It’s hardly a secret that he’s a dick though. Wish I had that job, it’d be a breeze.
Trump - dick
Farage - dick
Putin - dick
Etc
Where do I apply to be an ambassador?
.. let’s have a PM with a Future.
You have None! Nil! None of the ones from all the main parties.
... but we seem to have Boris who lies at every opportunity.
IMO all politicians will try to get away with whatever they can cos it is in their nature of their job. Some may use nice words that make you feel good about them while others simply not as polished in the dark art.
So it’s about time all those lies come to the for, and we we make our own decisions about the current crop of lying Tory retards.
Only Tories? You have too much faith in politicians ... 😃
The correct response should be ALL of them in all the political parties.
Trump – dick
Farage – dick
Putin – dick
Etc
Only them? 😄
Official secrets act has to be signed up to (ie. as part of an employment contract), so no default responsibilities on public.
Uncorrect. You're bound by it without signing - just like the other Acts of Parliament.
<Tin foil hat>
Is this a dead cat on the table moment?
Every one has stopped talking about tRump and his links to
sex trafficker jeffrey epstein, to concentrate on a tiff caused by
what a ambassador said in confidential email.
</Tin foil hat>
Makes you think 🤔
There is always a deflecting tirade when Trumps around.
The Ambassador can describe the President however he wished but once the official information is leaked good or bad there is a security breach and he should be held responsible.
Go on then, I know it's Chewy so it's not going to make any sense, but would you care to explain how the author of a report in another continent should be responsible for a leak of extracts of it from a source in Whitehall? Bloke on R4 (ex ambassador) yesterday explained that a report from an ambassador would have read by a minimum of 100 people in Whitehall, far more if the information was less sensitive.
I'm normally all up for freedom of the press but the Mail on Sunday should be feeling pretty shitty right now. The information shared was not earth shattering so I'm not convinced it was in the public interest to damage relationships between the two countries by publishing it. I suppose the only thing we have had emphasised (again) what a pustulating knob Trump is and (again) what a tool BJ is too.
Journalist/paper nope. Although I think the civil service could, and should, forget to include them in briefings for a while.
Civil servants don't brief journos as a rule. They we issue quotes and statements, and comms teams arrange interviews with ministers, but interacting directly with journalists isn't really how it goes. That's what special advisers - who are appointed directly by ministers - are for (they're notorious for leaking things too).
I know it’s Chewy so it’s not going to make any sense, but would you care to explain...
Please don't.
I think there's more of this to come once Johnson is PM
Only the most fawning yes men will survive the cull
We are truly the yanks bitch now.
The Ambassador can describe the President however he wished but once the official information is leaked good or bad there is a security breach and he should be held responsible
WTAF? Assuming he followed the correct protocol (correctly classified, correct recipients and correct network used for information of that classification level) when sending the reports (and there's nothing to suggest he didn't) then that's where his responsibility ends. Those receiving and disseminating the information take over responsibility for it's handling.
Chewke being his usual obtuse self, I see. The ambassador was doing exactly what ambassadors do all the time, it’s his job, or part of it, to keep his government up to date on the inside workings of the country to which he’s posted.
There was even an American woman on the radio saying that all he had written was what everyone in Washington knew anyway! Any responsibility for this leak lies, purely and simply, with someone at this end with an agenda that’s clearly pro-Trump, indulging in a blatant ass-kissing exercise.
The New Yorker’s take on it:
https://www.newyorker.com/news/our-columnists/boris-johnson-shows-that-hes-donald-trumps-poodle
What's really depressing is the Tory MPs toadying up to Johnson won't condem him for throwing darroch under a bus.
Whatever spad, civil servant or minister leaked this is hopefully crapping themselves right now.
Unfortunately I fear they'll get away with it & the brexiters will just be emboldened to do it again & again. No matter the damage to the country & government.
Peston reckons this was Johnson sending a warning to the civil service, I cannot see thats any way to be PM. It will only foster resentment
A beautiful foreshadowing of our special relationship when Europe gets fed up of our shit and we have no friends.
There was even an American woman on the radio saying that all he had written was what everyone in Washington knew anyway!
Its all things that people within the Whitehouse have already written- not in confidential cables but in national newspapers.
all the leaked information revealed was that the ambassador was able to summarise the information very eloquently.
Peston reckons this was Johnson sending a warning to the civil service
For a while now the Brexiteers have been lining up civil servants to cop the blame for the disaster that Brexit is bound to be. Boris is just drawing up the battle lines for when the blamestorming begins.
I do hope Dumbojo gets an opportunity to display his allegiance to his country of birth by sending our gallant boys to be the first slaughtered in Iran.
Don't need to be JHJ to know this was politically motivated.
I would recommend to anyone trying to avoid ill-informed dirge that the killfile is extremely effective. If you're lucky, you can avoid the imminent non-sequitur.
FastHaggis sed> The truth is that there was a fight with Trump over the last Ferrero Rocher at the Ambassador’s Party.
Balls.
Go on then, I know it’s Chewy so it’s not going to make any sense, but would you care to explain how the author of a report in another continent should be responsible for a leak of extracts of it from a source in Whitehall?
Ford make cars. If someone gets drunk, drives a Ford car and runs someone over then it's Ford who should be held responsible as if they hadn't made the car the accident wouldn't have happened. It's called chewkw logic
The ambassador's assesment of Trump might very well be correct, he might not be in any way to blame for the leak, but once his comments became public his position became untenable. He has to be able to work with the Trump regime or there's no point him being there. In fact i'm suprised he took so long to resign, totally unfortunate but that's life and life isn't fair.
Isn't this like "leaking" a recipe for egg and chips?
His ability to do his job became untenable once Trump refused to engage with him and un-invited him to various meetings and functions. This is the action of a pathetic narcissist rather than a politician and Trump not only disrespects the normal discourse of diplomacy (its not the first time he's frozen out ambassadors), but also disrespects the office of the President of the United States.
I wish Trump was clever enough to be doing things for a political end no matter how mischievous it might be, but the reality is he's just spitting his dummy out like a child in a school playground and hitting back at someone who'd called him a name. Acting like a spineless bully. He's taken it personally and reacted in a personal way. unprofessional. Unintelligent. Just a bit sad and pathetic really.
Duplomacy is a shallow affair with nothing honourable about it. An ambassador is only effective if they are credible. Their job is to smile politely in public whilst bitching about their hosts in private. Whilst everyone on all sides knows this to be the case, if your bitching is exposed your credibility is gone and there's no point you staying there.
Is it just me that suspects that at any other period in our history we would have shrugged our shoulders, and instructed our chap to stay put until the next president takes office?
With the shower of bastards we have in charge now, and the fact that we're about to be reduced to a point where we have all the influence of a f***ing banana Republic, it's no wonder he had to quit.
Duplomacy is a shallow affair
It’s far from it.
This is the action of a pathetic narcissist
thats the funny thing
Darroch said he 'radiated insecurity'
his 2 day twitter tantrum has proven Darroch 100% correct
And unfortunately it will only reinforce Trump's sense of self-importance and inflate his ego. I still wonder in his heart if he's knows he's a complete turd and chooses to act however it suits him or if just completely delusional and thinks his behaviour is normal
As a narcissist, I suspect he thinks he's cleverer and actually superior to everyone else, and that his behaviour is just that which enables him to be superior...
I think the plan is to appoint Farage as the next ambassador and Boris will continue to develop a relationship with the Brexit party. I never thought I’d be hoping for Jeremy Hunt to win anything.
The Grauniad’s take on the whole sorry cluster****:
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/jul/11/uk-trump-darroch-new-phase-special-relationship
That Grauniad article paints a bloody grim picture...
A CNN article which shows that Darroch was perfectly correct in his assessment, and that he’s backed up by the ambassadors of many other countries who send very similar cables to their governments:
https://edition.cnn.com/2019/07/11/politics/trump-darroch-ambassadors-washington/
Reading it you can clearly see that chewkw is, as usual, talking bollocks.
Oakshit says her life is private and shouldn't be in the limelight something to do with a brexiteer who left his wife for her , but oddly is a mucka of farage, now the Met are looking into it.
Odd that.
Leaker ID'd, just trying to build a case now, according to Sunday times
Met bluffing ?
Someone is going to be crapping it, either way.
I think the plan is to appoint Farage as the next ambassador and Boris will continue to develop a relationship with the Brexit party.
Well it turns out that Brexit party chairmain Tice is having an affair with Oakshit, the journo who wrote the Mail on Sunday piece. Odd that Tice was all over the interview studios on the week that the leak broke. Odd that Carole Cadwalladr who revealed the dodgy nature of Cambridge Analytica and tangled with Oakshit on the Marr show is now being sued by Banks. All a very nasty tangle of money and interests.
A CNN article which shows that Darroch was perfectly correct in his assessment, and that he’s backed up by the ambassadors of many other countries who send very similar cables to their governments:
https://edition.cnn.com/2019/07/11/politics/trump-darroch-ambassadors-washington/
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CNN 👈 😂
Just like ALL the politicians the media is partisan with their own agenda. They hate those that do not align with their agenda or ideology. The moment one of their "own" got caught out they would spring to their defence and as always the sophisticated propaganda machine trying to influence. 😆Reading it you can clearly see that chewkw is, as usual, talking bollocks.
Darroch got caught backstabbing the American alliance with his own biased views. 😆
Moreover, they said, Darroch was only echoing assessments they hear from both sides of the aisle in Congress and staff inside the White House -- views reflected on TV and in newspapers almost every day.
"The important thing to say is that Ambassador Darroch was not reporting his personal views, he was reporting what people were saying in Washington," said a European official familiar with Washington. "He was reporting things that were being said fairly openly by many Americans in Washington, including on both sides of the political divide.
C'mon ... is this bloke Darroch assessing the situation based on hearsay? Even if it is hearsay, I mean does he know how to write in a diplomatic language without causing a stir or was it a deliberate action? Crikey. 🙄
Don't you have a scheduled reboot past due?
That Steven Edginton story sounds as dodgy as anything. How has a 19 year old got such a valuable source of sensitive information? Why would someone trust releasing it to someone so young?
Basically a freelance untrained journalist with impeccable sources, who appears surprisingly happy to talk about it. He appears to be a graduate of 'Farage Academy, Brexitland' as well. And apparently the information was read out to him down the phone. So the Mail Newsdesk was happy to run a story of that magnitude based solely on the say-so of this spotty youth with no documentary evidence. Seems legit.
Blaming the work experience boy, Isobel?
How has a 19 year old got such a valuable source of sensitive information?
He wrote in the Mail on Sunday that he has 'a large number of Whitehall sources, including both retired and current civil servants'.
He does have a rent boy look about him...
