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Nice one Root. Must say I had misgivings about joining a running club after many years of being in annoying, stuffy cycling clubs. But I joined the nearest fell club to where my Dad lives and was pleasantly surprised, though only likely to get out with them a handful of times a year. Midweek evening club runs followed by pub dinner and beer are probably the reason I gained 4kg last time I visited, despite running every other day and doing three M and L fell races...
Christ on a bike - that's tough. Just over a mile on intervals and my legs are burning. And a spin session tomorrow lunchtime 😱😱😱
Aye, I was put off running clubs by my bike clubs experience, but it's nothing like it, full of brilliant humble people, no one gives a **** what trainers you have! 🤣
Triathlon clubs are another possibility, I love training with mine. Again, all levels catered for and a very welcoming atmosphere. (You do need to be able to swim, though, which obviously could be a barrier to some).
On that subject, and looking forward to the weekend: this Sunday sees the last race of the season, a half-ironman by the Med in Spain. Going with 5 other members of my club so should be a good weekend 🙂
That, my dear STW, is how to start the day.
5 miles down quiet canals into work. The air was cool and crisp, the morning sun was coming up, there were birds on the canal, it was just glorious.
Every morning should be like that.
Kinda the opposite for me last night! 5 miles up and down the Thames through central London dodging commuters and tourists! Enjoyed it in a strange sort of way 🙂
Aye, I enjoy a wee dodgefest through the city centre, dunno if I'd fancy it every day though!
Went to a local bootcamp last night, just to try and get a bit of cross training in really, and to expose how poor my core and upper body really are.
Brutal. Hill reps were no probs, core stuff was horrendous. After 30 minutes, death was preferable.
I'll be back next week. 🙂
Went to a local bootcamp last night, just to try and get a bit of cross training in really, and to expose how poor my core and upper body really are.
Brutal. Hill reps were no probs, core stuff was horrendous. After 30 minutes, death was preferable.
I’ll be back next week.
I know this feeling well. I'm off to circuits tonight, an hour of smashing self supervised by the fittest 50 year old you'll ever meet. I bloody love it.
This looks good for those that like shorter distances. I’d do it as it’s the park I run in (Morden park) just down the road but I am away. Nice hill to run up and down.
https://entries.opentrack.run/2019/mastersxc/
Tempted to have a go again at the sub 20 min parkrun this weekend at the very un-parklike Troon prom parkrun.
I can only dream of a sub-20 ParkRun. Saying that, my first ever PR was about 29 mins and I am now at around 24mins so surely I can?...
Absolutely you can, my first 2 years ago ish was about 30 mins.
Down at 20.42 now, but that was 2 months ago, been going mostly longer slower stuff, but some track sessions too.
We'll see.
roots - you're obviously local to me, I'm Colliers Wood, and run through Morden Park on my way to Leatherhead every day. It's a shame that XC race is the day before York marathon, otherwise I'd be keen
I've finally got some form back with a 19:27 parkrun last week, just in time for loch Ness 10k in 2 weeks..
Good stuff Al. 👏🏻
Good luck nobeer! That would be quite an achievement in my book.
Turbo, that sounds like quite a long commute that I would think twice about cycling! I do quite like the park as you can vary the route endlessly.
The suspense is killing me.
Meanwhile, on planet slow, I went out for a ‘quick’ lunch time run yesterday and got a 5k all time best of 25:27. It was around the park so a mixture of loam, pavement, hills, roads, dogs, etc, so I am a little bit more hopeful of getting a sub 25min park run sometime soon. I was quite knackered by the end but feel ok today, legs and all.
Good time roots, well done.
Slept in this morning, my abs are in bits after that bootcamp on wed night! Had to roll sideways out of bed.
Wasn't feeling the love, decided to just go steadier and have a wee tempo instead, 21.57.
My own fault, I'll be 'readier' next week.
Did the Glen Clova duathalon today, Mrs Duck is a triathlete and convinced me to enter. The roadie bit was a good laugh, but when I got off the bike after 17 miles;it felt like I was using somebody elses legs...somebody shorter who had never run. Which was a pity as the run part was Mayer and Dreish, two Munros.
Horrible, truly horrible, getting off a bike and running.
Well done sir.
The first time trying to run off the bike is indeed a unique experience, and often a bit of a surprise how unpleasant it feels! However a with few brick sessions under your belt it becomes much easier
Cheers guys; the sympathy that wasn’t forthcoming domestically mentioned these brick sessions. However that would suggest the remotest possibility I would do another one. Baws to that caper, never the twain shall meet.
😂😂😂
Did my 1st Parkrun at the weekend, don't have an accessible one at home, so joined the Aviemore one whilst we're up here. Lovely, encouraging and welcoming folk, a good way to start a weekend. I was aiming to be under 25mins for the first time, so was quite surprised to get 23.11. Not sure at my age I can get much better, but quite happy with that after just a year of running.
Superb Mark, I don't think there's a more scenic parkrun in the UK.
Anyone else been dot watching at the Glencoe Skyline today? I had a few buddies in it.
Did a 5 miler on Sunday - 50/50 on and off road with some really narrow bits meaning I got stuck behind people walking a steep stepped section but really happy with a 41:30 (I was expecting more like 45 mins due to the terrain and climbing). Makes up for last week's disappointment at the ParkRun.
Sorry for the slight hijack but I’m after advice if anyone knows their stuff on hamstrings. Last Thursday while out running I felt quite a pull and then throbbing pain on my left upper hamstring at the glute. So I walked home. I saw a physio on Saturday morning and as I’m running the New York marathon on November 3rd she said it was a slight tear and best not to run it . She’s given me some strengthening exercises and told me to just swim for a few weeks. I was planning on just taking ibuprofen and painkillers and taking it easy around New York. What’s the worst that could happen? Obviously apart from losing all our Thomas cook flights this morning r😩
I was telt off on here for running on ibuprofen. Not great for the kidneys over longer events.
My leg is absolutely buggered. Knee got better but left me limping around on a sore lower leg, outside of shin, ankle, heel. Just speed-hobbled to catch a train and now can't put weight on it at all. Rather puzzled to say the least.
Final triathlon of the year yesterday, a half ironman in Castellón just north of Valencia - and fulfilling the image Brits have of Spain it was hot 🙁 It was almost certainly the flattest triathlon I've ever done, which probably explains the final time. But what a nightmare run! 4 laps of a 5km loop, at 30-35C with all the humidity you expect from a seaside run... a nightmare. The last couple of laps were particularly bad, as my right foot started to blister. Still, managed a sub 5 hour time, and despite the heat 1:38 for just under 20km is quite satisfying 🙂
Next stop, a mountain marathon in a month's time. Best get training then...
Running Clubs?
Aye, I was put off running clubs by my bike clubs experience, but it’s nothing like it, full of brilliant humble people, no one gives a **** what trainers you have!
I enjoy running on my own, just me and my feet.
I then entered a couple of local events (QECP Marathon, Meon Valley 100 etc.) and found running with small groups quiet enjoyable. I had misgivings thinking the fittest would be chatting and expecting answers from the gasping.. but not so. The fitter more experienced tended to go out for a run and enjoy it, pace equally to the group and hold back more when the less experienced faltered. In a similar way to a cycling club I joined.. so not quite that different.. though I'll agree to the kit you run in.. no-body really cares as long as it fits you and you're not hanging out of it at inconvenient moments on the trail... which has to be said is a marked contrast the the cycling club - where it seemed the price ticket on your bibs or the latest Pro-Top was the thing to be seen in.. even if there were 5-6 others dressed in the same combos...
So then I joined a small eclectic trail running bunch who run specific courses with tailored "sessions" built into the run. Quite surprised myself initially, then unfortunately the hernia came and I had to hang up my runners for a while... but they still kept in touch during the off period and I'm happily back out with them, like I've never been away.
I once read, and have been quoted this "you never see a grumpy runner" I think that's quite true. But I have witnessed plenty of grumpy cyclists.
But Clubs are all about a mindset, if you like the "pull" of running in a group they can be a great social pace whilst not feeling particularly well or suffering out on the trials, conversely I do still prefer running on my own. Maybe one day I'll find a running buddy.. I doubt I'll meet them whilst I'm out on my own... more likely meet someone whilst out with the small group.
Nice one Mogrim - anything under 5 hours is solid in my book 🙂
Cheers TF, nothing like as good as your results though!
Plans for this weekend? I'm volunteering at a local trail race, means getting up at 5am on Sunday to do the complete track, checking all the markers are in place before the race starts at 9:15. Can foresee a long siesta after lunch 😀
This weekend I'll be mainly cheering the sweetheart on at the Glasgow Half Marathon, hopefully I'll get a long run in on saturday.
Well knee pain seems to have been cured by a bit of a lay off, tried a slow 20k, and a managed a 20ish min tempo 5k last night without any adverse effects. Will see what the weather's like, might do a park run and hopefully a mountain run.
I ran 4 miles on Wednesday but got slightly held up by barriers (I run close to the circuits being used in the World's) but still managed to only be 21 seconds down on my PB and nearly beat my PM up my regular long hill which, if you have watched any of the cycling is the drag up from the right turn out of the Stray and up Otley Road. If it wasn't for the idiot trying to overtake me (I was running on the side of the road due to the barriers) then turn left even though there was a barrier stopping him from being able to so he swerved back in front of me, I would have beaten it (I was a single second down FFS).
And it's the ParkRun for me in the morning. I think it might be a bit wet.
parkun (small p, 1 word ;-)) tomorrow for me too. A hungover 3.5 miler up there, thrash myself round the run, gentle run back is the plan.
Sunday I'm marshaling at Junior parkrun, a gentle run up there and then a long ish run home, 10 miles or so.
Got a half in 2 weeks and worryingly this is about as good as my training will get for it!
parkun (small p, 1 word ;-))
Hangs head in shame.
Although I do hate proper nouns that insist on lower case (note - it's 'lower case', not 'small' unless you are seven 😉 ) as they look horrible when starting paras/sentences with them ie:
parkrun organise free, weekly, 5km timed runs around the world. They are open to everyone, free, and are safe and easy to take part in.
These events take place in pleasant parkland surroundings and we encourage people of every ability to take part; from those taking their first steps in running to Olympians; from juniors to those with more experience; we welcome you all.
Yak!
Hangs head in shame.
Although I do hate proper nouns that insist on lower case (note – it’s ‘lower case’, not ‘small’ unless you are seven 😉 ) as they look horrible when starting paras/sentences with them ie
Hahaha, you are correct that is looks crap. But I'm an Event Director at my parkrun and am not a fully signed up member of the parkrun grammar police!
🙂
Talking of PARKRUN, went along today hoping to get somewhere near 25 at Nonsuch. Did 26:17 last time out but went much nearer the front which was better. Found a 25 minute pacer and stuck with her, even chatting away on the first lap. Final km I felt good so decided to try my legs and speed up. Just about caught the 24 minute pacer and got a 23:54 on my watch. I’m amazed and don’t really know where it came from, but I suspect hill reps and intervals with Sutton Runners have something to do with it.
Well done all for your achievements, keep up the good work! All very inspiring.
Did my first ParkRun this morning. What great events they are; real mixed bag of abilities and a real friendly and welcoming environment. It times each person (even though I suspect almost everyone would have some sort of Garmin) and it’s all free!
They really put cycling events to shame.
Agreed Moonan, parkrun has been awesome for running, and getting folk out. Bravo.
North York Moors Half Marathon for me tomorrow. Noodling about between Ravenscar and Robin Hoods Bay and back. The forecast looks pretty grim and it'll easily be the most height gain in a single run for me. Given the course record is somewhere around 2h, I'm expecting it to become "character building".
Very solid improvement there root, shows there's loads more potential to be tapped if you stick at it 🙂
I was not aware of the ParkRun franchise. Although not really surprised to read some councils have started to charge for people to run in their parks.
As Nobinthefridge wrote - it’s a great concept that encourages people to get out.
The running community has been a bit of a revelation to me. It reminds me of when I joined a cycling club in about 2007 - unpretentious, welcoming and fun. Cycling events back then were cheap, and parkrun is a great example of a phenomenal event that just inspires people to get out there. A far more diverse field than any cycling event - 16 minute finishers, me in the midfield, then people crawling over the line in 50 minutes, all determinded to finish. I’m happy with my time but I was tracking a guy Who was 65+ I think, who finished ahead of me. He might have been an elite athlete back in the day? Brilliant. I was chatting with the 25 minute pacemaker from Nothern Ireland and a young lad for the middle part who I sort of raced to the finish. Great fun. People with their kids, dogs, mums, dads all getting out there for a soggy Saturday morning, some with hangovers, some recovering from unjuries or illness, all running with no snobbishness or looking down on those that finish slower, or have cheap shoes. Well, ultimately, all you need is a pair of trainers and isn’t that great? There is always someone faster so just enjoy it. I think I’ll volunteer sometime soon and offer encouragement to the runners.
Oh, and just one more thing. It’s a far more diverse ethnic membership than the cycling I know - a fair representation of a cross section of society in the London borough that I live in, and I for one feel that is a very positive thing.
I still love bikes too though!
Parkrun stats. Quite incredible really:
The running community has been a bit of a revelation to me. It reminds me of when I joined a cycling club in about 2007 – unpretentious, welcoming and fun. Cycling events back then were cheap, and parkrun is a great example of a phenomenal event that just inspires people to get out there. A far more diverse field than any cycling event – 16 minute finishers, me in the midfield, then people crawling over the line in 50 minutes, all determinded to finish. I’m happy with my time but I was tracking a guy Who was 65+ I think, who finished ahead of me. He might have been an elite athlete back in the day? Brilliant. I was chatting with the 25 minute pacemaker from Nothern Ireland and a young lad for the middle part who I sort of raced to the finish. Great fun. People with their kids, dogs, mums, dads all getting out there for a soggy Saturday morning, some with hangovers, some recovering from unjuries or illness, all running with no snobbishness or looking down on those that finish slower, or have cheap shoes. Well, ultimately, all you need is a pair of trainers and isn’t that great? There is always someone faster so just enjoy it. I think I’ll volunteer sometime soon and offer encouragement to the runners.
Absolutely this, people like me (30's, reasonably fit, white) will always find a way to exercise if they want, it's the other people that parkrun is for.
And please do volunteer, this weekend I completed my 51st run and got my 62nd volunteer credit and can confirm it's awesome. I truth, I almost enjoy the volunteering more than the running!
I'm trying to talk my local parkrun into using pacers once a month, tjat way I can volunteer, and run too!
I’m trying to talk my local parkrun into using pacers once a month, tjat way I can volunteer, and run too!
That's a cheats volunteer credit, get out on the course and cheer people on!
Joking aside, how quick are you? There are some roles (barcode scanning being the obvious) that you can do after a run if you're reasonably sharp. We have 3 at Dudley and will allow one to run if they can be back in under 24 minutes as the rush starts to arrive at around 30 minutes. You can also try first timers briefing or even doing some pre-event set-up.
Lol, I do volunteer too! Can happily chap out a 21 minute 5k, so that 24 would work for me.
I'd quite like to pace say 25 minutes, get a bit of banter going. 😊
I've just got my arse in gear to start running again. I used to do a fair bit a few years ago, but fell out of the habit. I was persuaded to do a parkrun last weekend (only my second ever, last one was 6 years ago! I have volunteered and run around the junior ones with my kids more recently though.
I felt awful, about 20 seconds slower than last time, and on that occasion I'd run the 8 miles there and back too! Still, it's got me keen again, and I always found it was easier over the winter when the idea of cleaning up a bike seemed like too much of a hassle.
I think we may be romanticising a bit too much about Parkrun. Parkrun came along years after my competitive days were over and whilst I think its laudable for people to run around around a park every Saturday morning (who wouldnt want to encourage that) at the end of the day it is a "fun run" again, nothing wrong with that at all (and I have ran many of them) my gripe is that they should not be timed and those results should not be published. As someone who grew up and began running in the 70's the overwhelming contributor to the decades of enjoyment and fitness me and my peers enjoyed was the UK club structure. That is why you will always hear me banging on about joining your local running club and contributing in some way to that, whether it be marshalling, marking out courses or providing transport but most importantly supporting the great work they do to deliver "structured" coaching for up and coming competitive athletes (as well as a great many who have no competitive aspirations)
We can of course have both but if my club wanted to put on a 5k "race" in my local park then they would have considerably more cost and "red tape" to overcome.
Hmmm, not really.
Huge amounts of red tape setting up a parkrun, local one just started, the amount of hoops they had to jump through was unreal, even havibg to buy a defib. Their local running club tried to kibosh it too, bizarrely.
Me, I organise a 5k race every year, for charity, and the actual stuff I have to do is fairly minimal by comparison.
Huge amounts of red tape setting up a parkrun, local one just started,
My Brother tried to bring one to his local park but I understand he had to stump up money to buy a laptop etc which put him off. Other than the cost I am not sure what other red tape there was. edit: I think this was prior to the Defib requirement
Interested in your experience of setting up a race. What are the insurance liabilities?
I run it on land adjacent to work, owned by Scottish wildlife trust, we have a partnership with them, so they allow us to use their land (although it's all on public path) and my employers public liability insurance covers.
my gripe is that they should not be timed and those results should not be published
I don't agree with the first part of that comment - I find the timing of it the biggest motivator for me. I look forward to seeing the result flash up on my phone to see if I have managed a PB. The second part I tend to agree with, only because of GDPR - surely they shouldn't be publishing people's name these days?
Unfortunately athletics clubs have to find this money from there coffers or as part of the entry fee as well as permits, first aid, toilets etc all the things people expect a race to provide. As well as prizes, timekeeping and medals etc.
I don’t agree with the first part of that comment – I find the timing of it the biggest motivator for me. I look forward to seeing the result flash up on my phone to see if I have managed a PB.
Exactly. Its a race and should be advertised as such.
Isn’t one of the benefits of park run the accessibility though? Many people who try one may not be keen to turn up at a local running club to have a go, possibly due to perceived ‘elitism?’
I would see parkrun as a route to a club too, especially if your times improve - people may then feel more inclined to join a club.
I would see parkrun as a route to a club too, especially if your times improve – people may then feel more inclined to join a club.
I would hope so but I am not sure the evidence bears that out (I will try to find it later) having both is great and all for encouraging people to simply be active but in my view there is an element of displacement.
To set up a parkrun you need to raise £3k for the timing equipment, tokens, signs etc which is usually funded by councils.
Unfortunately athletics clubs have to find this money from there coffers or as part of the entry fee as well as permits, first aid, toilets etc all the things people expect a race to provide. As well as prizes, timekeeping and medals etc.
My club makes about half of its annual budget from the two races it organises, certainly it's time consuming etc but of course once you've been running it for a few years it's less of a struggle. That said they're not competing with parkrun, these are well-established mountain trail races - I can see how trying to charge even a minimum fee for a 5K run in the UK could be a problem these days.
@mogrim yes and there are a large number of "professional" race organisers as well who are making a tidy profit and exploiting people in my view. My concern is the "club" races which charge fees to cover costs only and are put on by volunteers but are seeing their numbers fall. In my opinion partly due to the Parkrun displacement and the myth that is being perpetuated that athletics clubs are elitist.
Exactly. Its a race and should be advertised as such.
Well it's not a race in that there are no prizes awarded.
Well it’s not a race in that there are no prizes awarded.
There are lots of things it is not but if somebody shouts go, people race and there is a finishing line and times are recorded and advertised (on Power of 10 no less!) then I think most people would agree that fulfils the criteria of a race.
Re parkrun.
The other thing is that people who are less fit won’t join a running club. It’s not about the fast guys, it’s about the people who are easing themselves into exercise and need a friendly, non-judgemental place to do it.
However, our local running clubs love parkrun as they get a steady stream of new members from it.
Don’t think organising parkrun is easy, getting ours at Dudley set up was a right ball ache, and it takes real time every week to make it happen.
I also don’t agree that’s it’s a race, of the 250 people who turn up at Dudley each week maybe 5 could hope to win. The rest are out there getting some exercise and maybe trying to beat their PB, the are only racing themselves. Without the timing you lose that and some of the appeal. And yes, some will have Garmins but the majority don’t as they’re not runners, they’re people going for a run.
To get what parkrun is all about you need to look at the back of the pack and not the front. The people whose only exercise that week will be parkrun. The people who hate exercising on their own as they’re self conscious about how they look or how they run. They are who parkrun is for, not people are “runners”.
And of the 4 running clubs local to me, 3 have seen an increase in both membership and race entries since we started, those 3 all support the event. The one that’s seen a drop have no interest in the event and actively shun it. Guess what, they’re losing out on a huge amount of new runners who do a few parkrun’s and then decide to join a club or do a race.
We’re not an exception, lots of clubs across the country are saying the same.
There are lots of things it is not but if somebody shouts go, people race and there is a finishing line and times are recorded and advertised (on Power of 10 no less!) then I think most people would agree that fulfils the criteria of a race.
I think it depends on who's running - for the people at the front it's definitely a race, for those at the back it's perhaps more of a challenge. (By the same token I think sportives are in many ways races, despite the squeals of outrage road race purists...)
But parkrun's definitely made running a 5K a more "normal" activity, not just something weirdos in sleeveless vests and scandalously short shorts do. Which is good, even if it does mean some of the smaller running clubs are at risk.
Parkrun and couch to 5k are both routes into running clubs, IMO. Only anecdotal mind, speaking for myself and others in my club.
Agreed Lunge. At my parkrun (Harrogate) there is a blind lady that runs with a helper every week, mums / dads with young children (some in pushchairs), people with dogs. There's even a little old lady (easily in her late 70s I reckon and she's done hundreds of parkruns now - I think over 250). People jog/walk it, some people simply walk it. It is a fantastic event that regularly attracts 450 people a week, many of which wouldn't do any exercise at all without it. If someone wants to call it a race then fair enough, let them think that, but for the vast majority that I see, it is a way of getting out and just doing something.
Personally, I chose to start doing the parkrun as a way of motivating myself to get out as I often found it too easy not to bother for one reason or another. I'll never be the fastest for my age (52, PB of around 23:30) but I enjoy it and it positively helps with my fitness and motivation.
Interesting to hear all that. It hasnt changed my view which is that Parkrun gets a "free ride" which I think forces out other events. Many of which have been instrumental in bringing our greatest athletes through the ranks. Absolutely not anti Parkrun as a way of getting people into exercise but I would maintain it is a race and given the posting of times on this thread, almost everybody on here also thinks that. I would also maintain that all of the good things that Parkrun apparently offers were largely available via the old club structure and other races already. I have ran 000's of races over the years, only a small number did I expect win or place. I was "racing" every one of them.
Aye, hard to disagree that it's a race, though not sure of the relevance, really.
Any clubs that don't move with the times in any sport will stagnate or die. Lots of my clubmates volunteer at parkrun.
The relevance is that it doesnt adhere to the same criteria as clubs who put on "races" many of who are priced out.
Its not clubs that "need" to move with the times they can simply wither and die and the coaching support and competition along with them. Club members have been "volunteering" for generations prior to Parkrun you know and Parkrun does not offer the support to younger athletes that our club structure does. It is a depressing thought to think that all we value is the volume of entrants and not also the sharp end.
Surfer I know what you're saying, though I don't agree. 3 points.
1. My Mom has just done her 50th parkrun, there's no way she'd have ever entered a race and no way she'd have joined a running club. I persuaded her to pop up on the promise she wouldn't be last. She now loves it, loves the community, loves the friends she's made. She's done a local club race now, she's debating joining a local beginners club. She would not have done that without parkrun.
2. On the subject of an easy ride, councils should be giving them an easy ride. They cost the council a nominal fee to set up and then it's zero cost from then onwards as it's all volunteer led, they just have to provide the land. Dudley has a huge obesity problem, our event provides a way of people exercising and helping with that, we have doctors recommending patients to us. All this for £3k. bargain.
3. It's not just about the runners. We have a volunteer who turns up every week, he's run maybe 3 times but is well on his way to 25 volunteer credits. He's autistic and, from what I now understand, rarely left the house. Now, every Saturday, he turns up at 8:30am and marshals for us, he has 250 people running past him and thanking him, smiling at him, waving to him. He's gone from a guy who wouldn't leave the house to a guy who turns up smiling on a Saturday and has a weekly routine that he loves. Are we're really proud of him, and of what the community has done to improve his life.
I say again, don't look at the front of the field, it's at the back and out on the course that the value is. It's not about the sharp end, it's about getting people exercising who wouldn't do it without it. Yes, clubs play a part in coaching young kids, in developing the sport, and they should be applauded for that, their impact is important. But parkrun is not in competition with them, and any good club will embrace a new influx of runners in the area and recruit from that pool.
The 2 can coexist, I enjoy both, YMMV.
Well said Lunge.
And I just love your Point 3. Priceless.
Lunge I agree with pretty much everything you say about the inclusivity. Why then is it timed and why are those results categorised? I know because I broke one of the records ages ago and my time and finishing place were on the website and my place etc along with a "write up" which was very much written as a race report was emailed out.
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