[Closed] Teachers striking again!!!!!

jealousy would seem to be the main reason for dislking their pension deal, how very honest of you

jealousy

I work for a private firm and I am very happy with my current pension arrangement.

akysurf - Member

"I've got about 40 seconds into that video and everything in it is total pish."

Refuse to listen, fail to comprehend, and then change the subject.

It's a video made by right wing nutjobs designed to make the 'liberal' point of view as absurd as possible. The most transparent propaganda, providing both sides of the debate. Watch the Gay Marriage one or the Gun Control one, you'd have to be completely credulous to take anything from these videos except that the creators are idiots.

And this is from the same people:

A Hitler Bunker parody! Democrats = Nazis!

Freakin idiots.

Okay lets ignore the first two comments then..

...so your saying I have no entitlement to form an opinion

Oxboy - Member

A teacher friend of mine said he was striking, I asked him several questions regarding his pension and the changes that have been proposed which he couldn't answer.
I'ts just another excuse for yet another day off.
I really don't think they know how well off they are, I'm quite jealous of them really!

Become a teacher then.

There is no way to control this and come up with a fair and objective measure of performance given they all work with different "materials".

I my job no two collegues have the same materials or objectives, but we are all measured on our performance and rewarded accordingly.

Become a teacher then.

Personally, I'd be bored

I explained why you could not do this for teaching...I did not say you could not do it for your job.
TBH I would be surprised if you could get through unless it was to teach freanch obviously 😉 if we ever teach ranting though I am sure you will be on too a winner

I explained why you could not do this for teaching...I did not say you could not do it for your job.

ehhh....plain english!

if we ever teach ranting though I am sure you will be on too a winner

...is that called for?

Main pay scale including NQTs:

•London fringe: £22,626 to £32,588
•Outer London: £25,117 to £35,116
•Inner London: £27,000 to £36,387
•Rest of England and Wales: £21,588 to £31,552

.....happy days

Median salary in UK is [url= http://www.statistics.gov.uk/cci/nugget.asp?id=10 ]£499/wk or £26k/y[/url].

The National Statistics figures above are not London weighted. So we can assume that outside London the figure is lower.

Essentially, the typical teacher earns an above average salary. Teachers are in the top half of all wage earners in the UK. And they have a Govt guaranteed defined benefit pension scheme. If they are complaining about pay or conditions, they need to think again.

There is no sympathy for greedy teachers. Even in the Unions in question.

akysurf - Member

"if we ever teach ranting though I am sure you will be on too a winner"

...is that called for?

I'd say it was fair game after posting that ridiculous 'debate' video.

akysurf - Member

"I explained why you could not do this for teaching...I did not say you could not do it for your job."

ehhh....plain english!

Yes, yes it is.

dmjb4

So a person with a degree and diploma earning around the average wage is greedy. These are highly qualified people. The average wage includes all the folk with no qualifications. Teachers work long hours in conditions that are often very stressful - do you know any?

what planet are you on?

I explained why you could not do this for teaching...I did not say you could not do it for your job.
ehhh....plain english!

.is that called for?

I'd say it was fair game after posting that ridiculous 'debate' video.

debate it then....don't just dismiss it, and change the subject.

I've already stated my view on the videos produced by those people.

The video is both irrelevant and nonsense

The typical teacher earns an above average salary.....Teachers are in the top half of all wage earners in the UK......There is no sympathy for greedy teachers

Are you saying that teachers do not deserve to be earning an 'above average salary'?

I've already stated my view on the videos produced by those people.

so when you listen to the BBC/ITV/C4 news, you check the credentials of the producers also?

TJ - doesn't the same apply to investment bankers? Highly qualified, work long hours. Burnt out in 20 years.

I agree that highly qualified people should earn more than average.

The point I was making is that they are asking the bigger part of the population that earns less than them to subsidise their already gold plated pensions. Quite reasonably, there's been a bit of negative feedback.

Oh dear, mention of bankers....

Cue the frothing indignation.

•Rest of England and Wales: £21,588 to £31,552

.....happy days

Median salary in UK is £499/wk or £26k/y.

The National Statistics figures above are not London weighted. So we can assume that outside London the figure is lower.

Essentially, the typical teacher earns an above average salary

•Rest of England and Wales: £21,588 to £31,552 that would be about £26k average then.

They're not fighting about pay it's about their pension plan being changed, no wouldn't complain if their pension was changed to one that's worse. They've decided to take action about this where other would moan and just let themselves be shafted. I'm not saying it's right as I not a believer in striking from essential workers but they're doing what they feel is necessary.

The point I was making is that they are asking the bigger part of the population that earns less than them to subsidise their already gold plated pensions. Quite reasonably, there's been a bit of negative feedback.

But this is not the case.

FFS -
i) the pensions are not gold plated
2) the taxpayer contribution is capped so no excessive subsidy
3) the scheme has already been reformed

Actually the teachers thru their taxes are indirectly subsidising all those private sector businesses that don't have pensions for their workers as their workers will retire on benefits.

You have been conned by the propaganda. Don't be a sheep
Investment bankers earn huge sums - far more than any teacher

akysurf - Member

"I've already stated my view on the videos produced by those people."

so when you listen to the BBC/ITV/C4 news, you check the credentials of the producers also?

I don't really watch TV.

You can't compare the average UK salary to teachers, you need to compare similarly qualified people.

Teacher = basic 2.2 from any uni.
Goldman Sachs = best in class at top 10 uni.

Investment bankers are also massively more qualified than teachers. More than me and most of the people on here.

I never thought I'd hear TJ admit that bankers deserve their money!

Drac - £26,570 actually. A teacher outside London earns 2.5% more than the average worker nationally (including London).

The typical teacher earns an above average salary..

All investment bankers work for Goldman Sachs?

For balance, I earned a LOT more putting plaster on walls than I have teaching, but hey don't let that get in the way of your posting of "suit yourself" statistics. Teaching = Degree +post grad+probation; ie six years. For the record, I will swap bank cards with a merchant banker any time.

It's not suit myself statistics is it? One set are official govt figures and one set were from teaching union website! There are no real alternative data sets that we can use.

One the other point, yes, me too.

Drac - £26,570 actually. A teacher outside London earns 2.5% more than the average worker nationally (including London)

Like said about that's not a huge amount given the average covers a huge population and includes teachers. Like already said it's not about wages and you need to like for like not just national average.

Anyway I'm off to be work shy and get the rest of the uk to pay for my pension while I still can.

Comparing like for like using the London weighting provided for teachers would turn the 2.5% into more like 25%.

It's not suit myself statistics is it?

Where's your like for like then? For a private teacher Vs normal?

You can't just say oooh it'll be 25%.

Right must dash laziness to be done at work.

No need for that tag. Mods?

Goldman Sachs = best in class at top 10 uni.

Investment bankers are also massively more qualified than teachers. More than me and most of the people on here.

Of course they are

whereas....

dmj, Last year of Uni I broke my ankle and couldn't plaster. I took a job, the worst I have ever had, in a call centre. The place was full of people with ordinary degrees in "International relations" and "Media studies,(reading a paper?)" who were never going to do anything other than work for effing clientlogic (may the fleas of a thousand camels infect their armpits) for £12,500 a year, happy in the knowledge that a new warhammer figure could be bought every couple of weeks. I would suggest they even out the average amount earned by grad. Teaching = six years,same as accountants and lawyers.

No need for that tag. Mods?

Agreed. If calling someone boring on a tag is 'offensive', the they should take similar action..........

tag

Resorting to abuse = trait of a loser

Taggers have had 30mins to remove tags and not done so, so I've reported them.
If you haven't got the balls to say something face to face, or as face to face as you can on a forum, don't be a spineless gimp in the tags.

+1 but I reported it first
I hate the way folk use tags to do personal insults/digs it is cowardice
TBH i rarely read them for this reason

Teacher = basic 2.2 from any uni.

I have a 2:1 actually
and a Masters
and a PhD

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[u]Since when did I say I was a banker?[/u]