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Sensible advice cheers chaps.


 
Posted : 14/10/2019 1:01 pm
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Don't know; it's about the only thing I haven't had.

Well, in injury news, after 1.5 months off with nerve pain in the leg, I managed a bit of trotting today. Have been walking to work a few times a week (12km) and it seemed to help. Today mixed in a bit of gentle jogging, no more than 2 or 3k total in 5 min chuncks, initially pain-free but after a while the nerve started to twang again. Still, happy for now as the last few weeks even a few paces of running has eluded me.


 
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Thanks to @sockpuppet for the Oxford Half entry this weekend, so felt I should do a little race report. Was a minor logistics operation getting the ticket collection sorted as I couldn't make it to Oxford on the Saturday but a little search of Instagram of others doing it and some messages sent off and I had a willing (if somewhat random) volunteer. I had ran Cheltenham Half 2 weeks previous and it had been going great till 16km when I blew up spectacularly (bonked), I have put this down to a night of boozing the night before and not enough food/fueling. Very poor preparation and I was annoyed with myself even though I managed a 1:30:40 PB.

Slow parkrun done Saturday as a warm up. Weather for Sunday was looking less than ideal. Got to the rather muddy venue and had to hang around longer than anticipated as the person who had collected my ticket was running rather late. It also turned out that you could collect your race number there even though all info I found said this wasn't possible. After a minor panic she turned up and it was a long ish dash to the start pens. Thankfully @sockpuppet had put himself in the 1:30 pen however I spotted the pacer in the one infront so I covertly nipped under the tape and joined the B area.

I set off and dodged through a bit of traffic and plenty of puddles and started to settle into my 4:05 pace, I managed to find another runner to sit with who was doing the same pace which I always prefer vs running on my own. One idiot came running up the inside at one point and seemingly splashing through every puddle possible and soaking quite a few of us. The race was really well supported considering the conditions. Half way in and the heavens really started to open while running along a closed section of carriageway, absolutely torrential rain. It didn't really bother me, I was fairly zone'd in by now apart from the sleeves on my running top needing the occasional squeeze out of water! At this point my unintended running partner started to drop off so back running on my own. 16km came up and I was still feeling good as this was where I had blown up previously, I did my best to restrain myself and not get carried away. I said to myself I can start uping the pace at 18km. Legs still feeling fine I rain a 3:51 and continued with sub 4 kms to the end and finished with a sprint to the line with a chip time of 1:26:02, 138th overall of about 6750 finishers and 24th in the 30-34 category.


 
Posted : 14/10/2019 3:04 pm
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@chakaping, plantar fasciitis is a funny old beast, I've had a couple of bouts, and I have found rest to actually be counter-productive. Lots of rolling of the heel on a hard ball, and calf stretches got mine under control and finally banished.

York marathon this weekend, and I happen to be featured on page 47 of the race magazine! However, I don't stand much chance of winning as there is also a Kiwi international running, Paul Martelletti, with a marathon PB of 2:16... I'm hoping to be able to sit on his shoulder for a reasonable distance and hopefully my company will encourage him not to drop me too early!


 
Posted : 14/10/2019 3:51 pm
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Right then folks, as London's application was once again unsuccessful, I need an April or May marathon to enter. Requirements are:
Relatively big event, I like big city marathons.
UK based
Fast ish course, hills are fine but I don't want a really tough one
Err, that's it.

Initial thoughts are Liverpool rock 'n' roll marathon, Manchester again or Brighton.

Any further suggestions or thoughts on the above?


 
Posted : 14/10/2019 4:29 pm
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Any use?
https://www.boltonmarathon.com/


 
Posted : 14/10/2019 4:37 pm
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How busy/big is it Mr Sparkle? I did a small marathon this year (Worcester) and found it really hard as there were no spectators and no real encouragement on the route. A bit of noise helps me keep going.


 
Posted : 14/10/2019 4:39 pm
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Bolton was one of the first UK mara's. Really huge at the time. Had celebs like, er, Jimmy Savile doing it. Next year will be the first time they have organised it for years and years. They are pushing it massively and I think it will be very well supported as the Ironman UK is.


 
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I did Liverpool in 2017, they run a 10k, half and full on same day. Fairly standard city course, a couple of longish drags but nothing too steep, the final 4 miles along the river are not the most pleasant end to a Marathon, pretty straight, no support and it seems to go on forever, the headwind didn't help. Bit of a mixed bag support wise, the actual town centre and some of the parks had good support, other parts not so much.

From memory there were less than 3000 runners doing the full. Overall I enjoyed it and would run it again.


 
Posted : 14/10/2019 5:16 pm
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I am tempted by the Bolton marathon and it's pretty good value too. Certainly seems a bargain when compared to the Leeds Abbey Dash in a couple of weeks - £27.04 (including the rip off booking fee) for a bloody 10k! Arse to that - I'll get up at the same time that I would have to get up to get to Leeds and just go for a much longer run around Harrogate.


 
Posted : 14/10/2019 5:28 pm
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Need some new trail shoes, mostly for Urban Orienteering (on/offroad mix) and the odd trot round the woods.

Been using Adidas Kandida 7's which are dying, I bit stiff for harder surfaces and not great for my over-pronation - also fairly narrow and shallow.

Any recommendations?

I know going to a good running shop is probably the right thing to do, but they all seem to lack options when it come to Trail shoes.


 
Posted : 14/10/2019 6:14 pm
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Do you need full off-road shoes moff? I ask as I do a lot of similar running to that and now use road shoes as they're fine on hardpack and in the woods and only really struggle when it's really muddy.

The Nike Shield range is a good compromise, they offer a bit of water resistance, a slightly aggressive sole and work well for mixed terrain. I use Decahtlon/Kalenji shoes off-road but they are too stiff for any distance on the road.


 
Posted : 14/10/2019 6:40 pm
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Aye, I'd go road shoe probably, I like to keep the proper off roaders for hill races and ultras.

I know a lot of folk frown up on goretex shoes, but I like goretex road shoes in winter, puddles everywhere, keep feet dry and thus less blister/toenail issues.

Asics gel pulse 11 bought last week for the next few months wet road duties, had the gel pulse 9, these seem just as good.


 
Posted : 14/10/2019 6:47 pm
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I do most of this running over the winter and know from experience that road shoes aren't up to the job.

Also the local Parkrun is offroad so a trail shoe would give me a good option for this too.


 
Posted : 14/10/2019 7:03 pm
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I'm very pleased today as after returning to running following a break of 20 years and doing a 5km in 29.17 on 5th March 2018, I dropped below 22 minutes with a 21.46 today. My goal for 2019 was sub 22 so now a new target of sub 21.30 by the end of the year. For a slightly overweight 47 year old I'm very happy.


 
Posted : 14/10/2019 7:43 pm
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Got a bit of plantar fasciitis going on here too. Hard to say if it’s due to new shoes or a bit more running - maybe both. It’s irritating at the moment rather than being disabling and calf stretching and rolling ball under foot/heel seems to be keeping it at bay.

I’m planning a bit more riding and less running over the next couple of weeks to see if that has any effect.


 
Posted : 14/10/2019 9:03 pm
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rolling ball under foot/heel seems to be keeping it at bay.

I was advised to roll a frozen water bottle under my foot and it was like magic when I was suffering badly.

I will see about doing 2.5km to test the feet out this week, then do more if that's OK.

Surprised I haven't had any other running ailments really, but maybe because I only ever do about 30 or 40 mins.


 
Posted : 14/10/2019 9:24 pm
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Anyone else doing the beachy head 10K/marathon at the end of the month?
Ran a 48:57 10K last year, looking to match that at least this year, but I haven't been doing a lot of training so it could be interesting :/


 
Posted : 14/10/2019 9:49 pm
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Diz, superb mate, well done!.

Moff, fair enough, you know the terrain fella. I only eventually buy asics, as I like the fit, and can buy online.

Fujitrabuco 7 are awesome trail shoes, not heavy and comfier than my road shoes, in fact comfier than any running shoe I've ever had. So much so, they're now my go to hill walking shoe too...

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Posted : 14/10/2019 9:53 pm
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Lunge, assuming you don't mind only the first 5% actually being in the city, Edinburgh is an option! Depending on the weather it can be very fast too. I'm doing it next year, a month after London and the day before the Vitality 10k 🙂


 
Posted : 15/10/2019 9:21 am
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Lunge, assuming you don’t mind only the first 5% actually being in the city, Edinburgh is an option!

Mrs Lunge did Edinburgh this year and had a terrible time. The city bit was great but the seafront bit was horribly exposed and getting back to the city after the run was also a mission. Not one to be repeated.
Debating Bolton I think, seems an interesting option.


 
Posted : 15/10/2019 9:42 am
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Anyone doing the Fell Relays on Saturday? Helby Vets, nav leg here (ha ha!). Say howdy if you see the green vests.


 
Posted : 15/10/2019 10:18 am
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Decent weekend of autumn hill runs, Saturday was 30k Keiloch/Slugain/Quoich/Mar lodge/Braemar
Deliberately chosen scenic route rather than just banging the hilltops. Required a couple of river wadings and some deep heather bashing but worth it
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Sunday another 30k, Gordon way to Bennachie. A fair chunk of hacking through overgrown brush and assorted grass and mud squelching, Gordon way is one for earlier in the year I think, all told would have been better just expending the energy around Bennachie which is much nicer
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Posted : 17/10/2019 8:59 pm
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Amazing pics as ever Mike! 💙🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿


 
Posted : 17/10/2019 9:27 pm
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En route to Fance for family holiday with sore legs today.

Tuesday was 800m hilly reps. Trying to keep up with Runners that are faster than you is great training. It appears I still have it on the hills, which is encouraging. Spent by the end but managed jog back to base.

Not fully recovered it was track last night. Moneghetti session was suitably brutal. This was followed by the Kipchoge challenge for men to see if we could run 200m in 34 seconds, which was his marathon pace. 15 of us lined up and all pretty much made it. I was very happy as I came in a close third with 32 seconds. Second time out I was second as the leader pulled up. Haven’t run so fast in many years and felt great, but certainly pushed myself. Gasping for breath by the end. Just need to keep that up for just under 2 hours - truly mind boggling for us mortals.

A week of recovery now. I think I need it!


 
Posted : 18/10/2019 9:38 am
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Been meaning to post something on plantar fasciatis for a while as there was a question up there somewhere ^^^

Anyway, I suffered quite badly from it for a year or so and even now it's still lurking in the background but I know how to manage it and the triggers. For me, what started it was getting into running in shoes with crappy footbeds and poor arch support (and most footbeds in running shoes are pretty average at best).

Recovery was a combination of working on calf stretching and strengthening, rolling with golf balls and frozen water bottles, avoiding hard floors in bare feet (massive trigger for me - always wear Birkenstocks around the house now!), and using better footbeds in my shoes. I now use Sidas 3feet high footbeds in my running shoes as I've a high arch and seem to make a massive difference. I also now have powerstep 3/4 orthotics in my work shoes as they are almost completely flat and without any arch support and I went through a bunch of different "smart" shoes that were awful and crippled me within a day of wearing them.


 
Posted : 18/10/2019 11:16 am
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I know that what I have just achieved doesn’t compare with some of the epic runners on this thread but I have finally completed the couch to 5k plan. 8 months ago, I could ride a bike all day but couldn’t run 1 step due to a couple of ops. I have had to stop and start lots of times due to minor injuries but it’s great to be running again in my fifties. New goal is to break 25 mins! Thanks to everyone for keeping me motivated


 
Posted : 18/10/2019 5:51 pm
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Claudie, as I keep telling my wife when she looks longingly at other people's times, it's only your efforts that are of any relevance to you.

Well done mate, that's a great achievement, onward and upward.


 
Posted : 18/10/2019 5:58 pm
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Festival des Templiers in town this week.
13000 runners, 17 races.
Today I am running (walking) the Mona Lisa, 28km and 1400m elevation.


 
Posted : 19/10/2019 8:37 am
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Anyone doing the Fell Relays on Saturday?

Well that was proper good fun. 8 miles of unpleasant off piste bogs, tussocks and steep hillside, with the occasional sheep-trod for light relief. 2h+ And 2200’ of climbing gives an idea of the terrain. Absolutely nowhere on the results board but a sprinkle of smug points coming ahead of our open team 20 years younger. Really well organised by Dark Peak and bumped into an old mate I’d not seen in forever.


 
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Slightly OT but I rode today for the first time in a while after pretty much exclusively running for the last 6 months. Blitzed it, PR’s all over the place. Haven’t felt that strong in a bike for a long time.


 
Posted : 21/10/2019 8:34 pm
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Aye, me too Jam bo, hardly biked at all in the last 2 years really, but once a month I go out biking and I'm sooooo much stronger, out the saddle attacking stuff and can climb all day.


 
Posted : 21/10/2019 9:06 pm
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Been coughing quite a lot after a few minutes running. Like there’s phlegm I can’t get of. Quite irritating. Might try an inhaler before running as heard this can help. Don’t think it’s too serious but will see what happens.


 
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Did not feel like that when I got back on a bike after 9mths. Felt fat, slow and by christ did my arse hurt.

Recovery still going ok albeit slowly. Have found that walking has improved things, progressed to running alternate KMs, did 20k off road today just walking the ups.

Need nerve flossing exercises to get the tibial nerve loosened off if anyone knows any.


 
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First cross country race last weekend, county championships relays, 4 man team 2.4 mile lumpy route through park and sand dunes, was bloody brilliant and I ran fairly well, even overtook a couple of guys, lol!.

Only downside is that it's a bit like cyclo cross, ie. it kinda takes up your whole day for a very short run. I'll keep doing the odd local race, but I'm o travelling to do it.

Opposite end of the scale this weekend coming, Jedburgh 3 peaks ultra, 38 miles including some Eildon hills action. I'm not bothered about my time this time tbh, just looking forward to getting this and a couple of half marathons out the way, and then into a hard winter training hopefully resulting in some improvements next year.

Still not really had a proper go at the sub 20 parkrun, despite saying I would....


 
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It's interesting seeing how many posts there are on here about plantar fasciatis - I have this (mildly thankfully), which leads me to think there could be a link to 'bikers who also run', possibly due to the old cyclist thing of shorter than normal ?hamstrings? due to the way your muscles get used to the pedaling position.
I wonder if anyone's done any research into this?
I find i just need to keep on top of stretching after exercise and as in some of the post above - avoiding barefoot on hard floors.

Anyway - I'm doing my first marathon this Saturday night - the Dusk Till Dawn from Hope in the Peak district - mostly off road, at night, quite hilly, so no real pressure to achieve any particular time, other than get back before dawn and avoid the Grim Reaper 'broom waggon' who will be sweeping up the 50 mile ultra runners! (I'm doing the 'easier' marathon option).


 
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That was tough.

Turns out relying on the fact I did an ultra of longer distance 6 weeks ago isn't a valid replacement for not getting the miles in...

37.5 miles, 4000ft climbing 8hrs 30, about an hour slower than I should be, but decided early on it wasn't happening, so just enjoyed my day.

Spent the whole time chatting to other runners, ultra really is the most sociable of pursuits.

One particularly inspirational 60 year old was telling me she loves ultra, only been running for 3 years, and was in a wheelchair up until the age of 18 due to non functioning kidneys.

The word legend is definitely suitable in this case.


 
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Nobeer, 37.5 miles deserves respect in my book. Truly amazing, along with many people on here.

Again, here on planet slow, I’m going out on my first non-cycling club run tomorrow and attempting to run further than any man has ever run before. Any man inhabiting my body that is, pushing the boundaries to 10k!

I got my old knee pain back on Thursday’s track session, with some groin pain on the side for added flavour, so hope I can make it.


 
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First run in a couple of weeks for me due to bad weather, bad cold and good rugby. Ran a brutal 13 miles - a run out and back again with the out half being mainly downhill and with the wind behind me. Coming back (800ft of climbing) was painful. Feeding up on crepes and coffee now.


 
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37.5 miles, 4000ft climbing 8hrs 30, about an hour slower than I should be, but decided early on it wasn’t happening, so just enjoyed my day.

31 miles here (aka 50km), but 7500ft (2300m), 7:35 total time... and absolutely shattered now. Summer triathlons are great training for running on the flat, but clearly absolutely useless when you hit the trails!

Still, all good fun 🙂


 
Posted : 27/10/2019 10:02 pm
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Haven't been commenting on this thread for a bit as I've been on a break but been following it and nice to see folks are out there getting it done.

Did the OMM A-class this weekend having done 1 run in the last two months. My partner hadn't run since May so delighted to come in 2nd over the two days. Although having said that it had **** all to do with running being more about navigation and coping with knee deep heather.


 
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Can we not say **** now?


 
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Seems not. Even the minced oath made famous by Father Jack is now outlawed. *eck.


 
Posted : 27/10/2019 10:46 pm
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Aye, the swear filter is a bit embarrassing, really.

You doing the OMM at Largs Spin? Horrible terrain!


 
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Some epic long runs there, well done you crazy ultra runners.

My weekend race was small beer in comparison, illuminator 25k (night trail race) which I entered last minute as they'd announced it was the last year they were doing the route, and I wanted a final whirl at beating my PB of just over 2 hours.

This year they had different distances (8k / 15k) which joined the 25k route near the end at the top of a dodgy stretch of steep mud/rock singletrack, made it interesting hammering down that at full throttle, dodging 8k walkers and fun runners

Considering I'd not done any proper training, went really well, 1'56 which I thought would likely be top ten. Got a surprise in the prize giving - called up for 1st vet prize (though the results online the next day showed I've been demoted to 2nd vet/7th overall).


 
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Well done Mike!


 
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You doing the OMM at Largs Spin? Horrible terrain!

I grew up in Lochwinnoch so I knew exactly what to expect! It was a bit of a trip down memory lane for me as the overnight camp was at Muirshield Country park and I spent large parts of my childhood mucking about there.


 
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Oh man - schoolboy error yesterday. Went out at around 1430, thinking I’d knock out a 20km offroad. The idea was to go 10km along familiar terrain and then turn around and come home. A beautiful cool sunny day and I was feeling good so at 10km, decided I’d throw another 5km in and make it 30km.

Completely forgetting that the clocks had gone back...

So at around 20km, the sun kinda went below the sides of the river valley I was in and the temp dropped quite a few degrees quite quickly. Jeez, I was freezing, low on water and no snacks and it was getting dark. The last 5 or 6km were through woods in near darkness - probably not sensible in the greasy conditions, albeit a trail I’ve run loads of times. Frightened the shit out of a few evening dog walkers too. 😂

What.
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Muppet.


 
Posted : 28/10/2019 5:38 pm
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Has anyone purchased a pair of Next% yet? And if so, anything you can say to put me off buying a pair myself?


 
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I am considering some Next% as I like to compete on a level playing field, and a large percentage of the folk I'm often up against are in them. My 4% have had a good bit of use and are showing some signs of age.

I'm a bit late to the thread after my latest outing - York marathon, due to having a week off painting our new loft extension and not being sat in front of a computer! I wasn't expecting to be anywhere near as quick as London as the training hasn't been at the same level, and I'd only managed to get 3 long (15+ miles) runs in. I thought something around 2:25 would be a realistic target, and depending on who else turned up, that might give me a fair chance at a podium. I was a little disappointed in the week before to discover that Paul Martelletti (a Kiwi 2:16 marathon runner) was entered, so any outside chance of a win was pretty much out the window...

Weather was pretty decent, cool with a fair breeze, not the scorching conditions I prosper in, but at least it wasn't raining like the year before. I wanted to keep the leaders within sight, but also not go out too hard resulting in detonation. Came through halfway in about 71:30 knowing that I wasn't going to sustain this pace all the way, and at about 30km lost sight of the leader, with 2nd getting away from me too. Both 2nd and I started to fade at a similar rate, slowing down significantly, but with the distance between us staying fairly constant. I was sure that someone from the chase pack was going to pass me at any moment, but a bike marshal who was nearby for the final few miles assured me that I had a healthy gap. This was until the top of the very last hill, less than half a mile from the finish, where I discovered that 4th had virtually caught me, so a full sprint was required to hold him off.

First was an elite du/triathlete, a training partner of the Brownlees running his maiden marathon in 2:22:XX, who looked relaxed and in control the whole way. 2nd 2:24:47, I was 3rd in 2:25:00, so may have been able to close on 2nd had I realised how small the gap was, and hadn't relaxed into settling for 3rd. 4th was 2 seconds behind me, and 5th was 3 seconds behind him!

Next up London 2020!


 
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Bloody hell - some fine achievements up there folks!!


 
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That's another planet TF! Superb sir.


 
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That's 5:30 minute miling TF, that's completely incomprehensible - chapeau!!


 
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Or 3:27/km and 5k in 17:14.

STUNNING!!!


 
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. I was a little disappointed in the week before to discover that Paul Martelletti (a Kiwi 2:16 marathon runner) was entered, so any outside chance of a win was pretty much out the window…

Seems like you beat him anyway! Well done, mindbending pace that.

Well it would seem I'm running again. Very slowly. Did the work commute on Monday (24k) and ran in today along the Camino del Norte and over the mountain (18k), and on Sunday did one of my fave loops. The knee/lower leg is behaving but still not right - doesn't hurt while running but still can't squat down properly or fully straighten it. Everything else hurts though, after 2 months off no surprise that hips and ankles are protesting. Descending very gingerly indeed.


 
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Ooft that's an amazing pace well done TF


 
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Well done for getting back on the pony after injury. I’m keeping them at bay, just.

Did my first 10k ‘club run’ on Sunday. Easy pace, a few stops to wait for stragglers but made it in one piece.

Proper hill sessions last night - blasting up about 200m of 1 in 7 and recovering down. Buried myself but quite happy I was the fastest in group and dropped the guy at the club I am chasing for pace. I’m under no illusion though as he is a very good runner and will beat me on anything over 200m. It’s good to make new friends who are runners. Did some sprints after and we paired up and did well. Legs are like lumps of raw meat hanging off today!

I do like a good hill - was always my forte on a bike.


 
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Or 3:27/km and 5k in 17:14.

It would seem my 5k splits were 16:31, 16:48, 17:10, 16:35, 17:07, 16:49, 17:34, 17:47 so just over a minute variation from fastest to slowest as I was suffering towards the end.

Paul Martelletti didn't have an amazing race by his standards, coming 7th in 2:27:XX Quite pleased with that scalp 🙂


 
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Turboferret has the most appropriate name on the forum it would seem.


 
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That's just mental! I can't even run 5k in sub 20mins never mind sustaining that pace for a marathon. A fine effort indeed TF!!


 
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Almost embarrassed to post a new parkrun PB in light of above achievements!! 22:06. First parkrun for a while. Felt aweful! Been feeling rough this week and sure there’s more in the tank but need to not start too quick as blew up massively about 3k in.


 
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Managed my first sub 20 minute 5k today(19.59) I'll not be claiming it though, as it was downhill and the first half of a 10k, the second half was hellish! 🙈🤣🤣🤣


 
Posted : 02/11/2019 10:12 pm
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Almost embarrassed to post a new parkrun PB in light of above achievements!! 22:06

Dude, that’s awesome. Well done.


 
Posted : 02/11/2019 11:05 pm
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A PB is a PB - nicely done 🙂


 
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Aye, agreed, 22 mins is not to be sneezed at, well done sir.


 
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A new PB for me yesterday - running with my daughter in the Junior parkrun 😂 - she’s been really ill with a chest infection for the last few weeks but just getting over it in time to run a regional cross country she qualified for a while ago so wanted to do some training for once. Fingers crossed she competed well tomorrow.


 
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Great work TF, that's awesome running...
The 2nd and 4th place runners are local to me, the lad who was 4th (Gareth) does an impressive amount of training and competing and averages over 140 mpw when he's in full on mara training, so a great effort on less than optimal prep...

Might see you in the London championship pen next year.


 
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So then fellow runners, talk ultra's to me.
Debating next years goals, there's various half's in the diary, a spring marathon once I work out which one, but then my eyes fell on an off-road ultra...
40 miles on trails, 10 hour cut-off, late May, seems spot on to me.

So, some questions:
40 miles in 10 hours seems reasonably doable for a 3:45 marathon runner, or an I vastly underestimating how bleak the extra 14 miles will be?!
And on that note, how horrible are those miles? 18-22 miles in a marathon is always unpleasant, does it relent or is it 14 miles of pain and discomfort.

Your thoughts as ever are gratefully received.


 
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Lunge; make sure a lot of your training is off road. Folk underestimate how hard it is running on trails compared to roads.

Templeton 10 yesterday; fantastic club and well organised, friendly race but what a sod of a run! Only 10 miles, but an utter shitebag of a 10 miler.


 
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Gosh there are lots of very impressive runs on here. I did a parkrun on Saturday. Not my best time but I did beat some other old people.


 
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@Lunge - I've only done one 'ultra' which was a 30 miler (it ended up being 33 after a few wrong turns) but all in all a good experience. My wife does quite a few and she treats it more as a challenge than a race. Preparation is key and getting a good fitting pack/waist belt is really important as it's a long way with something that annoys you (I presume you will have mandatory kit to carry and food/drink). work out what you'll eat/drink and what you can get at any aid stations. Don't be afraid to walk as it's more about covering the distance than getting a time (well that's my wifes theory). She's done a few 50's and never taken more than 9 hours so i think you will be fine with the cut off.
Just out of interest, what's the event as the terrain will have an impact on time also.


 
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Folk underestimate how hard it is running on trails compared to roads.

Yep, makes a huge difference particularly the fells. I remember my first 5 mile fell race many years ago. Did OK but about 15 minutes slower than I expected, what an idiot!


 
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40 miles on trails, 10 hour cut-off, late May, seems spot on to me

I managed 3 ultras this year, 32, 38 and 40 miles.

The 40 miler was a local one, the River Ayr way ultra, 2000ft of climbing so not a huge amount of ups considering the distance (38 miler was double the elevation)

I'd say I'm about pace with you, and I was just under the 8 hours (I planned 8 hours as I reckoned 5 miles an hour was acheivable including the 4 bag drops) and was fairly happy with that.

As per recommendations, after about the first 15 miles I started to fast walk the ups instead of running, and took a gel onboard in between the 4 food drop stations too.

It's no easy, obviously, but the thing about ultra is that it's sooooo much more sociable than any other form of racing IMO, if you're of a mind to, you can spend the whole time chatting and running to people you've never met before, which REALLY helps eat the miles up.


 
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Hi!

I’m just starting week 4 of a couch to 5k plan (8 weeks). So far really enjoying adding something different alongside my cycling.

I did try and get into running 2017, really really loved it but was very injury prone. Suffered with ITB issues and knees. I recently looked back through my running activities on Strava and realised what a idiot I’d been, just did way too much/too hard too soon.

This time around I’m going to try and reign it right back, despite being fit from lots of cycling, I’m starting very easy. Respecting the legs!

I am feeling a bit tight and sore, think through using the different muscles, most notably glute medius (I think).

My plan is to be able to do the parkrun regularly, just for a bit of fun. I did do it once in 2017, it was great.


 
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Best of luck kid.a, sounds like you're doing it right this time.


 
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Good luck Kid.A.
Just remember that it's a slippery slope, I remember when I too was on couch to 5k, then parkrun, then a half...
Now, just over 2.5 years, 3 marathons, 65 parkruns (and 75 volunteer credits) and numerous half's later, I about to enter an ultra having run 1500 miles this year already. It's a dangerous game!


 
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Cheers guys.

@lunge at this stage, I could only dream! You guys are all very impressive


 
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So then fellow runners, talk ultra’s to me.
Debating next years goals, there’s various half’s in the diary, a spring marathon once I work out which one, but then my eyes fell on an off-road ultra…
40 miles on trails, 10 hour cut-off, late May, seems spot on to me.

Sounds a reasonable distance for a first ultra, not too far but enough to be a challenge. Is this year's classification online? A simple check is to work out roughly where you end up in a normal race as a percentage, and use that to get an idea for a target time. You could also check out how many ITRA points they're giving (if they are), anything under 3 is a very fast ultra with lots of running, if it's 5 you should start worrying 🙂

Depending on where the race is you might need a load of new kit - a proper running waterproof, backpack, poles etc... get this soonish, you'll want to train with it (poles in particular).


 
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And check poles are allowed! 😉


 
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And check poles are allowed

Good point, would be a bit of a mistake that 🙂


 
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