. ( I'm a serious athlete, me!)
Am I setting myself up for real problems?
Am I setting myself up for real problems?
I'm not convinced you are. There's evidence that ibuprofen is not great in certain circumstances but nothing I know about occasional use. TBH the beers are probably more of an issue. 🙂
The problem with NSAIDS such as ibuprofen mainly relates to rhabdomyolysis which is a precursor to kidney failure and death. It's more of an issue in ultras.
However pain is your bodies way of telling you to stop doing something that is causing damage. Anything that blocks pain during exercise is generally a bad idea regardless of duration.
@ lotto The arm mounted HRM I tried was absolutely useless. The reading was pretty random and would change significantly if I moved the position slightly. It was generally difficult to tell whether it was working till the data was reviewed later. When it wasn't working the reading might be 10-20 beats out at rest, and would be very slow to change or update. The error would increase at higher heart rates. Also the hrm would often move if I wore clothes with sleeves. Tightening the strap did not help.
Having said that the reason i got it was because chest straps are also poor unless you are hot and sweaty. Trying to base train to maffetone heart rate in a scottish winter is difficult as you don't sweat enough.
I also find that static from technical t shirt fabrics can affect the reading on chest straps.
I suspect that arm based hrm's may also be better in warmer conditions as the veins are nearer to the surface of the arm when hot.
So cycling looks like it will be banned. Do we reckon running will too?
^^^
Source?
Italy and Spain. Only natural UK will follow.
See the injury A&E thread
25k for me today. That’s 8k longer than my longest run this year due to a variety of circumstances. Tried to keep it at Z2 and the average Hr was 138, so at 5:30/km I'm fairly happy.
So cycling looks like it will be banned. Do we reckon running will too?
If you mean events will be cancelled or postponed then that's already happening.
I don't think anyone is talking about stopping people going out cycling or running are they?
I'd be interested in how Spain etc are dealing with the "outdoor activity" side of things? Lots of information on the general lock down, closure of shops etc but what about heading out into the countryside for a run etc? Surely no risk as it's all about social distancing and I don't like running where there are lots of other people 😉
Some mates have been out in Majorca over the weekend for a warmer weather cycling trip.
They were told yesterday by local police that cycling was not possible and they must return to their accommodation, so it seems that is actively being discouraged in Spain at least.
Most of the winter I've been troubled by a phleghm problem, regularly hacking into the road as I run.
I'm gonna get ****ing lynched aren't I?
I have the same concern Chakaping.
With my asthma I often cough quite a lot after I’ve exercised, always have. I’ve suddenly got very self conscious that now when I finish a run I’m red faced, with a runny nose due to the temperature and having a coughing fit.
Weirdly people don’t want to be around me!
I’d be interested in how Spain etc are dealing with the “outdoor activity” side of things? Lots of information on the general lock down, closure of shops etc but what about heading out into the countryside for a run etc?
It's banned, full stop. Also my health insurance (as a member of a federated club) is null and void for the duration, so if something did happen I'd quite possibly end up with a large medical bill on top of any possible fine for breaking the lockdown. (And @alanf your mates were lucky - they could quite easily have been hit with a 600€ fine each!)
Thank god I've got a turbo trainer!
The whole attitude to sports is different in Spain and Italy. Their entire system is set up to view sport as a health risk.
Even without corona virus measures you are not allowed to participate in sports events without medical sign off to prove that you are fit, just in case you die of a heart attack. If you are deemed unfit, you can't take part.
In contrast the nhs recognises that exercise brings huge health benefits which outweigh the risks. It actively encourages participation with initiatives like couch to 5k and promotion of park run.
First ride on a bike for 6 weeks this morning, 10 mile commute to work which includes a 500ft climb - that was a lot easier than normal!
Seems this running lark is paying off! 😁
The whole attitude to sports is different in Spain and Italy. Their entire system is set up to view sport as a health risk.
Even without corona virus measures you are not allowed to participate in sports events without medical sign off to prove that you are fit, just in case you die of a heart attack. If you are deemed unfit, you can’t take part.
That's a massive exagerration and incorrect (at least in Spain) - outside of ultras you don't have to get a medical sign off for any race I've done, and that includes triathlons, MTB, road and running.
Physio has suggested I start running again. Advice suggested a couple of runs at 1 mile or so each then building from there. I miss it! A mile is better than nothing I guess!
Ibuprofen & all NSAID use has been banned in Scottish ultras for several years and is discouraged in general in other distance running events.
Football training advice is beginning to recognise the problem at last but cycling seems to be slow to catch on as yet.
At any of the main Scottish ultras, if you are found to be in possession of any such products, you will be removed from the event unless you have prior approval from the event team medic.
Outwith exercise, the comments above are accurate; best avoided and lifetime regular use, for say arthritic problems or repeated injuries does increase your risk of worsening heart problems. Once you recognise the list of issues and contra-indications it's best avoided altogether.
You may use paracetamol at races but again, if you're that sore to really need it, should you be running..? That's a decision only you can make.
Jura cancelled. Gutted.
On the other had, had a superb run on Saturday, doing all the Grahams (2,000ft to 2,500ft) around Luss (17 miles + 9,300ft of climbing) Not one single path. Hard going, but it was awesome. Did it in just under 6 hours in winter conditions, poor vis and a few nav errors. Reckon there is an hour to be saved come summer.
Route here: https://www.strava.com/activities/3182417361
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Only issue we had, well, we actually missed the 5th Graham by about 200m. Pretty annoying to see that in the pub at the end ha! Another reason to go back and do it though.
Hopefully common sense will prevail. For instance running or riding solo early morning or in the evening should limit contact with others.
How could they stop people who run/ride to work anyway? Getting on packed bus or train would be far worse.
@mogrim I've only taken part in ultras and sky running events in spain and italy, but was under the impression that the requirement for medical sign off was much more general than that with heart defects in footballers, being one of the major concerns.
Maybe Spain and Italy are different.
I don’t think my watch is inaccurate, I think I was just expecting my HR to be a lot higher at the end of each interval – my breathing certainly was!!
So, I may have to take that back...
Tracked my 10 mile ride to and from work today with both my forerunner 245 and my wahoo tickr chest strap (connected to my wahoo bolt). It wasn't a rought ride, was 98% tarmac so no more bumpy than running.
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There's some (most!) bits where I'm at 150+bpm and the garmin is at 120, or less. I thought it might have been due to it being 2-3 degrees, but on the way home, it was the same - constantly about 20bpm under the chest strap, and not keeping up with the spikes in HR.
On the plus side, my wahoo tickr chest strap will connect to both watch and gps at the same time so that's a bonus when riding. I'll use the tickr strap for running from now on.
All parkrun's in the UK now cancelled until early April.