[Closed] Thatcher's died according to BBC

So, your defence of Denis is that the previous lot created the economic mess, and he was burdened with trying to sort it out...

How on earth did you come to the conclusion that I was 'defending Dennis'......because I pointed out that the Tories were no better ? 😀

Don't get me wrong, I'd love to be able to vote against Labour, but unfortunately all I can do is vote for someone else.

Here's the rest of your post I cut-please elaborate

Sorry; will not bother reading, obviously. 🙂

Don't remember Thatcher bailing out the banks, think that may have been good old socialist Gorden Brown.

Ah, the right wing trying to distance themselves from Blair and Brown by calling them "socialists." 😆

I would also wonder how many of the predicable Thatcher bashers were even around at the time.

I was, not event from the North, but the home counties, so one would expect someone like me to be a tory voter...only I don't lack humanity to be one.

Then you won't have been disappointed.

I have no idea if you believe what you type - who knows you might just be that stupid but I doubt it and think you want to goad folk
Good Luck - watch Rattrap and learn young paddawan 😉

Err - i belive i said not much in the way of qualifications - C&G in agri engineering.

Ah, sorry, i foolishly took this to mean that you got no worthwhile quals

No troll, rightly or wrongly there was nobody to rely on so you just got on with it - nothing else to do. Sit on your arse getting bitter or make something of it.

Good for you, did you eve pause to think how we ended up in such a situation?

Hold on, the political big-hitters have been rolled out!

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Err - i believe i said not much in the way of qualifications - C&G in agri engineering.

In the 80s and 90s at least, that trade would have been a reliable source of employment. How do you think you'd have got on in the steel or coal industry at the age of 53?

Ahhhh, i miss tractors,

Nipper99 - Member

Having left school in 1984 with not much in the way of qualification

Nipper99 - Member

Err - i belive i said not much in the way of qualifications - C&G in agri engineering.

You "left school" with C&G in agri engineering ? Something doesn't ring true 😕

No, he left college in 84 at 18, no 83, no hold on, what ever year it was that allows you to have voted for maggie twice,

ernie he left school in 84 [ with not much in the way of qualification] but got the qualification from college in 83 @ age 18 ] hence he could vote for her twice

Can he make it any clearer 😯

Clear as mud innit 😕

I shall file you under W for whatever

I like this 🙂

ernie he left school in 84 [ with not much in the way of qualification] but got the qualification from college in 83 @ age 18 ] hence he could vote for her twice

Can he make it any clearer

I'm going to go out on a limb here and suggest he meant he left college at age 19 or something.

Regardless, the industry he was qualified for was far more stable than traditional heavy industry. Which was dying on its arse.

Junkyard - Member

Well not as disappointed as you have that your pages and pages of input have not raised that much response. I shall file you under W for whatever

I have no idea if you believe what you type - who knows you might just be that stupid but I doubt it and think you want to goad folk

I'm not goading anyone, other than in your words, the stupid. That is anyone that doesn't agree with me, otherwise known as the gospel according to Junkyard.
I admire Thatcher, she made it to the top of a totally male dominated world, even if she did have many failings, which I have never denied.

All I called for was a bit of respect, but the lefties wouldn't have it, and seeing as you too have chosen to be rude rather than have conversation, I'm out.

I was brought up to never speak ill of the dead and if i couldn't think of one good thing to say about someone then it was best to keep quiet.............. but seeing as i had a txt from my dad this afternoon stating "the bitch is dead!" i say to hell with what i was taught .........c'mon?..............lets party like it's 1999.

I see that a crowd has gathered in Glasgow's George square to mourn her passing 😉

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It's a long way to Glasgow. Do you have anything nearer me?

I can never be crass enough to revel in the passing of another person. ultimately it just reflects badly on your true character.

Hated her politics but I can't help feeling there will be a lot of people feeling strangely empty having carried such hate buried deep in their hearts for so long. Such a waste of energy and time that could have been spent on better things and a more positive life view.

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Has Morrissey spoken yet?

Has Morrissey spoken yet?

Why? How many people voted for him?

The amount of energy and passion the Left has thrown into hating an ageing, confused old woman, probably goes a long way to explain the complete and utter triumph of the Right.

Now, for proper Thatcher Porn - The way she says it...

The amount of energy and passion the Left has thrown into hating an ageing, confused old woman, probably goes a long way to explain the complete and utter triumph of the Right.

She wasn't old and confused at the time

If I knew you were going
I'd have baked a cake
Baked a cake, baked a cake

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Good riddance to the evil witch. Not religious, but if there is hell, I hope she rots in it

The amount of energy and passion the Left has thrown into hating an ageing, confused old woman, probably goes a long way to explain the complete and utter triumph of the Right.

What three labour election victories

Sorry, I thought everyone agreed that Blair was a Thatcherite...

It was Gordon the socialist (nationalising the banks) who spannered it into the wilderness

Of course Morissey has spoken, from the bbc news ticker - all hail our great leader Morissey!....

Ex-Smiths singer Morrissey, a long-time critic of the former PM who berated her in songs such as Margaret On The Guillotine, says she was "barbaric" and "without an atom of humanity", adding that "every move she made was charged by negativity".

Perhaps he'll speak his mind later on when he's had time to form an opinion.

You work yourself up into such a confused state sometimes Zulu.

Junkyard - Member
The amount of energy and passion the Left has thrown into hating an ageing, confused old woman, probably goes a long way to explain the complete and utter triumph of the Right.

What three labour election victories then a hung parliament after the biggest recession - WHAT A TRIUMPH

Hardly, all that resulted was Labour having to reinvent itself to be more like her to become elected and now we have no viable alternative on the left

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/margaret-thatcher-dead-morrissey-blasts-1818903

The amount of energy and passion the Left has thrown into hating an ageing, confused old woman, probably goes a long way to explain the complete and utter triumph of the Right.

There's a great deal of truth in that comment.

EDIT : In fact I've checked and it sounds remarkably like something I posted a year ago :

But the Soft Left in British politics prefers to concentrate on Thatcher the person, to vilify her personally, and to hold her up as a hate figure - putting personalty before policies. Which not only shows a lack of political maturity and awareness, but also goes a long way in explaining why the Left in Britain has been completely ineffective for the last thirty years.

An old, very sick person, died in a hotel from her final of many strokes a few hours ago, having lived around ten years with dementia.

How she led her life is only the result of how she was brought up.

That is ALL she was.

As are YOU.

Debate her pros and cons fine, there's a lot to discuss, but some of the comments here are just screaming erectile dysfunction.

RIP to a sick old woman.

Wow - Me and Ernie in agreement on something,

Hell really has froz...see - she's arrived 😉

Wow - Me and Ernie in agreement on something

Indeed. And on the day of Thatcher's death no less. No one could have predicted this.

He also hates the guardian reading lefties as well so who knew how much common ground you had 😉

FWIW that thread and that post [and I assume others on that theme]made me consider it and you did raise some excellent points about personalities and the failings of the left

It changed my view hence I "celebrate" this event less than I would have done so i am just unmoved rather than pleased

For what its worth, There was a very good, quite touching reflection on her by Gorbachev in the Guardian

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2013/apr/08/mikhail-gorbachev-margaret-thatcher-death

He also hates the guardian reading lefties .......

Well hate is a word you use, but the logic follows from this statement.

[i]"But the Soft Left in British politics prefers to concentrate on Thatcher the person, to vilify her personally, and to hold her up as a hate figure - putting personalty before policies. Which not only shows a lack of political maturity and awareness, but also goes a long way in explaining why the Left in Britain has been completely ineffective for the last thirty years."[/i]

BTW I do read the Guardian.

Doctors tonight have described Baroness Thatchers condition as "Satisfactory"

Plans for Thatcher's grave have just been released.
Beautiful really, but I think they should have made the dancefloor bigger.

When I realised Margaret Thatcher was dead, I did a double fist pump and shouted, "****g brilliant!" Everyone around me was disgusted, and looking back, I suppose it was out of order. Especially as I was the first paramedic at the scene.

Margaret Thatcher's final wish was to be cremated.
Unfortunately, we've no coal left

and I dont ...funny old world innit

The IRA bombing of her cabinet that killed 5 that missed her. At 9.30am sharp the next morning she opened her parties conference. That woman had brass balls.

Can I just Im not a Tory and WONT be voting for Cameron. She was bloody strong in alot of ways that does give you a certain admiration.

Haha we've moved onto people whom are Maggie haters have erectile dysfunction now-how exactly are these two things related? Fwiw I was on the verge of major wood when I heard the news 🙂

Looking around it's obvious that she left Britain very divided, and I don't believe that's a good state for a country to be in. And it will take a long time to heal.

Fwiw I was on the verge of major wood when I heard the news

still can't quite get to grips with finding joy in anyone's death, has made me think a lot less of few folk, oh well that's the joy of humans I suppose, hideous hate filled vindictive little species that we are.

tazzymtb - Member
I can never be crass enough to revel in the passing of another person. ultimately it just reflects badly on your true character.

+1

Hated some of what she did, agreed with some - the balance of context has to be applied to much of her time in power. She became PM just as I was becoming politically aware and becoming interested in how it all works. To this day I have little respect for most politician of any colour. That said, I would have loved Barbara Castle to have been the first woman PM.

Twas a joke tazz hence the smiley! 😥 please don't lower your niche little opinion of me 8)

Fwiw I was on the verge of major wood when I heard the news

Congratulations cupcake.

Ooh cupcake....I feel tingly.

I wonder what these Burrowing Owls would make of all this..?

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bearnecessities, would she fit into your "Instinctive Hatred" thread? Haven't seen so much hate filled bile on a thread in ages - you never even returned to explain that most folk weren't quite getting the point. Yet you seem thoroughly disgusted with this one? 😕

To take thatcher policies to their natural conclusion i wonder if her funeral will be privatised?

hora - Member

The IRA bombing of her cabinet that killed 5 that missed her. At 9.30am sharp the next morning she opened her parties conference. That woman had brass balls.

When an assassination attempt was made on Hitler, an hour after the bomb had exploded he "was sufficiently recovered to make phone calls", and he famously only had one ball. So I don't think having balls comes into it.

Specially if you look at the state of his pants after the explosion and you realise that he probably no longer had any balls at all :

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Those were the trousers Hitler wore during the failed assassination attempt btw.

bearnecessities, would she fit into your "Instinctive Hatred" thread? Haven't seen so much hate filled bile on a thread in ages - you never even returned to explain that most folk weren't quite getting the point. Yet you seem thoroughly disgusted with this one

DD, if you're going to try and quote me, quote correctly; the thread was "cannot stand", not "instinctive hatred".

I CBA to respond to your inference that I should be moderating my own thread and if [b]you[/b] think that thread at any point contained "hate filled bile", why didn't you report it, but otherwise if you want to defend the statements on here of dancing on graves of a dead mother, fill your boots.

To take thatcher policies to their natural conclusion i wonder if her funeral will be privatised?

Well, at least the gravediggers won't be out on 'kin strike!

Hitler escaped assassination by turning into the hulk?

Think it would be fitting for Gerry Adams to deliver a eulogy at the funeral, with voiceover actor and subtitles of course!

There really are a lot of horrible Vindictive arseholes on here today.
It's quite sad really.

Normally people like to hide that side of themselves, but people seem to be revelling in letting people know what they are [i]Really[/i] like today.

Very weird. And quite an eye opener.

It's altered my opinion of a fair few people 😐

ChubbyBlokeInLycra - Member

Hitler escaped assassination by turning into the hulk?

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I CBA to respond to your inference that I should moderating my own thread and if you think that thread at any point contained "hate filled bile", why didn't you report it, but otherwise if you want to defend the statements on here of dancing on graves of a dead mother, fill your boots.

I CBA reporting stuff. Sometimes it's best left there for people to see. Fair enough, there's a whole lot of difference between "cannot stand" and "hate" I suppose. I wasn't suggesting you moderate your own thread, just maybe clarify what you meant. Would you not agree that some pretty horrible things were said about some fairly harmless people on that thread? (At least it's only one person on this one.) That you started. Oh and if you're going to start getting Siliconosus Vaginitis about "inference" then don't be bothering inferring that I'm defending any dancing on graves. I think you'll find I haven't defended that at all.

I cannot believe how many of you [ and let be honest neal* you are not amongst the most sensitive on here for] are shocked at the responses of some on here

Dont go on twitter and as you may well faint

What did you expect them warm eulogies from all and sundry
Many people hated her and they will not mourn her death - what did you expect ?the children of miners to speak about her in warm tones?
*No offence neal you were just the latest to do this and it strikes me as a touch naive to have expected anything different

She divided folk and that has led to this reaction
Her policies [ or the policies of her government] literally ruined lives and communities and some hate her for this.

what do you expect Palestinians to mourn for Jewish PM's death etc or vice versa[ pick any two polarised views and do this]

There's quite a substantial difference between not mourning someone's death and dancing/pissing on their grave...

There really are a lot of horrible Vindictive arseholes on here today.

Perhaps slightly harsh, but I get the sentiment.

Looking around it's obvious that she left Britain very divided, and I don't believe that's a good state for a country to be in. And it will take a long time to heal.

More worryingly she started the ball rolling on the demise of Society, the Welfare State and heralded the rise of individualism also known as 'F*** everyone else, I'm alright and that's all that matters'.

Whether we'll ever recover from that is unclear....

More worryingly she started the ball rolling on the demise of Society, the Welfare State and heralded the rise of individualism also known as 'F*** everyone else, I'm alright and that's all that matters'.

Whether we'll ever recover from that is unclear....

yep, things were just dandy before she came to power....

I cannot believe how many of you [ and let be honest neal* you are not amongst the most sensitive on here for] are shocked at the responses of some on here

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I'm not getting the superciliously twee notion that 'decent folk' should be being polite for fear of offending the corpse..

in fact how ****ing dare you!?

If you cannot enjoy a bit of humour in death, can't let your primal spirit out to play for a wee bit of a caper on special occasions, then it's you that's got the skewed morality

If you cannot enjoy a bit of humour in death, can't let your primal spirit out to play for a wee bit of a caper on special occasions, then it's you that's got the skewed morality

Most of it isn't particularly funny however is it?

Margaret Thatcher's final wish was to be cremated.
Unfortunately, we've no coal left

although that was..

yep, things were just dandy before she came to power....

The interesting thing is that they weren't, and yet despite having the unprecedented advantage of Britain becoming an oil exporting nation, something which obviously no other Prime Minister had previously enjoyed, she still, quite unbelievable, made things worst, eg unemployment, taxation, and government spending, all increased substantially under her. And growth was exactly the same as the decade preceding her. How she managed to make a bad situation even worse, despite having a huge economic advantage, is really quite remarkable.

yep, things were just dandy before she came to power....

No, they weren't. However if something is broken you fix it. She didn't. She destroyed industry and manufacturing. She had no interest in reconciliation between the unions and big business. All she did was take the balance of power and shift it violently one way. You cannot simply rip the heart out of industrial heartlands without replacing it with something else. She showed no empathy to many. Many will show no sympathy to her. To those who admire her principles, passion and refusal to change from [b][u]her[/u][/b] view of the world, history is littered with characters with these traits. Few of them were admirable. Neither is she.

I won't be dancing on any graves neither will I mourn her passing. Others may differ.

yep, things were just dandy before she came to power....

There are always problems to solve and issues to deal with. How you approach them and solve them is the issue. Divide and conquer, which was Thatcher's style does not lead to a harmonious society long term, the effects of which we now have to pay for....

Oh dear, I've only just heard the news.
First thing I thought of was a thread on here and some of the nastiness. I was right.

*No offence neal you were just the latest to do this and it strikes me as a touch naive to have expected anything different

None taken.

I'm not offended by anything that's been said, I'm no fan of Mrs T by any means.

Maybe I'm just a bit disappointed if I'm honest. I just thought that people would at least try and hide the nastiness behind a thin veneer of tact.

But maybe its better this way, its just unpleasant to witness that's all.

More worryingly she started the ball rolling on the demise of Society, the Welfare State and heralded the rise of individualism also known as 'F*** everyone else, I'm alright and that's all that matters'.

This, sort of

I'm not old enough to really be able to comment on her, but from reading up on the policies this is what comes to the fore.

We do have a society, but its badly damaged - and as a pragmatic leftie it seems to me that Thatchers breed of free-market capitalism can be seen as the basis of the "I'm Alright Jack" personality that this country has taken on.

It's utter rubbish to say "if you want to succeed, you will" because not everybody can succeed in a capitalist system as you only "win" when someone else "loses" - as otherwise there is no-one to compare yourself against. A manager pays his staff less than he potentially could so he can make extra profit for himself.

How were the towns in the north meant to succeed when the only available industry had been removed from them? It just left a void, causing unneeded suffering and everlasting resentment. They weren't supported - the cynic would say because they weren't natural Tory voters?

Privatisation is the theft of wealth and power from the 99% to the 1%. Cameron, Osborne, Gove & Hunt are all just following on in this image, but have learned from Blair how to hide it behind an Etonian smirk.

If this does all indeed stem back to her ruthlessness then I can really see why she is so hated by many in society.

The property debt bubbles we've had no end of (under both Tories and Labour), the huge waiting lists for council houses, the billions Councils spent on rented private accommodation for people who should be in a council house are all down to her buying an election by almost giving away council houses (that belonged to local councils) to tenants, effectively giving away billions of state assets with no long term plan on how to cover the gap left.

No matter how nasty and vindictive it gets on this thread, it will be nowhere near as nasty and vindictive as she was.
The world is a slightly better place today.

First thing I thought of was a thread on here and some of the nastiness. I was right.

+1

No matter how nasty and vindictive it gets on this thread, it will be nowhere near as nasty and vindictive as she was.

Yep, no comparison. She never shed a tear nor cared one bit about the millions whose lives she trashed in the name of Conservatism.

If you cannot enjoy a bit of humour in death

No matter how nasty and vindictive it gets on this thread, it will be nowhere near as nasty and vindictive as she was.
The world is a slightly better place today.

This is kind of my point though, it's not better is it ?

Her death has made no difference whatsoever, she's just an old lady who's died.

Nothing is better now than it was yesterday is it ?

In fact after reading some of the stuff on this thread, its a bit worse if anything.

george square was buzzing earlier.

Maggie, maggie, maggie, dead, dead, dead. was the most popular chant!

First thing I thought of was a thread on here and some of the nastiness. I was right.

There was always going to be nastiness - show no consideration for people and they will show you no consideration in return. Its a sad fact of life and she must have known this.

The people affected by her policies were never going to forgive her as she never said sorry