[Closed] The Emporers Not Wearing any clothes....

Aristotle: there you go, thats where the whole religion business is a problem for me, however that is not to say that the basic tennents are wrong, but overall I reckon about the time that you start pontificating to other people about how what you beleive is the one true way etc etc that then also coincides with the appropriate time for bringing out the ducking stool and stocks.

Actually, thinking about it that also holds true for politicians too.

Berm Bandit - Member

I reckon about the time that you start pontificating to other people about how what you beleive is the one true way etc etc that then also coincides with the appropriate time for bringing out the ducking stool and stocks

Indeed.

I do wonder if the leaders of the various religions genuinely believe that a "Higher Being" has passed the various (changing periodically) rules of their club to them, though, rather than it being them forcing their own prejudices onto other people.

the most senior catholic in the UK describing gay marriage as a

"grotesque subversion of a universally accepted human right".

if thats not spreading prejudice i dont know what is

Are you sure that was a general comment about gay marriage, and not just the bit where they touch each others bottoms?

You know I remember reading that quote and being rather puzzled by it. If it is a unversally accpeted human right then why are they trying to deny it to some people? There are few conclusions that could be drawn, the most charitable of which is that whoever came up with it was being a bit stupid.

When will STW grow the bollocks to confront the increasing problem with Islam in the UK? Or is it only brave enough to ridicule Christianity?

getting back to the OP

i think beckham ought to pay less attention to bottoms too

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@kimbers

That is brilliant! 😆

When will STW grow the bollocks to confront the increasing problem with Islam in the UK?

I don't really think that's our responsibility. We could have a chat about the beards if you like

enfht - Member

When will STW grow the bollocks to confront the increasing problem with Islam in the UK?

Oh, O.K.

Islam.

Arse. Pheck.

i think youll find that from the safety of my pc ill ridicule any religion I like

they are basically all the same, especially islam/christianity/judaism

enfht - Member

When will STW grow the bollocks to confront the increasing problem with Islam in the UK? Or is it only brave enough to ridicule Christianity?

Go on then you start off...

I'd be careful ridiculing Islam though! They don't like that. You'll probably be ok unless you decide to illustrate your point with pictures. There was a bit of a hoo-ha last time someone did that

When will STW grow the bollocks to confront the increasing problem with Islam in the UK

But those guys are nutters; they get all angry and stuff.

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Thought it was ironic that the vatican got struck by lightning just after the Pope resigned. Reminded me of York minster going up in smoke.

People will always ask 'is there a God? what is the point to all of this'. Others just wont care. I'm sure many (myself included) would say they have had some sort of spiritual experience that transcends this world and leaves people asking deeper questions. You cant prove or disprove it - hence faith in the unseen.

The church has done alot wrong that is totally hypocritical but has made some positive contributions - Mother Teresa, Martin Luther King. But it should get back to demonstrating it's strengths of standing alongside the marginalised and come from a place of humbleness and acceptance of those who are different.

Doing away with religion or faith as advocated by many is just not going to happen. Or the more you try the stronger peoples' faith will become.

dukeduvet - Member

People will always ask 'is their a God? what is the point to all of this'. Others just wont care. I'm sure many (myself included) would say they have had some sort of spiritual experience that transcends this world and leaves them asking deeper questions. You cant prove or disprove it - hence faith in the unseen.

When something happens to you that you can't explain, you presumably do not know what has brought it about, so it's not really [i]faith[/i] is it?

Is it not more a case of [b]hope[/b] that the meaning you have projected onto the situation might possibly be correct?

Having said that, I suppose that it could be [i]faith[/i] in something [i]traditional[/i] that somebody else, who also can't demonstrate or prove it, has told you to be true.

Religions may have done some "good things", but that is not their raison d'être.

you can use pictures to depict the prophet hes just gotta be all flamey headed

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The chester beaty library in dublin has collections of illustrated manuscripts from all major religions,

including my favourite, [url= http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manichaeism ]Manichaeism[/url]

just because it was so widespread at one point that it couldve overtaken christianity and was later suppressed by the church

binners - Member

Wouldn't this be an ecumenical matter?

all christians must be nutters!

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Aristotle, what have Hope and their cnc'd goodies got to do with this?!

that seems to be exactly what the Christian faith is all about - hope and that it will be fulfilled.

Kimbers my post was completely tongue in cheek. I even have Muslim friends. Plus my cousin is married to a Kenyan man so I can't be racist

dukeduvet - Member
that seems to be exactly what the Christian faith is all about - hope and that it will be fulfilled.

What are the chances of the thing you are hoping for actually being correct though?

Plus my cousin is married to a Kenyan man so I can't be racist

Hats off there Alex. Post of the year for me, that 😆

well we will all have to wait and see eh!

arent we all kenyans?

http://humanorigins.si.edu/research/east-african-research/adventures-rift-valley-interactive

arent we all kenyans?

Hell yes

This is an interesting point. I personally don't think we should abandon religion because of one or two perverts. I think we should abandon it because [s]its[/s] [i]I Berm Bandit think it is[/i] patently absurd.

FTFY

Besides we have better systems of control for society now anyway

Control society...? Yes of course we do... Or perhaps not!

alex222 - Member
arent we all kenyans?
Hell yes

I am, and so is my wife! 😀

She's travelled, then? Is she from Purley?

think we should abandon it because its I Berm Bandit think it is patently absurd

Just for the record thats not what I said.

t'was I

and I stand buy it.

Can you honestly say the world wouldn't be a better place if we just stopped following religions?

Women in almost all Muslim countries would definitely thank you for it.
Homosexuals in just about every country would thank you for it too.

Sorry Mr Bandit for attributing that to you in error. Apologies to you RichMTB as well. I was mistaken.

RichMTB. If you have abandoned religion because you believe it is absurd that is your prerogative. However, whilst you may think that it doesn't mean others have to abandon it as well. This is what I read into as the "we" in your statement.

Can you honestly say the world wouldn't be a better place if we just stopped following religions?

Most depressing and boring comment of the thread.

I don't like organised religion (I do believe in a beardy wizard in the sky who thinks we should love each other.). Rich you are making some sweeping statements which you can't at all back up.

Women in almost all Muslim countries would definitely thank you for it.

Homosexuals in just about every country would thank you for it too.

Can you honestly say the world wouldn't be a better place if we just stopped following religions?

Can you say it will be? Or will the lust for power and greed continue without the thin veil of religion as an excuse?

Would they really? How do you know this

Maybe he's omnipotent? 😉

Maybe... 😉

I don't like organised religion

See in my view you can't unpick the organised bit from religion.

If it isn't organised than surely its a spiritual belief rather than a religion?

To be honest I have absolutely nothing against anyone's sincerely held spiritual beliefs they are free to them so long as they keep them to themselves and don't request special privileges (like tax exemption).

You're right though I don't have access to the opinions of millions of women. Perhaps I have misjudged Saudi Arabia's record on women's rights (as one example)

Or moving way from Islam, how about anti-abortion laws in the US justified on biblical grounds?

Do I need to mentioned the Catholic Churches official view on contraception.

This is before we delve into the plethora of conflicts around the globe kept going by religious sectarianism.

And I don't accept the argument that we would all start becoming shits to each other if we abandoned religion.

We don't adopt our morals from religion.
I don't need to be rewarded in heaven to be nice to other people.

Joey da Rat is going back on da street, husslin wid da pimps n tricks, some other guy in a long black dress gonna be da new boss walla......

And I don't accept the argument that we would all start becoming shits to each other if we abandoned religion.

Me neither - I think nothing would change for either better or worse...,

You're right though I don't have access to the opinions of millions of women. Perhaps I have misjudged Saudi Arabia's record on women's rights (as one example)
Or moving way from Islam, how about anti-abortion laws in the US justified on biblical grounds?
Do I need to mentioned the Catholic Churches official view on contraception.

I don't disagree these are negative things. However you were suggesting that people you see as oppressed (as they may be) would universally thank you for removing religion. Your above statement doesn't support that notion at all.

would universally thank you for removing religion

You'd me murdered for even suggesting it more like.

The Emperors Not Wearing any clothes....

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Its not about religion, everyone does something for something.

David Beckham's reward is easy to see, people who volunteer or take on responsibility without remuneration also seek reward, could be power or forgiveness or access to the young.

Economics init.

You old cynic .......

Reminds me of a debate I partook of once, the premise being that we are all motivated by selfishness. All went well until one individual launched into a tirade about how he ran a youth club and didn't do it for any reward. The punch line being [i]I do it because I enjoy it [/i]..... it ended not long after as the rest of us were hopelessly rolling in the aisles