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As indeed we were cheering on Wales during their semi-final run last time out.
The context in which 1966 is usually mentioned is along the lines of 'we haven't won anything for so long' it's not really boasting about it.
It's totally fine if you don't want to support England or even want to see them lose but some of the justifications for why are pretty spurious.
Re the nationalism & flags waving- surely it's a sign of multiculturalism that they're waving the Genoese flag & the 3 lions come from association with Normandy, Aquitaine & Leuven!
The context in which 1966 is usually mentioned is along the lines of ‘we haven’t won anything for so long’ it’s not really boasting about it.
You can't say that - it doesn't fit with the narrative the bitter ones among us choose to roll out.
Has anyone mentioned Narey v Brazil in '82?
How do you know. How much time do you spend listening to others country’s sports programmes?
Unfortunately too much as we get all the English news lumped in with the national news. And if it were just sports programs that would be fine and easy to avoid but it isn't.
Oh Jesus H Corbet!!! You thought that Boris’s shirt was bad, and Priti’s new found love of Football was cynical, then prepare to uncurl your toes as you check out this cringefest
Were there any similar antics in the Spanish parliament?
Lads, it's just football. 22 overpaid kids running around kicking a ball. That's all. Whatever other people project onto says everything about them and nothing at all. Although having seen that Priti Patel pic I feel a need to burn my shirt. Everyone loves a winner, though.
Jingoism is awful and everyone does it. You don't want England to win cos it's close, not cos it's England. If you were in France, Germany, Poland etc. If you were in the US you'd have topped yourself long ago. They don't even have to do anything, it's their default setting.
Sterling isn't the best player on the England side. Mount was superb, It won't be the ref from the other day, if you do a semi, you don't usually get the final. Probably Kupers. Southgate is a smart, thoughtful guy. IpHe out the wind up the football establishment by choosing advisors that were not from football. Because he knows what they know. He needs to know what he doesn't already. A lesson for anyone in any organisation.
Yes the government will turn this to their advantage. No one ever succeeded in politics without that. Yes, they are pulling the old "my people are marching, I must rush to the front to see where I am leading them to". Stuff them. Ask them repeatedly how they feel about being done over by Marcus Rashford, who wouldn't have got a job scrubbing floors at Oxbridge.
I will agree that Any other side dives as much as Italy when 7 of their starting 11 has received a hand check to the chest and gone down holding their face at least twice and pointed to the imaginary mark. Until then....
Get out your St George. Don't boo. Don't make racist comments. For Gods sake don't mention the war.
4321 or 3 at the back do we think?
^ I don't think I have read such an incoherent post on this forum as that one.
don’t think I have read such an incoherent post on this forum as that one.
Just answering a lot of questions in one go. Saves time.
Don't be a dick.
^ I don’t think I have read such an incoherent post on this forum as that one.
Erm, what about this load of old shite from the previous page?
You’ve got to feel for the right wing nationalists who fly the flag of St George as an emblem of identity because at the moment there’s a danger for them that they’ll be mistaken for ‘woke, Marxist England supporters.’
What a flag represents is mutable. As art students we were taught as part of (marxist) critical theory that ‘meaning is subject to context and use’. A bit like wot kerley says.
I know we should get back to talking about the fitba and how Sterling is probably the player of the tournament but to divorce the England team from what is happening in politics is naive. Imagine if England had gone out in the group stage, taking the knee would definitely be taking the blame.
The tories called a war on woke and chose the Euro’s as a battleground and it’s a battle they’ve lost. The England team have succeeded in reclaiming the flag for the moment, those that chose to show their patriotism by boo-ing can’t really take the credit for, or the shine off the teams achievements. Unless we let them.
Should the team triumph on Sunday don’t expect the Sun headline to read “IT WAS WOKE WOT WON IT”, even though that is demonstrably the case. The Tories could only have extracted political capitol out of this if the team had failed and deep down the public knows this now.
After the Germany game, every England victory became a defeat for the government and I find that rather delicious.
Don’t be a dick.
I'll try as long as you make an effort too. 🙄
I’ll try as long as you make an effort too. 🙄
Wasn't addressed at you. It was a precis to make the post more coherent for you.
If it struck a nerve......
I play the ball, not the man.
I will agree that Any other side dives as much as Italy when 7 of their starting 11 has received a hand check to the chest and gone down holding their face at least twice and pointed to the imaginary mark. Until then….
That is why I also support Italy because they are so determine to win they try all tricks including diving, which to me is very funny and entertaining. They make me laugh when they dives but it is part of the game if they can get away with it. Why accuse them of taking the dives when VAR cannot even detect them LOL!
Sorry jambourgie,
Some of that was tounge in cheek, some of it wasn't.
I'm not expecting you to work out which is which but thanks for re-posting.
If it was a bit to difficult for you to get your head around try this for size.
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2021/jul/08/england-and-southgate-stop-divisive-politicians-hijacking-euro-2020-success
/blockquote>I wonder how other government would react if their national team has achieved something, probably the same. Yes, you could hear the guardian reporter's inner thoughts of wanting the outcome to be different. LOL!
Why isn't there a third place play-off game?
Surely UEFA must know that it's a small money spinner?
Because it is almost always dull. Two teams of folk who are by definition ultra competitive dragging themselves through a match they don't want to play in the losers final
But they're not a bore fest, there are usually lots of goals in them. Look at the results Sweden 4-0 Bulgaria, Netherlands 3-0 Uruguay etc
They usually end up more open and with more goals than the final. Belgium 2-0 England in 2018 was quite dull though
My point about the flag waving and jingoism has been totally borne out by the tories on this. Johnson and patel both of whom critised the team now supporting them
foul
all the more reason why proper fans shouldn't withdraw and leave it to them.
I wonder.... if they win (maybe even if not) they'll be invited to a reception at #10. I'd be tempted to make that a matter of choice for the players. Like Johnny Marr telling Dave Cameron he'd rather he doesn't play his music, Sterling and Rashford and all saying that they'd rather not thanks, would send the frothers into super froth.
Or turn up, for a lovely reception in the Rose Garden, and insist on the team photo being taken with the team taking a knee.
That is why I also support Italy because they are so determine to win they try all tricks including diving, which to me is very funny and entertaining. They make me laugh when they dives but it is part of the game if they can get away with it. Why accuse them of taking the dives when VAR cannot even detect them LOL!
Because football is 'the beautiful game' and teams that win by playing clever intricate football are much nicer to watch than those who roll around on the floor?
Your troll character is at least consistent and not limited to politics, though.
My point about the flag waving and jingoism has been totally borne out by the tories on this. Johnson and patel both of whom critised the team now supporting them
Tbh it can be seen as the opposite up here, I remember when us Rangers fans made up the biggest segment of the Scotland support, but a lot of them now see the national team as being hijacked by the nationalists for their own agenda.
I'm a nationalist and a Rangers fan (there's lots more of us than the dam busters boys would have you believe) so it doesn't bother me, but even if I wasn't, bloody sure I wouldn't be letting anyone hijack my nation, if that was the way I felt.
I remember when us Rangers fans made up the biggest segment of the Scotland support, but a lot of them now see the national team as being hijacked by the nationalists for their own agenda.
Ah yes - the logic and sense of the rangers fan!
insist on the team photo being taken with the team taking a knee.
Despite my earlier point about this thread degenerating into more culture wars tedium, this is a magnificent idea.
Perhaps someone could take a picture of Rashford spontaneously taking a knee in front of BoJo (instead of shaking hands) when they inevitably meet. That would be so great.
Looking forward to Sunday! The football fan in me wants Italy to win - they have the best anthem by far, one of the classic kits and this Italy team plays beautiful football, they've been so good to watch.
As a Scot, by default I want England to lose. Someone earlier made the point that an England fan would cheer Scotland on if we were in this position. That's nice, but reflects the historical power imbalance between us, it's no skin off your English nose to grant us your support.
I like this England team though, especially as they're the de facto opposition to the Tory government, and there's plenty of admirable role models in your dressing room. Politics is inseparable from football, just as it's inseparable from everything else. Those who would suggest otherwise just don't want you thinking about it. I'd be delighted for this England team if they won, just as I'd be delighted for the vast majority of England fans. If only there were some way to separate the minority of boorish racists and shameless opportunists so they don't get to feel they've won!
Can't see England prevailing though - too one-dimensional going forward, albeit a pretty effective dimension. Italy's full-backs won't be so easy to get in behind and I'd be surprised if it was as easy to win as many free-kicks around the edge of the box. Rice and Phillips will be England's key players, as so much of Italy's invention comes through Insigne and Chiesa. If they get the chance to play, you're up against it. Good luck though!
Ah yes – the logic and sense of
thesome rangers fans!
FTFY
Don't you mean one Rangers fan?
I won't be sorry if England win. I think it could go a long way to ridding them of the old hooligan/flag bothering element. Somebody on the radio the other morning talked about how the atmosphere was much friendlier. My other half now wants to go to a football match, she'll be in for a shock if we take her to an Aberdeen - Rangers match.
Don’t you mean one Rangers fan?
Nope, only the bangers you see out and about. It's like assuming all Celtic fans are provos and all Hibs fans are spoon burners.
Aberdeen? Christ, there's a fun bunch!, I was in a pub after a course in the city when Motherwell pumped them 3-0 oot the cup a few years back, I've never experienced an atmosphere like it.
I just want to say ( 'cos I have made a few negative posts) that i am seriously impressed with the way the england team and manager have conducted themselves.
makes the flag waving politicians look really stupid
2tyred
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Looking forward to Sunday!
Great post that 2tyred. As a 50/50 eng/scot I totally get what you are saying.
i am seriously impressed with the way the england team and manager have conducted themselves.
I have to agree with this - thankfully we have a strong core of believably honest players such as Kane, Sterling, Phillips and Rashford led by a manager who is a breath of fresh air. This means that the players that could be perceived to be a bit more old-school 'lads' with a bit of previous such as Maguire and Grealish (who would have been the first in the 'dentist's chair' in an England team of old) haven't become the focus of media attention.
I would more impressed with the England team if they took a stand against the boooing by England fans of the opposing teams national anthem.
Sitting where I am it is ****ing embarrassing. Has nothing to do with sportsmanship and the players should make a point that it isn't cool.
I'd be more impressed if instead of saying England fans, you said 'a small but vocal minority of nobheads'
As I said a page or two back, I've been at games where the majority of the crowd observe them perfectly and 'shush' the nobheads.
The FA frequently requests it to be respected. Including right before the anthem itself.
I've a confession to make
The front of my house is festooned with England flags.
But please done judge me too harshly STW, when the tournament started the lad (aged 10) asked can we have a flag out and I told him if we reach the final then yes we could.
So my dastardly plan has failed and I couldn't be more delighted.... especially for the boy.
I've just been sent this, which made me laugh 😀
Whats a fitting punishment for the lazers? to me it should be england thrown out and a denmark italy final. I doubt anyone else would agree tho
You think a finalist should be thrown out of the tournament because of one nobhead 'fan'?
Yes, thats seems entirely proportionate.
What are your views on shoplifters? Hands chopped off, I presume?
because the lazers may well have affected the outcome of the game and as a deterrent to stop future instances
I doubt anyone else would agree tho
TJ, away oot in yer bike or something!
So what your saying is that anything that potentially 'affected the outcome of the game' should mean the team would be booted out of the tournament?
I look forward to the World Cup next year where all the teams taking part are disqualified before we're half way through the first group stage
I look forward to the World Cup next year where all the teams taking part are disqualified before we’re half way through the first group stage
Yep - and if a team are losing then a fan could shine a laser on one of their own players to get the other team booted out so they can progress.
TJs plan needs a little more deep thought...
What's a lazer?
just want to say ( ‘cos I have made a few negative posts) that i am seriously impressed with the way the england team and manager have conducted themselves.
I do entirely agree with this sentiment, though.
Its why I'll probably lend them my support on Sunday, especially if they play positively amid a typical display of Italian "gamesmanship"
I would more impressed with the England team if they took a stand against the booing by England fans of the opposing teams national anthem.
To be fair at least its a step forward from booing their own players