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JCL in wrong again shocker 😆

Bottas could still get decent points.

He'll have his day alright.

Worth getting up for?!

Oh yes

Points for Caterham or Marussia today?

Button looking characteristically uninspiring. Expect maybe one or two decent performances from him, but I doubt much more.

I think they're all just waiting to see what goes on with fuel/tires.

Those couple laps when Nico put a bit of effort in where pretty amazing eh? That Merc is rapid.

Loving hearing the tyres squeal

Loving hearing the tyres squeal

+1

Might be eating my words about Button - currently 4th from 10th isn't a bad position to be in - can't see him catching Kev though

Worth getting up for?!

I just decided it would be worth getting up to watch the second half of the race. Started flicking through the channels then realized it was on bloody Sky 👿

Bottas one to watch, Maclaren look like they might be ok this year - hope Jenson isn't a number 2 though and it will be interesting to see Hamilton and Rosberg in a straight fight. Well done Ricciardo and Magnussen

So one of the redbulls survived. And pretty reasonably....

I just can't get excited about Rosberg - just a bland driver.

Is it because he is zee German?

I like him. Quite a clever kid and I think that'll give him the edge over Hamilton.

nope

I feel he's in the same mould as Webber - he'll only every win when everything is perfect, unlike drivers like Alonso or Hamilton.

Loved that. I think I'll be enjoying this season.

DisregardiNg his usual spin fest I wonder how massa would have done, clearly not his fault this time but I bet he's excited about the next few races before the other teams catch up

Good race. Shame for LH and I actually quite like Rosberg. Good to see Bottas fight back and prove Williams have some pace this year.

Moving on slightly - if you close you eyes and just listen to the voices you could be forgiven to think that Arnie has taken over as principal of Mercedes...

Ted Kravitz just tweeted that Redbull have been disqualified for exceeding 100kg fuel limit.
Awaiting official FIA confirmation.
Poor Daniel...seems a genuinely nice guy in a team that's hard to like!

Kobyashi lives up to his kamikaze reputaion again.

Ricciardo under investigation for 'fuel flow irregularities'

Button might be 3rd yet. Two cars on the podium for Mclaren would beat last year in the first race.

Brilliant stuff.

Kobyashi lives up to his kamikaze reputaion again.

Kobayashi cleared - systems failure apparently...

http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2014/03/16/kobayashi-responsible-massa-crash-stewards/

Redbull again on the limits of legality
I did think it strange that the Mclarens could not get him even with DRS
so maybe he was going over the fuel flow on the drs bits

Redbull been disqualified
[url= http://www.planetf1.com/news/3213/9216771/Ricciardo-Disqualified-From-Aussie-GP ]Redbull out [/url]

well thats going to go down like a
fart in a lift
ton of bricks
[insert rob warner airline joke here]
in Oz tomorrow morning, so Mclaren looking the best?

A shame for Danny, thought he looked very much like a seasoned top 3 finisher today.

Great to see McLaren up there again though, impressed with Magnussen and Button showed a lot of intelligence to get up to 4th.

With all the issues they have had it's bizarre that RB chose to ignore the FIA and but a podium at risk.

One thing I don't understand:
100kg max fuel limit in the cars
100kg/hr max fuel rate allowed
The races go on for a lot longer than one hour.

Eh?

One thing I don't understand:
100kg max fuel limit in the cars
100kg/hr max fuel rate allowed
The races go on for a lot longer than one hour.

Eh?

The fuel flow rate is the maximum rate that fuel can be put through the engine. To use 100kg in an hour they would have to be at full throttle all the time, which of course they aren't.

The fuel can flow slower than the 100kg/hour rate, but at no time can it exceed it. Even if they have plenty of fuel left.

Regarding Red Bull - this is a reply from another forum (not my words). Seems like they don't have a leg to stand on...

[i]Even if RBR appeals, I think point number 9 will destroy anything they can come up with:
9) The FIA technical representative observed thought the telemetry during the race that the fuel flow was too high and contacted the team, giving them the opportunity to follow his previous instruction, and reduce the fuel flow such that it was within the limit, as measured by the homologated sensor – and thus gave the team the opportunity to be within compliance. The team chose not to make this correction.

They ignored FIA more than once and even during the race itself. Even if RBR were within rule-limits, these offences undoubtly will keep the decision of disqualification in place.[/i]

Looks like a bit of a whoopsy by RBR there. Oh well. McLaren are shaping up for a blinder of a season- that decision to concentrate on this year's car half way through last season seems to be paying off

Well they've got to find at least a second a lap to get close to Mercedes...

Regarding the flow rate, it isn't just 100kg per hour, I think there's is also a maximum peak flow rate.

It's to limit the power from the engine. For short bursts, they could get the power output over 1500hp which would be great for overtaking.

Ah, I see

The races go on for a lot longer than one hour.

I think Red Bull believe that their fuel flow sensors are correct and refused to comply with the instructions to turn it down just to comply with a badly calibrated or unreliable sensor provided by the FIA.

But all the other teams had no difficulty complying and certainly would not take Redbulls hand on heart saying we never went above the flowrate honest .

The Red Bull appeal appears to be built around the "known" inconsistency of the the FIA flow meter.

is the known inconsistency evident when the driver floors it to overtake? To disregard warnings doesn't really make any sense unless you have provable readings to back yourself up with. Back to the speeding thing, if your spedo was dodgy but a copper suggested you were going to fast would you continue or back off.

It seems quite harsh on red Bull

think they tried to swap out the dodgy FIA sensor and were told to swap it back

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/112967

I don't think redbull would try and seek advantage on this. They are based near here and i'm told they re very keen on compliance

of course that doesn't mean that i think the appeal has to suceed

Overtake? I didn't see Daniel get close to overtaking. Not bothered about Red Bull but it is a shame for him. Seems such a nice guy too, none of that tedious Seb style hollerin' over the radio at the end.

Very pleased for Nico and also looking forward to a strong season from Williams.

All the info about the sensor being faulty in that article comes from Christian Horner, so I'd take that with a pinch of salt. I agree with Ricciardo bring a nice bloke though, it did seem a shame when they bumped him off the podium

If the FIA sensors are inconsistent as per Horner's allegations then isn't it a bit odd that RB were the only team who were caught out.

What are the chances of their cars being the only ones who end up with dodgy sensors - his comments make out that the sensors are fundamentally flawed.

Be interesting to see the outcome of the appeal but I can see it being a case of RB being told to FO.

They are based near here and i'm told they re very keen on compliance

you taking the piss? red bull aren't keen on compliance, they're keen on what they can get away with.

From what Horner said to

They had a faulty FIA sensor (FIA issue them to all the teams)
It was dodgy so FIA supplied another which failed
Original sensor refitted and data was officially offset to correct the earlier error.
RB team are arguing that the data from the fuel injectors shows that the fuel rate was correct.
My feeling is that is the all the teams are using the same sensors why aren't they all having problems (especially the Renault engined ones)?