[Closed] that 'my tram experience' clip on youtube

Outside of the pages of the Daily Mail, EDL propoganda etc what is the evidence that immigrants are queue jumping their way into council houses?

Now hold on, bobby hasn't said they are queue jumping.

No, seriously. In your scenario, if the immigrant family had been waiting for a week and I had been waiting for years, that would be different.

That sort of timescale would be about right.

How would I feel ?? That I shouldn't have had that third kid as I clearly can't afford it, for starters. Then I might start thinking about how to improve my situation and take some responsibility for my own life.

While I do agree with you, the immigrant family should also take responsibilty. They should not be given priority.

I do however, think that it isn't right to come over and live off benefits. These people are in the minority but it shouldn't be allowed full stop.

Any figures for how many immigrants do this? What visa form do you need for "Extended Stay to Doss on Benefits"?

How exactly do you deal with immigrants who are made redundant some time after coming to the UK (of which there are no doubt quite a few at the moment)? How about those that have a debilitating accident or illness after coming here and working for ten years?

Also I take it you realise that in the case of asylum seekers they are not actually allowed to work and are forced onto benefits until their case is heard?

Immigrants of the illegal variety should be sent home and told that they may come back when they have went throught the proper procedures.

Even if that means sending them home to be executed?

While I do agree with you, so should the immigrant family. They should not be given priority.

Isn't it more a matter of the 'native' family that you speak of already have a roof over their head, whereas the 'immigrant' family are homeless, therefore more in need of the property? Therefore they would be classed as higher priority, as they are more in need of a home. Same goes for anyone who's classed as homeless versus somebody already housed.

Now hold on, bobby hasn't said they are queue jumping.

Ok, given priority then 🙄

They should not be given priority.

Who says that they are?

When I was a kid it seemed obvious to me that the world would one day be just one big country and everyone would be free to go where ever they wanted and we'd all have a similar out look on life and there would be no wars.

This is an inevitable and good process. For instance in Ancient Greece there were massive difference between say Athens(democracy + strange practises with teenage boys) and Spata(Sort of proto communision fairly equal rights all(unless you were a slave) including girls but killed their children if they seemed weak).

These massive cultural difference were fertile ground for conflict and the ancient world was a world constantly at war. Now adays most people round the world agree on the basic human rights ie slavery wrong/killing people wrong/infanticide wrong.

This has lead to reduced conflict. Also Britain particularly the English have done very well out of this process most of the world currently uses English as a second language !

However these process take time, the unions between England, Wales and Scotland took hundreds of years and several. Although obviously the process of integration would be quicker now.

I also thought the day when we had one world government would be quite along way off and in my life time Britain would be remain a largely culturally British and probably with a racial British majority. Ie there would be people from other backgrounds here but they would have a Northern/London/Brummy accent.

However in some areas Im not sure this is the case accents have changed to be more like other countries, whole communities look for partners abroad.

Now in my mind it isnt fair that some areas of the world are poorer than others so I can understand why people want to come here and I would do the same if I was them and frankly there isnt much the government can do in my eyes to stop people arriving.

Now most of this strife is actually caused by the people coming being poorer than the people here. In my mind the way to solve this is by making "over there" richer.

So I think the governments round the world need to stop pretending that we are separate countries and just try and get on fixing the worlds problems together.

Ideas like having separate tax laws in separate countries are ridiculous we should have 1 tax law and apply it all round the world. So that countries like Switerzland are nt stupidly rich for no reason. Worldwide trade unions should be formed to fight for workers rights every where etc etc.

To stop the brain drain countries like the UK and USA should reverse immigration policies so only the most needy are allowed in. The clever bright people should be encouraged to stay in their own countries of birth to improve the standard of living their.

Hopefully then immigration would maybe not lessen but would be more equal with people just swapping places. I mean people come from the Midlands move to work in London without problem. The problem is when large groups(not individuals) of people with very different economic and very different cultural practises move on mass to another country.

Right i will bow out now. We are all entitled to our opinions. I am not, for one minute, saying I am 100% correct. No two cases of immigration will ever be the same, and each should be taken on its own merits.

I certainly don't think people should be sent home to be executed.

There is a big difference between asylum seekers and illegal immigrants. Being forced into benefits is not their fault, so why would I have a problem with them? I don't.

To wasawasawasawasawasaw. I am sorry for jumping down your throat. I only got a B in Higher English and my grammar is far from perfect. Im sure it causes offence to many.

"If anyone is willing to work in this country and contribute then by all means come over. I welcome them with open arms...Immigrants of the illegal variety should be sent home and told that they may come back when they have went through the proper procedures."

kinell

Illegal immigrants should face the full force of the law. They should get no special treatment. The law is for all.

konabunny.

Your point?

bobbyg81, fair enough and maybe I should have stuck to the argument rather than picking up on spilling ishues as I'm not imune to thoose miself.

Right i will bow out now. We are all entitled to our opinions. I am not, for one minute, saying I am 100% correct. No two cases of immigration will ever be the same, and each should be taken on its own merits.

You can't just do that! I've gone and got an imaginary family now! with 3 imaginary kids to look after in this pokey imaginary house with only 2 bedrooms! In the same way I have a responsibility for my creation of these kids you have a responsibility of the scenario you have created! What am I supposed to do now!? I mean I've just gone and imagined myself a nice little GT6 and now the MOT is due! Honestly if it was for that nice imaginary family across the road who are always helping out, I don't know what I would do. I think they are from Rwanada or soemthing. They are ever so kind, their imaginary kids play lovely with mine. Honestly I don't know what goes on in their heads sometimes! But anyway, i think in their culture food is really important and they are always calling mine in to have supper with them and everything. Still, just because they help out, doesn't mean you can just step away from your responsibilities!

Anyone here claim to be anglo saxon?
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German / danish immigrants the lot of you.

Illegal immigrants should face the full force of the law. They should get no special treatment. The law is for all.

What laws are illegal immigrants currently exempt from?

[i]German / danish immigrants the lot of you.[/i]

*sweeping generalisation of the day*

anyone called any of these surnames?
AMOND
BEAUMONT
BUTLER
CARPENTER
CLARE
DARCY
DISNEY
FITZWILLIAM
JORDAN
HALL
LEROY
MAYOR
MONTGOMERY
MORRIS
OSMENT
PERCY
VINCENT

Bluddy immigrants the lot of you. Ruddy Normans

Well I am Mr Mungus.

If you imagine that I have a problem with legal immigrant families then that is up to you. I don't. I have made that very clear.

German / danish immigrants the lot of you.

Are you trying to distract everyone from your own heritage? Remember, everyone on here knows you're Prince Phillips lovechild 😉

wwawas - the angles and the saxons are immigrants into britain. Stole the jobs of the native british. Probably jumped the waiting list for hovels as well.

edit - ignore me.

Don't get me started on those bloody romans!

What have the Romans ever done for us?

in some areas...whole communities look for partners abroad.

If you imagine that I have a problem with legal immigrant families then that is up to you. I don't.

So why was your first post going on about [i]"A family of immigrants"[/i] being placed in a council house?

Oi - binners - thats a state secret - I'll set the lizards onto yuo

Im sorry GrahamS. I think in the post it is obvious what I meant. You DO know what I meant. But if it makes you happy to imply that I have a problem with them, then you can think what you like.

Im sorry GrahamS. I think in the post it is obvious what I meant. You DO know what I meant. But if it makes you happy to imply that I have a problem with them, then you can think what you like.

I'm not trying to [i]imply[/i] anything. Your original post talked of an immigrant family with no mention of them being in the UK illegally. Hence why several people took issue with it.

If you're now clarifying that then fair enough but don't blame me for just reading what you typed!

Never mind all that immigration nonsense, am I the only person who finds that picture CFH posted strangely arousing?

everyone's managed to avoid thread closure for racism so now going to play the sexism card? 😉

bobbyg81 - Member

Imagine you are in a council house and you have 3 kids and a 2 bedroom house. You would have to wait a long bloody time to get a bigger house. Years in certain parts of the country. A family of immigrants then move into the 3/4 bedroom house across the road that you have no chance of getting. How would you feel?

Now I am not anti immigration and I am certainly not racist. If anyone is willing to work in this country and contribute then by all means come over. I welcome them with open arms.

Well thats completely at odds with UK immigration policy where very few folk are allowed in at all unless they have skills we are short of

I do however, think that it isn't right to come over and live off benefits. These people are in the minority but it shouldn't be allowed full stop.

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Whats even more depressing than the mentally imbalanced* woman on the vid is the even more imbalanced my tram experience responses. They aint coked/pissed/whatever'ed up they think that way normally. scary.

Poor kid sat listening to that, gonna grow up with a well rounded attitude to our multicultural society eh?

*possibly temporarily, due to substance abuse, possibly not.

Surrounded By Zulus - Member
I would like to know what led to her outburst before passing comment.

Watching Jeremy Clarkson?

There was a problem in Glasgow with housing immigrant families whereby a whole lot of houses were done up and then immigrants housed in them. Led to uproar from weegies about why their houses werent getting anything done to them for years and the outcome was hatred and bad feeling towards the immigrants resulting in the fatal stabbing of Dirsat Sagh.
my first point about illegal immigrants and the law was in response to hels suggestion that they all be given immunity etc.

bobbyg81 - Member

Imagine you are in a council house and you have 3 kids and a 2 bedroom house. You would have to wait a long bloody time to get a bigger house. Years in certain parts of the country. A family of immigrants then move into the 3/4 bedroom house across the road that you have no chance of getting. How would you feel?

if its been allocated on basis of need as it is its fine - you know why we have so few council houses don't you - sold off

Now I am not anti immigration and I am certainly not racist. If anyone is willing to work in this country and contribute then by all means come over. I welcome them with open arms.

Well thats completely at odds with UK immigration policy where very few folk are allowed in at all unless they have skills we are short of

I do however, think that it isn't right to come over and live off benefits. These people are in the minority but it shouldn't be allowed full stop.

it isn't allowed.

Well if all that youve said is acurate then I am wrong. I have obviously been misinformed.

there's been a bit of moderation on the thread.

You can't possibly be misinformed. Our press go out of their way to provide calm, balanced, accurate and informed reporting on this particular subject 😉

Illegal immigrants should face the full force of the law. They should get no special treatment. The law is for all.

Sez someone who was bragging about using extreme violence, torture and murder against petty thieves...

[url= http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/police-officers-numbers#post-3221004 ]

My targeted action plan is break the thiefs fingers with pliers,then cable tie him and throw him in a river.

Dear oh dear...

SEND THE BUGGERS BACK!

I was banned for 48hrs for posting the video, reason from the mods was, posting a video with continued swearing. pathetic really, why not just warn?

Bit harsh. Such topics should be discussed, and yeah there's the swearing thing, but not a lot you can do about that, unless you're an expert with video stuffs and can edit out the naughty words.

Mind you, the thread had become a vehicle for a few numpties to post stupid crass sexual comments about the woman, and launch attacks on sections of society they don't like and need to feel superior to...

A family of immigrants then move into the 3/4 bedroom house across the road that you have no chance of getting. How would you feel?

How would you feel if it were a family of non-immigrants moving in?

Don't immigrants need housing just the same as others? Isn't the way we treat people with fairness and try to give them what they need in life one of the great things about this nation?

the immigrant family should also take responsibilty. They should not be given priority.

In what way are they given 'priority'? Got any actual facts to back this claim up?

Binners.

If the government were a bit more upfront about all their policies, the media wouldn't have as much power as they do in influencing people.

You only need to listen to the latest nonsense about the strikes. MPS just blatantly lie when being interviewed. When they get pulled up on their lies, they just lie some more.

It's certainly not easy to get to the truth.

Elfnsafety - I didnt say I wouldnt expect exemption from prosecution.

Elfin.

I do agree that immigrants need housing. There is plenty of private housing and very little social housing.

While I think that immigrants should be given the best chance to make a life for themselves, I also think that social housing should be for British people first. Surely there is way that this can all be done fairly?

I also think that social housing should be for British people first. Surely there is way that this can all be done fairly?

Well, if we made the immigrants British, then we could make sure that British people always got the housing.

While I think that immigrants should be given the best chance to make a life for themselves, I also think that social housing should be for British people first.

Erm.. if they are immigrants (i.e. have permanently migrated to the UK) then they ARE "British people"

Mingus.

We will obviously have to agree to disagree. I mean no ill feeling to anyone.

No CM you missed the point

I also think that social housing should be for British people first. Surely there is way that this can all be done fairly?

What we need is a fair way to discriminate against those who are not British

Led to uproar from weegies about why their houses werent getting anything done to them for years

Poor kid sat listening to that, gonna grow up with a well rounded attitude to our multicultural society eh?