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he’s of the opinion that they must be heavi;y sedating them
Not sure how well that ties in with the reports of (some of) them walking out of the cave under their own steam
all out 🙂
Local TV says the tenth and eleventh boys to be rescued are about to be airlifted to hospital, while the ninth boy has reached the hospital in Chiang Rai.
Not quite all of them, then. Almost there though.
Absolutely incredible work.
Having seen a video of how they are basically strapped to a stretcher I can fully see why they would need to be sedated. Probably gives some reasoning as to why they are whisked straight off to hospital in ambulances rather than being filmed jumping for joy at the cave opening.
he’s of the opinion that they must be heavily sedating them
These kids did 10 days in total darkness with almost no food no communication, rising waters and kept going, Pretty disingenuous to suggest without being in possession of the facts that they might not be able to cope with the rescue without sedation. I think they are probably a lot tougher mentally than most of us!
sedatives don't necessarily prevent you from being active / mobile; different types work in different ways and some can leave you being still 'capable' just incredibly compliant / total lack of anxiety, etc.
I don't know, this is pure speculation but it was said that sedation was 'normal' in this type of rescue, and would suggest that no matter how 'with it' someone might appear prior to starting the escape, sedation might be precautionary because frankly, finding part way out that they actually do have a disposition to panic and you're well in the shite.
I don't disagree, this is his opinion of getting people out of caves for the last 35 years. Its been stated that they've had some anti-anxiety meds publically, his view is for safety reasons making them very relaxed and easier to manage is the safest extraction method. Having dived with him a lot but only in open water as I'm a total wuss and don't like the dark or confined spaces he is absolutely amazed with the outcome so far and also said that the organisation is incredible with so many people spread throughout the cave system to assist for very long period.
EDIT: Actually i lie, i did one caving section in a race with him which had me hyperventiating and he dragged me through the heartless beast 😉 If it was me i'd want to be whacked off my face enjoying the journey.
Incredible nonetheless and I'm sure i can hear Tom Hanks updating his CV as I type.
EDIT EDIT : ALL OUT, well fark me sideways, amazing story !
The 12th boy has been rescued, the Thai navy Seals have confirmed. “Hooyah.”
The Thai Navy seals have confirmed the four “frogs” remain in the cave. These are a doctor and three navy seals who have been supporting the boys.
News on TV saying the coach is out too.
Great news, let's hope the cave can be cleared/de-rigged safely.
Amazing effort.
Just 4 more divers to go now. Amazing. 👍🏼
Fantastic news!!
Great news, let’s hope the cave can be cleared/de-rigged safely.
I suppose the sensible move is just to get everyone out and leave the kit until dry season comes back around
Looking forward to the BBC (with Canal+) documentary!
"Hooyah!"
OK... We got work to do chaps....... time to decide who will be the cast....
https://www.imdb.com/list/ls000340192/
Well it may turn out that they were given sedatives as a precaution but I'd put my money on those particular kids not needing them. Fantastic result just sadly marred by the death of the rescue diver. I hope it will comfort his family to know just what a remarkable rescue he was part of and that there are 13 lives that will continue thanks to his sacrifice of his own.
Fully sedating them and bringing them out as parcels option would have probably been discounted as there were long sections of just cave walking and a rock climb/scramble. my understanding is they'd just inject a drug to cut out the fright/flight/panic bit in the brain.
excellent news
Yay!
Cool story news day.
Well done all involved and makes me wonder how much homework they have to catch up on.
They sent in an anaesthetist as one of the divers. Coincidence?
I'm sure I read that they were doing mild sedation and pulling the boys along. Enough to stop them panicking, not enough to turn them into a sack of potatoes. Whether that was a forum comment or news announcement, I can't remember.
Gob smacked they have got them all out. Amazing work, lets hope they get all the divers out too
An amazing story, sad a diver died, but it could have been worse. Glad it took some media coverage away from a stupid balloon.
Awesome news. It's not over till everyone is out though so a bit more to go.
It was confirmed that an anti-anxiety drug was used not sedation.
Absolutely BRILLIANT news! Well done all involved.
I think it’s almost a forgone conclusion that an element of sedation was involved; it would seem daft not to. Useful tool.
Amazing news!
If it was me down there, I'd want every bit of sedation going before making that journey!!
Brave lads & the diving team that rescued them have a level of expertise that I can't even comprehend. A real great outcome, apart from the poor Thai diver who lost his life; RIP. I hope his family find some solace knowing that what a worthwhile job he was doing.
BTW expert interview I saw was saying it's standard practice and done mainly to keep breathing nicely calm and controlled, no one is suggesting the kids didn't have the stomach for it.
if they offer sedation before shoving a tube up into a dark wet place, seems only right they'd offer it before shoving you into a tube in a dark wet place.
Oh, marvellous stuff.. just teh headline on the BBC site is enough to warm the cockles!
(And we don't need a Teresa ****ing May Tweet to tell us it's a good new story!)
Here's hoping the last few rescuers get out ok.
Given how much monitoring is required when someone is completely sedated and comatose that's not going to happen in a flooded cave. IME they are loathe to do it even in an operating theatre - my hip replacement was done under local anaesthetic FFS! OK, a rather large local but the anaesthetist was much happier I had that than a general.
I think sedation and general anaesthesia are getting confused on this thread. There are many degrees of sedation.
Yep sedation and anti anxiety drugs really you can make people not worry about what is going on around them Valium style
BBC radio news just said that all the children & their coach are OUT!!!!!!!!!!!
E P I C .
I bet the film rights are being negotiated right now.
prospective producers have already been interviewing people at the rescue site
pretty cool that FIFA have offered the kids to come to the WC final, gutting they cant make it!
pretty cool that FIFA have offered the kids to come to the WC final, gutting they cant make it!
ManU have just invited them all to Old Trafford (many of them are fans).
It is a pity they can't get to the WC final though - that really would make a perfect end for the inevitable film.
that really would make a perfect end for the inevitable film
There is nothing to stop it happening in the film
I'm likimg that they look completely in control of the media and there was no sneaky photos of the children being released before they we're all out. No leaks from hospital either
The Thai Prime Minister said they were given anti-anxiety drugs. One of the cave diving specialists (and presumably one of the thirteen involved in the retrieval activities) is a bloke called Richard Harris from Adelaide who's day job is an anaesthetist. Regardless of the level of drugs administered he's ideal for the job.
I’m likimg that they look completely in control of the media
That is one of the things that has been so impressive. They have 1000 people involved, international teams, experts, volunteers, egos.... They all need to be fed and have transport, as well as somewhere to sleep. There will be hundreds of media, with similar requirements who also need to be controlled. Then there are the families, and the press pretending to be relatives to get better access.
The logistics, planning and execution of what they have done is mind blowing
I’m liking that they look completely in control of the media and there was no sneaky photos of the children being released before they we’re all out. No leaks from hospital either
Yes, absolutely briliant job.
Not sure about watching film where the plot is completely known. Would have to be damn-well acted 🙂
The logistics, planning and execution of what they have done is mind blowing
Yep, its remarkable what can be achieved in a well run dictatorship!
It is an amazing story though. I can't imagine what they went through trapped in the dark for a week. They've showed bravery and fortitude well beyond their years to come through that intact.
Kudos to all the divers involved too. Skill and bravery in equal measure.
There is nothing to stop it happening in the film
Or making it so it was the US Marines who saved them all, as the Thai authorities just looked on in awe.
Brilliant job. I just hope that the kids aren't too messed up as a result of it.
In the film the Marines, led by by a Dwayne Johnson look-a-like, blow a new opening and haul them out on a rope hanging from a helicopter as the piranaha infested water levels rise.
I’m likimg that they look completely in control of the media
Yeah. They arrested an "international" journalist for trying to fly a drone over the area.
They arrested an “international” journalist for trying to fly a drone over the area
Hope they chucked him/her deep into the cave 🙂
Everyone is out now including the last divers and doctor. Good work.
Totally amazing achievement, staggered that it all went so smoothly.
I was a ships diver in the Royal Navy, and even just going underneath a ship in the dim murky waters of a dockyard was bad enough. The thought of doing it in a cave? Noooop.
My heart goes out to the family of diver Saman.
Don't know if it's just the grauniad, but a bit dissapointed at the lack of mention of the bloke wot died. Would be good if they could take him more into account.
He was a hero
Staggering achievement by everyone involved, they are true heros!