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We'll potentially be charging at home..... there's also the possibility of free charging at uni (hopefully I'll be doing a PhD from September).
The long range thing is a funny one, as I say, it's kind of occasional, but can be 2 or 3 nights per week doing 200+ mile round trips literally all over the country. At the minute I've not got much booked in, it's all a bit up in the air really. I can likely borrow a none electric car for some of these instances though.
I'll have a look at the Ioniq....I'd got in my mind that they were really expensive? Saw a Mégane I think, at Tesco the other day that I liked the look of. My wife of course has a shortlist of the massive Audi, the Mustang and the Jaguar iPace 🤦
I’ll have a look at the Ioniq….I’d got in my mind that they were really expensive?
There's the older Ioniq Electric, which is the older car that I have with 190 miles of range; then there's the unrelated Ioniq 5 and 6 (don't ask what happened to Ioniqs 2, 3 and 4) which are newer. The Ioniq Electric is extremely efficient but charges very slowly; the 5 and 6 are less efficient but are essentially the fastest charging cars if you find a charger that can provide the power.
Or you can buy my Leaf 🙂 110-150 miles of range but cheap...
try Comcar.co.uk
You can input salary etc to see effect on take home pay of various choices. IIRC you can input mileage etc and allowance if it’s an option to see if car vs allowance is best
For reasons I still can't fathom there's so much utter bollocks on here about Teslas. Had one for three years, it's great. Someone the other day said with authority that you have go in a sub-menu to turn the interior lights on. You don't, the lights themselves are the buttons, but Musk is a bell end so it must be true.
I also won’t buy anything for VW or from Mr Musk. Which is a shame as I like the ID Buzz and the Porsche Taycan…C’est la vie.
I still can’t fathom there’s so much utter bollocks on here about Teslas
I agree.
I went for a test drive in a M3 and a MY - both were really nice cars and no issues to use any controls even on a first drive. If the M3 was a hatchback rather than saloon there's a good chance I'd have got one.
For reasons I still can’t fathom there’s so much utter bollocks on here about Teslas
Well...you and "the ex" have one.... Makes you think doesn't it..... 🧐🧐🧐🤨🤔
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I also won’t buy anything for VW
That seems odd to me. Some execs were evil, but they don't run the company any more. I doubt that they are just brushing it under the carpet and carrying on as normal, purely because the level of scrutiny would be so high. What they did was so high profile their only option is to be whiter than white from now on.
For reasons I still can’t fathom there’s so much utter bollocks on here about Teslas.
Its because some people hate Musk so try to influence others not to buy the product by criticising it in any way they can think of including utter bollocks. People don't realise that without Tesla EVs would be 10 years behind where they are now. Politicians are OK to ban ICE and set ZEV mandates despite the foot dragging and negative lobbying from legacy OEMs because Tesla have proved EVs are a practical proposition.
What they did was so high profile their only option is to be whiter than white from now on.
VAG are repeat offenders so I'm going to bookmark this one.
Its because some people hate Musk so try to influence others not to buy the product by criticising it in any way they can think of including utter bollocks.
Musk is a crypto fascist hellbent on domination and ultimate control with the aid of his tech buddies such as Peter Theil and his ilk, the freak has been believing his own hype for years and the sooner his self driving car drives him into a concrete freeway barrier the better.
Dunno bout his cars, the only Tesla I’ve seen in real life (rural Galloway) is a p100d with the lift up rear doors in local tesco
I have friends who work for Tesla and SpaceX. They love the work, but hate the job. Most are clinging on for stock options and will quit ASAP. They work extremely long hours and are genuinely afraid for their jobs such is the cult of EM that there’s a queue of people who want to work there. Musk is the Rockafella of his age, making his billions by leveraging the taxpayer, squeezing the workforce, skirting regulation and paying as little personal tax is he can get away with.
Bill Gates might have made billions, but he didn’t do it by shitting on the little guys and leveraging huge tax breaks to do it.
That’s why I don’t like Musk. Musk didn’t start Tesla. He was employed by them and gradually took over. Tesla would’ve happened with or without Musk due to the 2008 financial crisis, bailouts for auto makers and tax breaks for low emissions. Tesla is a success due to serendipitous circumstances. Musk’s great skill is in navigating money, resources and political will and selling a vision. Neither Tesla nor SpaceX could’ve made it without the government and the financial crisis.
Twitter is proof of what happens when he ties to do something on his own. AI is proof of his fallibility and pure self drive is proof of his hubris.
Tesla M3/My are great products and arguably still the yardstick by which other EVs are judged, but do I want one given the above? Nah.
VW did brush it all under the rug. Why do you think VW went EV faster than anyone else? To try and hide their diesel shame. And just look, it’s worked. VW are good again, despite knowingly producing millions of vehicles that produced upto 3 times the emissions that they said they did.
If their EVs started to fall behind like their Diesel engines did (vs BMW and Jaguar) would they cut corners again to steady their market share? You bet your ass they would.
Does anyone know of a site you can search cars by p11d value, going to look at electric option.
Comcar.co.uk has always been the company car drivers friend
I have friends who work for Tesla and SpaceX. They love the work, but hate the job. Most are clinging on for stock options and will quit ASAP.
Unless Musk sacks them for daring to disagree with him. Or even not rabidly agreeing with him.
I'm sure it's been asked/answered somewhere but is there somewhere that summarises what EVs can take a towbar? I'm not worried about weight - it's just for my towball mounted bike rack - but it's a deal breaker for me as I'm not going back to putting muddy bikes in cars!
If you refused to buy all products from companies that had one or many dicks at the top you might not have many things left….
Bill Gates might have made billions, but he didn’t do it by shitting on the little guys and leveraging huge tax breaks to do it.
Without wishing to derail this thread - that's just not true. Gates was an absolute ****er to employees and competitors for most of his time in charge of MS. Sure he's now an incredible philanthropist doing amazing things but let's not re-write history.
But for sure Musk is an over-promising, under-delivering fascist tosser that I'm sure many execs at Tesla wish wasn't there anymore (although much of their over-inflated stock price is because of his continued cult of personality)
VW did brush it all under the rug. Why do you think VW went EV faster than anyone else? To try and hide their diesel shame.
That's not my reading of it. The entire industry has done that, except for Toyota who have now done it a bit later.
despite knowingly producing millions of vehicles that produced upto 3 times the emissions that they said they did
Loads of cars did that. Have a look at the real-world tests of NOx emissions. The difference with VW is the way they did it which was very deliberate, naked and obvious. I'm not saying VW are good, all I'm saying that is that because they were busted so spectacularly (and probably because they are German, and the German authorities absolutely do not mess about) they are likely to be on their best behaviour from now on.
I’m sure it’s been asked/answered somewhere but is there somewhere that summarises what EVs can take a towbar?
There is a site, hang on...
https://towcar.info/all-EV.php
This lists tow cars, which by definition you can get towballs for. There is the option of the Thule rack-only adapter thingy, which was available back in the day for cars that were not homologated for towing - but I'm not sure it's actually available in the UK as it's impossible to find.
Loads of cars did that. Have a look at the real-world tests of NOx emissions. The difference with VW is the way they did it which was very deliberate, naked and obvious.
You must be reading different reports to me then.
VW ignored the very badly written legislation and still did something that was absolutely and *explicitly* illegal.
Just about everyone else worked within the very badly written legislation and had *perfectly legal* but morally dubious solutions that gave awful emissions if you didn't drive exactly as the (badly written) legislation told you to.
FWIW, the new legislation is also terribly written and moderately easy to circumvent given a few days , a couple of brainy people and a total lack of morals.
VW ignored the very badly written legislation and still did something that was absolutely and *explicitly* illegal.
Just about everyone else worked within the very badly written legislation and had *perfectly legal* but morally dubious solutions that gave awful emissions if you didn’t drive exactly as the (badly written) legislation told you to.
That's what I meant. Most manufacturers were/are knowingly emitting more than they should.
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I’m sure it’s been asked/answered somewhere but is there somewhere that summarises what EVs can take a towbar?
There is a site, hang on…https://towcar.info/all-EV.php
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thanks @molgrips that's very helpful 🙂
Only VW had the bonnet open defeat feature.
retrorick
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Electric car mayhem 😉
New article about the story.
Most manufacturers were/are knowingly emitting more than they should.
No, they were emitting what the (badly written) legislation allowed them to.
https://towcar.info/all-EV.php
/blockquote>Doesn't seem to include my Kia Soul which has a towbar.
It's weird how there is a thread about diesel emissions compensation being nonsense as it is rubbish as no-one has suffered, and this thread where VW is Evil Inc and are actually murdering people.
I have a Buzz Cargo, got it end of July last year. So I can chat about the platform, range and drive feel but not the cabin finish or the rear seats, although we did test drive the car version. Why would you not book a test drive for long enough to test the range? We did 20 miles in the first test, it was winter and dark, managed over 3m/kWh, which compared to the E-Expert we had at the time was amazing. 3 is 'best conditions 40mph summer run' number in the Peugeot.
Second test drive was in the cargo and arranged through the commercial side, I told them I needed to load test it fully (stick bikes in it!) then do a full range test. I picked it up with 80% in -3 degrees, returned it at the end of the day having driven over 135 miles. From memory about 15% left. 3m/kWh again. Mix of dual, motorway, a roads, town etc.
If you want to test it fully just book a day, they should accommodate. Take the family away, pack some miles in, do some charging, whatever. They might even let you keep it overnight if you ask nicely.
I would like it to be a bit bigger in the back, but everything else has been spot on. Summer was 3.5-4.5m/kWh. Charging is fast - drove back from Core bike show in 7 degrees, 355 miles with a single 40min charge stop and 25% remaining when I got back. Having a slightly faster 11kw AC charger is great for charging while you ride, if you can find the right kind of post. Comrie Croft is great for that 😁
The only other thing on your radar should be the E-Custom Tourino, but they seem to have forgotten about launching that. They said it would launch late 23.
Don't go near any of the Peugeot group ones. It was really pants. Would have been easier to live with if we had a home charger, but it was near enough use it, you charge it. Driving to test the Buzz, a cold frosty start and 50% ISH on the battery, it made it 10 miles to the dealer and back and was nearly in the red. Terrible range estimation too.
Ford Mach-E review: much better than the Enyaq, still not as good as the Tesla. No heat pump. 2.7 miles / kWh on the way home from the dealer ‘cos they said I could keep it for the weekend.
I score it as “OK” - adaptive cruise is fine, but Ford went to the same discount retailer that VAG use in order to get the latest 1982 BBC Micro to run the infotainment.
This is what makes touchscreens dangerous. In the Tesla I can jab a button on the screen and know that it’s going to work. The Ford uses the same logic as self-checkout machines at the supermarket: acknowledge the button push but don’t do anything.
Plastic is a bit scratchy, screen position is weird (why isn’t it tilted towards the driver?), and all of the icons for DAB stations show little crosses. It does have wireless Android Auto though. Not convinced it’s a nice environment for hours at a time. And the windscreen is tiny.
Stuck my head into the local VW dealership to try to see the ID7. “Sorry, the manager is driving our only ID7 and he’s on holiday”.
Need to try to get a drive in a Polestar 2 next.
Sorry, the manager is driving our only ID7
I had versions of this multiple times when EV shopping. It made me really quite cross as surely the point of demonstrators is to, well demonstrate the car to customers, not as a personal runaround for the manager, finance director or whatever. My guess is they’re classed as company cars hence the low BiK rates make them appealing.
It’s weird how there is a thread about diesel emissions compensation being nonsense as it is rubbish as no-one has suffered, and this thread where VW is Evil Inc and are actually murdering people.
That's because the people suffering aren't the ones getting compensation. The ones claiming are owners claiming compensation for the emotional trauma of emitting NOx, which most people don't give two hoots about they are just grabbing free money.
A lawsuit by people who live in cities with lung problems would be much more legitimate.
Need to try to get a drive in a Polestar 2 next
If you're anywhere near the South Coast you're welcome to a fanny around in mine...
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The ones claiming are owners claiming compensation for the emotional trauma of emitting NOx, which most people don’t give two hoots about they are just grabbing free money.
considering the pro portion of parents sitting outside their kids school with engines idling away its fairly clear that most people don’t give a *^%* about pollution.
It’s weird how there is a thread about diesel emissions compensation being nonsense as it is rubbish as no-one has suffered, and this thread where VW is Evil Inc and are actually murdering people.
Its not weird. The posters in the other thread are wrong.
https://phys.org/news/2017-09-dieselgate-deaths-europe-year.html
5,000 people in Europe alone. Its just that we'll never know their names.
Need to try to get a drive in a Polestar 2 next
They have test drive centres dotted about. I'm taking a performance spec one out from Meadowhall tomorrow
VW is going to be squeaky clean from now on
🤣🤣🤣 well, not in terms of their fleet emission profile - still a heavy petrol and diesel car producer. And in terms of their business practices and adherence to legislation? I guess we’ll see.
The leaf lease deal is now applied to purchased leafs too. Guess a new one is coming out? Either way, nearly 9k off seems good https://www.nationwide-cars.co.uk/cars/nissan/leaf/110kw-n-connecta-39kwh-5dr-auto-100105/
Re leaf, yes. Production of current one not far off ending (it may have already I’ll check). I’ve heard the new leaf is very tasty.
well, not in terms of their fleet emission profile – still a heavy petrol and diesel car producer.
Just like every other legacy manufacturer. I don't see them being any less keen than the others to electrify.
no experience but interested to hear how you get on. 3 kids and a dog severely limit EV choices and the Buzz worked out surprisingly cheap on my company car scheme, but when i looked a bit closer, the back seats looked really uncomfortable and didn’t have the flexibility of the newer long wheelbase version that’s on its way. not been inside one though. all based on pictures/videos
Took it out today for around 6 hours just doing what I would normally do work wise. Covered around 130 miles , with approx 100 of those on motorway / dual carriageway at around 70 mph. Took a large box of steel profiles from one site to another ( approx 300kg) 45 miles apart.
Picked the kid up from school in it. He reported the rear seats were comfy for him. They slide back and forth ( not by a huge amount) and the backs can recline a bit.
Boot space is ample. It should swallow up most of the gear an average family lugs around. This one was a first edition model , so had leccy seats , but the side doors and tailgate were manual.
Apple car play worked just as it should.
Outside of car play , the interface was good enough . Nothing like as good as the iX3 I had previously, but it all seemed to work. The info screen behind the wheel gives you enough info .
It drove effortlessly (as most of the EV’s I have driven do).
Didnt realise you could change the drive mode ( so I don’t know what I was in ) but I returned 2.9m/kwh without trying hard , so at 10 degrees external temp , I was happy with that.
There are a couple of suitable vehicles kicking around in their system ready for delivery, so I just need to push them a bit harder on the price. I’m guessing with the LWB model coming soon ( no dates or prices confirmed) and the financial year almost over that I might be able to push them . No harm in putting a cheeky offer in .
He did mention a £6k VW contribution if I finance some of it ( did this with a T5 years ago and was quids in ).
good stuff. having been stung for £1k today to replace the fan in my 10 year old ICE MPV I am keen to make a change. I have invested 100% of its current market value in the last two years + diesel, and it still needs new tyres
the style pro (£63k rrp i think) is 45o/month lease on salary sacrifice from Octopus EV (2 years , 15kmiles per year) includes service, insurance, charger and 4000 miles worth of juice. Due September-November.
A bit less than i thought - quite a lot less than other comparable cars. with interest rates hopefully coming back down a bit and EV prices dropping, i wonder if it's worth holding on a bit longer
dacia spring pricing announced - £14995 is the headline price which is pretty good, albeit with a wheezy (45bhp) engine and short (137 mile official - so maybe 100 mile in reality) range. Good enough for city driving or a second car.
It'll be interesting to see whether 45bhp is enough for motorway driving - it only weighs a tonne so might be ok
I think that Spring is a very interesting car, and could work for a lot of people.
Only thing that would put me off is the likely NCAP rating. The previous generation Spring had a rating of 1, and the current Duster is at 3. Hopefully the new Spring will be a step up from the last one.
EDIT: just seen it’s a brand new platform, so fingers crossed.
My Leaf is better value than that Dacia 🙂
It’ll be interesting to see whether 45bhp is enough for motorway driving – it only weighs a tonne so might be ok
Be fine with a long enough slip road (19ish secs 0-60)