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My mum was also at LGI in the late 60s, these were her thoughts/memories - it started with me wondering whether she might remember the head porter as he seemed reasonably significant;

I don't remember the head porter shown on the Jimmy Savile programme.  He was probably tucked away in an office somewhere.

My memories of JS at the LGI were...  He "worked" as a porter in the Xray department.   He was always accompanied by another porter - it must have been the rules for anyone who wasn't part of the staff.  Patients were thrilled if they were one of the lucky ones to be pushed by him!?

If we saw him coming we would take a detour to avoid him and definitely not get in a lift with him.  This was mainly because he talked such gobbledegook and was embarrassing.

He was friendly with the mortuary technician.

He once came into theatre to watch an open heart operation.   He must have become friends with the surgeon.   He appeared most interested and asked lots of serious questions.  He later wrote a load of tosh in the Yorkshire Evening Post, joking and trivialising it.

While I was there, lots of research was going on...surgical and medical.  People's heart rates were monitored in different situations...travelling by air, travelling by train, driving etc.  Jimmy Savile took part during a recording of Top of the Pops.  Another technician went to TOTP.   (The research may have had something  to do with Beta Blockers).

I've probably told you all this before. Never suspected  anything, just thought he was a creep.


 
Posted : 23/10/2023 4:09 pm
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^^ I wonder if they knew each other. My M-I-L spent most of her time on the psychiatric ward with a spell on children's I believe (as a quite junior nurse).


 
Posted : 23/10/2023 4:16 pm
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Assuming that the drama is in any way accurate, it’s fairly clear how he operated. He was charismatic, he was powerful, he was popular, he was well-loved, he was coercive, he was deeply manipulative. And as is often the case, who’s going to believe the word of a 15-year old over someone like Russ- uh, Jimmy Savile?

There was no paedophile ring here, because he didn’t need one.

You don't know that. And to say he didn't need one isn't true either and is devoid of logic. He needed friends in high places. He had Police pals who got him off the hook many times.

People don't want to think he was part of one because its uncomfortable for them. Its much easier to believe he was acting purely alone however this series confirmed he wasn't, and we knew this anyway (the ice cream man and his flat mate are two for starters). Then when interviewed by police he literally says his police mates laugh about allegations and make them go away. Everything points to it. Of course they spin it to make you think differently as like I say it lets many organisations and individuals off the hook which is highly convenient.

Also thinking that we now know everything and everyone involved is naïve in the extreme, it's borderline head in the sand stuff. And extraordinary given how this was covered up for decades.


 
Posted : 23/10/2023 5:22 pm
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It's all pretty much the same as the book, which is excellent.

The book details much more about the inconsistencies in his own history of being a Bevin Boy and testimony from people who raced with him in the 1951 Tour of Britain.

The bits that I don't remember from the book are details regarding his earlier involvement at LGI and the circumstances around the attacks in the Chapel vestry and the funfair.

The rest seems to follow the book very closely, the words of Savile himself and those interviewed by Dan Davies.


 
Posted : 23/10/2023 6:59 pm
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Of course they spin it to make you think differently as like I say it lets many organisations and individuals off the hook which is highly convenient.

They really didn’t there was a scene with his ex-chauffeur begging him to use his police contacts.


 
Posted : 23/10/2023 7:07 pm
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You don’t know that.

Nor do you.

We can all sit here making shit up. It's not in doubt that many people "turned a blind eye" to his antics. This does not a paedophile ring conspiracy make.


 
Posted : 23/10/2023 7:38 pm
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If we believe the testimony of Savile's nephew, then there certainly was something of the kind happening in London.
I THINK he was in the programme, he was certainly in the book.


 
Posted : 23/10/2023 7:49 pm
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It was written.


 
Posted : 23/10/2023 10:58 pm
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Although I remember it all coming out soon after his death I had forgotten it was within a month that it was going to be reported on Newsnight. Clearly more than coincidence that it all came out so soon after his death and must have been held back/covered up waiting for that time surely. If there was any of that then that is one of the worst parts of this as catching hime when alive would have been so much better for a lot of people impacted by him.


 
Posted : 24/10/2023 8:13 am
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Clearly more than coincidence that it all came out so soon after his death and must have been held back/covered up waiting for that time surely.

Or his victims finally felt they could talk.

It was written.

He did voices for spitting image.


 
Posted : 24/10/2023 8:48 am
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Yeah, I know, and clearly he was accomplished. 😊


 
Posted : 24/10/2023 9:12 am
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The reality appears worse than what was portayed in The Reckoning

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2014/jun/26/savile-bodies-sex-acts-corpses-glass-eyes-mortuary

I just tripped over this. Interview aside, watch his hand.


 
Posted : 24/10/2023 11:39 pm
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I just tripped over this. Interview aside, watch his hand.

Didn't see anything. What were we supposed to see ?.

1970's 😕 Yeah women really had choices in those days. Might want to have cause on whomever designed their clothing.  But at that time the laws attitude to woman was at best barbaric.


 
Posted : 25/10/2023 12:03 am
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What were we supposed to see ?.

As he covers his eyes in the first few seconds, one of the rings on his left hand looks like (is clearly?) an eye 🤢


 
Posted : 25/10/2023 12:23 am
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After seeing that video ^^^ I had a flashback - did he once put both hands up so the eyes on the rings were over his eyes? Or was that someone else? Or have I just imagined it?


 
Posted : 25/10/2023 9:26 am
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As he covers his eyes in the first few seconds, one of the rings on his left hand looks like (is clearly?) an eye 🤢

Jeez! I do believe you're right.


 
Posted : 25/10/2023 9:28 am
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