[Closed] Thatcher's died according to BBC

[i]Another one who feels UK industry should have been subsidised....at what should it have stopped?....when the UK was bankrupt?....blame rampant unionism instead. [/i]

More recent governments seem more than happy to subsidise a failed banking system and I didn't see Unions too far to the fore when all that was going on?

Concorde

you do know it entered service in '76?

or old enough to see and understand exactly what she did

The great kick in the balls is yet to come when she is given a State Funeral.

Did you know she was part of the research team which invented soft-scoop ice cream?
Bit too young and apathetic to really be interested in the politics - so for me it's an RIP.
RM.

as a ten year old I endured the miners strike in South East Northumberland's mining towns. I can vividly remember having to drag bags of coal scraped off Newbiggin beach and open cast workings, going to the Labour club on saturday mornings for packed lunches for food for the weekend. I can remember having sweet FA for christmas because there was no money coming in. Everyone on our estate was in the same boat and nearing the end of the strike my step dad caved in and went back to work and we endured months of hostility because of this...

So you're getting your dancing shoes ready for when Scargill pops his clogs?

[i]Returning British rail to it's prewar privatised state. [/i]

[ahem]
[i]the Railways Act 1993 introduced by John Major's Conservative government[/i]
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I don't think they would risk the problems a state funeral would cause

As expected the Thatcher haters are out. Most were probably too young when she was PM to really know what she did or like at the time.

Gonna be a mixed thread

State funeral will be interesting mixture of pomp and rioting

She was our greatest post 2nd world war PM by far.;

Yes she divided the nation but she took power back from the unions after they had been pandered to for years she put the UK back on the map and was respected world wide. RIP Maggie.

So you're getting your dancing shoes ready for when Scargill pops his clogs?

wow no subject or personal story you wont troll 🙄

 

She hastened the UK's decline by favouring the city over industry. She destroyed communities and sold off North Sea oil to pay for them.
Thatcher marked a turning point in the welfare of the ordinary working people - her destructive methods continue.
The bitch is dead.

funny, this hashtag is causing a bit of confusion on the old ****tersphere

#nowthatchersdead

Taming of the US and the subsequent fall of Communism

Are you serious?

What evidence is there for the US being tamed?
As for Communism falling, they just couldn't afford the arms race with the US, nothing to do with Thatcher.

State funeral will be interesting mixture of pomp and rioting

Indeed. I wonder how they'll do it.
Might have an extra pint of milk this evening.

Another one who feels UK industry should have been subsidised....at what should it have stopped?....when the UK was bankrupt?....blame rampant unionism instead.

WTF are you talking about? Do you honestly think the Americans/Chinese/Indians/Germans/French ect etc etc are playing a straight hand in that context??

Presumably you don't think the financial sector were being supported by her policies either?

In which case the next time you lose a tooth make sure to put it under your pillow.

She, and what her ilk created, sat like a malignant, cancerous tumor at the heart of our society. She unleashed everything that has left this country as ****ed as it now is. The banking crisis/bankrupting the country, and rampant Victorian level inequality are all part of her toxic legacy

Returning British rail to it's prewar privatised state

As pointed out above, it was after her time, but she did sow the seeds at the very least.

oh, and isn't the privatised system we have now simply wonderful? 🙄

Perhaps if 'profits' were plowed back into the railways rather than shareholders and exec's pockets things would be better. Yes it wasn't great back then and needed a bit of a sort out, but now it's all about profit for the rail operators

i never rode with the guy, but i think i bought from him on the classifieds, seemed decent enough to me.

happy trails Thatcher, Ride In Peace.

....and she fathered David Cameron, don't forget that one!

and a underclass

oh and of course she encouraged people to sign on the sick to get them of dole figures [ today the coalition are re assessing the long term disabled etc]

I dont think we had shit hole sink estates prior to thatcher or totally ****ed and ruined towns and areas

She was divisive and she did not care

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place your bets by Pay pal gift. 🙂

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I've spent my entire life in old northern mining villages and I really don't care too much about what Thatcher did 30 years ago. The tories are still here today creating all kinds of damage.

she put the UK back on the map

but can I summon the energy to still feel that burning anger of 30 years ago? Possibly not.

And don't forget that she declared 'Society dead'. The repercussions of her & her cronies actions are still being felt today.

I'm going for 9.

Hey Tucker:

Concorde
The Falklands
Taming of the US and the subsequent fall of Communism
Returning British rail to it's prewar privatised state.

Concorde, given the goahead by a technologically interested labout government,
The Falklands: invaded because Thatcher cut the support for the territories, giving Argentina the idea that we didn't care. She screwed up, the forces dug her out.
She turned us into a US poodle. I remain convinced that agreements she signed to get help for the Falklands have resulted in the UK's support for invading Iraq & ;Ghan.
As for her role in privatisation: we haven't benefitted at all.

Her de-regulating the financial industry and allowing solicitors to advertise turned out really well didn't it?

I'm just wondering what bad news will coincidentally be released today? Any economic figures due out?

i wont celebrate the death of another but ill not be shedding a tear - poll tax, miners, pension holidays, pinochet, hillsborough coverup.......

all though all the news channels are full of it , a war on the korean peninsula is about all that can save us from constant fatcha in your face

her grave will need some serious protection, and possibly some wooden stakes on hand just in case

I'm not sure her passing warrants celebration, it's not like she's had any influence in the recent past, and that anything will change. Will people actually be drinking to her death this evening?
Perhaps we should be thankful that her passing means an end to the constant longing for her death.

I've read that she's going to buried rather cremated, as the lady's not for burning.

What a stroke of luck.

Another one who feels UK industry should have been subsidised

Surprised thread is still here
I had a bollocking from mods last time I posted a thatcher thread

reckon we will get a bank holiday ? not a chance she gave nothing when she was alive and certainly nowt no she has gone thats for sure

Not really fussed either way by her death.

EDIT: I'll be fussed if we get a bank holiday.

Will people actually be drinking to her death this evening?

Yip!

[i]Surprised thread is still here[/i]

twitter reports from stw indicate that moderation reports have skyrocketed in the past few minutes.

maybe keeping it all in one place makes life easier for them?

Wonder if she'll get a state funeral - that would be interesting to see how many protesters turn out....

Kimbers - you're joking, but some idiot attempted to drive a stake through milosevic's body:

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/03/06/milosevic_staked/

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twitter reports from stw indicate that moderation reports have skyrocketed in the past few minutes.

They surely had a policy in place for this day.

Still open?

Surprising!

A lot of the haters choose to forget what had gone on before - strikes paralyzing the economy, power cuts, rubbish piled in the streets, the UK having to be bailed out by the IMF.

Not sure how to judge her - she and her party managed to stay in power for 17 years, so someone voted for them. And rightly or wrongly, her legacy was not replaced by the last Labour government who had 13 years to try and undo the supposed damage.

I do know that my dad left the RAF after 22 years in 1979 and went on the dole. Times were hard. Under the Thatcher regime he got back on his feet, turned his - and our - lives around, and moved our expectations way beyond his own mining and ship building roots, encouraging me to have a career that saw me financially independent by the time I was 21.

That said, I now live and work in the former coal and steel communities, and I understand the hate of those directly affected, if not the trendy hangers on. And some of those I work with will admit that their union bosses were just as over zealous and ultimately destructive.

When Scargill passes on, maybe two wrongs will make a right at last

I assume the "Code Red" email has gone out to the modz. 🙂

(Or maybe in this case "Code Blue")

Will people actually be drinking to her death this evening?

To be fair, I've had the odd drink towards her death as well, so at least am consistent. Also a fully paid up member of 'Is Margaret Thatcher Dead Yet' FB group.....

I dont think we had shit hole sink estates prior to thatcher or totally **** and ruined towns and areas

Were you actually alive in the seventies Junky?

So long to the last prime minister with principles rather than focus groups

I heard they were planning burial at sea!

Surely a state-provided funeral would be an insult to the ideology of someone who passionately believed in the free market?

Can't see any reason whatsoever to a) complain about the thread thus far, or b) moderate it. In fact the anti Thatcherites, of which I an proud to be, have been very reasoned and moderate thus far, despite a fair level of trolling and provocation.

Aye Decorum. Its the mark of the man or woman who revels in another death and more keenly if you didn't know this person.

is it..?
or have you just made that up..?

She was a very unpopular leader who's regime caused a lot of suffering.. I know many families that were made homeless during her reign..

Is it childish to revel in her death..?
I don't think so..
Is it really important to judge how another person feels about this piece of meat..?

I could understand your moral superiority if we were to jeer in the faces of the old woman's relatives but we're not..
There will be rejoicing in many corners of the British Isles over the coming days and why not..? We get precious little to celebrate at the moment, why not let it be the passing of this iconic figurehead, this personification of the oppression of the poor and needy..

It's a bit pathetic to try to take the moral high ground over it

I'm off to a funeral on Monday, a fella passed last week that round here, was the embodiment of everything that Thatcher wasn't..
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RIP Rodge

Wow, 38 minutes old and already four pages in!

I know many families that [s]were made[/s] [i]became[/i] homeless during her reign..

No one is 'made' homeless, it's something that happens as a consequence of other things.

Topic reported. This is just going to cause ill filling on the forum for everyone.

someone was prepared:

[url= http://www.isthatcherdeadyet.co.uk/ ]http://www.isthatcherdeadyet.co.uk/[/url]

Don't feel happy or sad that an old woman has died.

She may have supposedly saved us from Unions who were screwing up the country, but she delivered us into the hands of total Capitalism, and her and subsequent leaders and followers have led us to where we are today, financial crisis.

As for her followers, it must be different to be that selfish and twisted to only think of yourselves and not be able to look beyond the ideology to see the damage that she has done and the massive divisions in the UK today.

She didn't save us from decline, she and those that followed only hastened it.

hey, i just won the deathlist sweepstake at work.

i'll be donating my winnings to the n.u.m - it's what she would have wanted.

Junkyard - Member

oh and of course she encouraged people to sign on the sick to get them of dole figures [ today the coalition are re assessing the long term disabled etc]

Yep, only last week the present Tory Chancellor was blaming Thatcher for some of the problems he said Britain now faced.

It's "all Thatcher's fault", apparently :

[url= http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2013/apr/02/osborne-thatcher-legacy-disability-benefits ]Osborne distances himself from Thatcher legacy over disability benefits[/url]

[i][b]......he condemned the way her government placed thousands of unemployed people on disability benefits as "quick-fix politics of the worst kind".[/i][/b]

Mind you he has previous on criticising Thatcher, although I get the impression that he thinks she wasn't right-wing enough :

[url= http://www.****/news/article-2069634/MPs-fury-George-Osborne-says-Margaret-Thatcher-Iron-Lady.html ]MPs fury as George Osborne says Margaret Thatcher was no Iron Lady[/url]

i won't celebrate the death of a senile old woman

i will celebrate the the death of a philosophy that devastated parts of our country and codemned a genration to poverty and the death of hope and aspiration. A philosophy that put profit ahead of people and brought out the very worst in our natures.

That philosophy still exists and is still damaging us. I don't celebrate her death, but I do wish she had never lived at all.

So long to the last prime minister with principles

Shame its not Blair.

Apparently, she has just been found fit for work.

*hora reported for being a tit*

*mod reply - "this is not news"*

OK now this is MAD. The PM is cutting short his European tour of doing the business of the country... why? Has her death plunged us into some kind of crisis? What's he going to do when he gets back, mouth to mouth? 4000 volts? Not kidding, there's nothing for him to do here, stay where you are and do your job Dave.

I hated her.

Not celebrating the death of a senile old lady.
But I'll raise a glass to those whose lives she ruined, whose communities she destroyed and whose hopes and aspirations she crushed.

Genuine question

If she was so bad, how did she get voted in three times?

mouth to mouth?

Tyne / Wear derby this weekend. trying to enforce a mintues silence before that game would be a foolish thing to do 🙂

paaaaaaaaarrrrrrrtttttttty 8)

They surely had a policy in place for this day.

"Bong, bong, this is a staff announcement, all [s]checkout operators[/s] moderators to the [s]tills[/s] forums, all [s]checkout operators[/s] moderators to the [s]tills[/s] forums, bing bong"

She was of her time. In the absence of any clear opposition that could do any better. Besides...name me one stand up dyed in the wool honest politician? it's a contradiction in terms.

I have no particular view on 80s politics, other than hating poll tax, but then bedroom tax is not much better, and then there was window tax a while ago too. It's all the same old same old.

Dignity is not gained by dancing on anyone's grave. All it does is remind everyone of the person. No ripples on the pond would be more of a snub I think.

my local paper still leading with the important stuff;

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strikes paralyzing the economy, power cuts, rubbish piled in the streets, the UK having to be bailed out by the IMF.

DO you think if OPEC did that today [ they wont as they know we would invade] that this govt would cope or you would blame them for it all.

Were you actually alive in the seventies Junky?

No one is 'made' homeless, it's something that happens as a consequence of other things.

No state funeral, but a full ceremonial funeral-like the queen mum. She is then to be cremated.

So that great legacy of privatisation. Wow.

Key elements of our infrastructure (water and power companies) now owned by the French, the Chinese, the Germans and the US. Well done there!
I don't think she thought it through did she?

IanMunro - Member

Might have an extra pint of milk this evening.

I'm sure all STW posters are fully aware that Thatcher voted against that policy.
As for the poor miners, it was the unions that brought a close to the mines, not Thatcher.

If she was so bad, how did she get voted in three times?

{ goes to check e-mail for a warning]

Aye Decorum. Its the mark of the man or woman who revels in another death and more keenly if you didn't know this person.

If I'm still alive when Messers Brown and Blair pass away- trust me I won't be making childish comments.

+1.

Most insightful comment I've ever read on STW.

Not celebrating the death of a senile old lady.
But I'll raise a glass to those whose lives she ruined, whose communities she destroyed and whose hopes and aspirations she crushed.

Agreed.

If she was so bad, how did she get voted in three times?

What a disgusting thread.

A goodwin on a thatcher thread where I compare her to Hitler ....

Politics are not about personality.

I can understand why people would celebrate the day she was thrown out of Number 10 (and I do not celebrate that day). But to celebrate the day she died and to make some sort of retarded song and dance about enjoying an old womans death just seems sick beyond belief.

Uncollected rubbish, black outs during coal strikes, Argentina invading the Falklands, Fire Fighters striking and leaving London to burn (until the Army were sent in), the Iranian Embassy siege......

I'm glad she dealt with all of those.

She hasn't been a figure in politics for years now except in the bitter minds of people that were likely not even born when she was in power.

What goes on on this forum generally doesn't bother me - but I do think some of what has been said here goes beyond acceptable.

A goodwin on a thatcher thread where I compare her to Hitler ....just when I though the day could not get any better