Anyone interested in doing some research into Syria and the conflict that is devastating the country?
Seen a lot of reports from CNN and FOX, as well as other western sources that is either inaccurate or just plain retarded.
The whole con that has been instigated by outside influences is now falling apart, however before the media changes it's tune is anyone interested in actually finding out what it going on?
Couldn't you just look into it and let us know?
retarded
Can you please stop using words like 'retarded' in your threads.
kaesae: just for a change, this time could you possibly provide some kind evidence for your categorical pronouncements of fact, ideally with links to the sources? Please?
The whole "get someone else to 'research' it for you then dismiss their findings" approach really isn't working for me.
Can you please stop using words like 'retarded' in your threads.
Seconded. And you've been warned about that before.
If you're so concerned about it, do the legwork yourself. Try al-Jazeera for starters.
Many hands make light work and any info I provide will be argued against.
However here is what I firmly believe to have caused it, seeing the protests in the country that have been instigated via media and online means, CIA operatives that are in fact foreign mercenaries paid by the CIA/US took advantage of the situation.
They infiltrated Syria and positioned themselves in an elevated place with sniper rifles then fired into the crowds of protesters and the police/security forces, coming under fire the police and security forces returned fire.
At first there was only a handful of foreign operatives which made it much easier to hide their presence, however inside the borders of Turkey and other neighboring states hundreds more American / Saudi and others of their allies, had funded and equiped fighters were waiting.
These fighters then moved into heavily populated areas and used the buildings and civilians as human shields, being armed with M16 and other US weapons that are far more useful as sniper rifles, they have been able to inflict casualties from a distance.
Yes the Syrian army has used their tanks and mortars etc, however I cannot see that they have any other choice, these are extremist fighters from all over the world, they are using all the tactics you would expect from extremists, car bombs, public executions of men women and children.
What the TV is reporting is just lies, yes the Syrian army will have killed civilians in the cross fire, however a lot of the reports and footage that is coming out of Syria of atrocities commited by the government is in fact being commited by the FSA.
Do you not think that in the interests of fairness and justice, you should be interested in finding out what is actually happening?
Al Gazeera has no credibility with anyone that values the truth, they are a propaganda arm for Qatar!
As for not using the word retarded, how is the word retarded not a valid word?
Have you had the zombies look into it for you?
Refugee camps being controlled by FSA?
http://www.isn.ethz.ch/isn/Security-Watch/Articles/Detail/?lng=en&id=152780
what u say there is utter crap ! think u just watched too mant tom clancy films mate !
nobbyq, how have you been able to determine that it is utter crap and where is your information to make such a determination coming from?
Can you please stop using words like 'retarded' in your threads.
And that's bad why? Isn't that rather the point of a discussion?
What the TV is reporting is just lies...
As I said: links? sources?
Where are you getting your "truth" from?
As for not using the word retarded, how is the word retarded not a valid word?
Try replacing with "mentally handicapped" and see if that answers your question.
It's this generations version of calling someone a "spastic"
The western world should mind their own business unless they want to welcome the entire population to the western world. Feed them, house them and give them jobs.
I suggest Dear Leaders start the nuke war once and for all.
Grahams although I truly feel that your parents should have been the ones to inform you that assumption is the root of all ignorance. That ignorance is at best a weakness and at worst a prelude to not only disappointment but also potential failure to a catastrophic extent.
I did not at any point say mentally retarded nor did I at any time give any reason for you or anyone else to assume that I meant mentally retarded.
Retarded means the act of delaying as in brain farting, which is anther saying I am known for using. Let us say that in this instance retarded relates to the delayed application or understanding/revealing of the truth!
That when I say retarded what I mean by it is that the lies and falsehoods perpetrated by the media delay the truth, just like Afghanistan and Iraq the truth about the situation we find ourselves in will be revealed.
Trolling is a bad thing. Why not go to Syriantrackworld instead?
Lazy definitions of trolling is a bad thing too. Having a different opinion is not trolling.
Is it opinion? These threads often appear to imply that kaesae already knows the answer and that we are being tested on our knowledge/ ignorance , well in my zombie western understanding anyway. Not that I don't love a kaesae thread you understand....
crikey, this issue is very serious to me, not only because of the devastation that is occurring in Syria but because of the massive gap between what people in the UK believe and the actual truth and facts of the matter.
Anyone arguing that the people of Syria would destroy their history and culture is mad! the extremists are raiding archeological sites and then selling on priceless artifacts. The are destroying sites that are sacred to those who follow Judaism, Christianity and the Muslin culture.
There is no way to reconcile this fact with saying that it is the people of Syria that are fighting.
Add to that the plight of the civilians in Syria who cannot escape the fighting as the refugee camps are controlled by the FSA!
This is a catastrophe that affects everyone that cares about humanity and the way this war is being fought is a true measure of how far into insanity and deprivation the so called civilized west has fallen.
Although I realize there are far more important matters to be discussed by the vast majority of individuals that frequent this forum and make up it's community, I am hoping that there are some beings left on STW who have enough depth of understanding and compassion towards others to realize, this is a very important issue.
[i]Lazy definitions of trolling is a bad thing too. Having a different opinion is not trolling.[/i]
Having a different opinion and posting it up in a deliberately antagonistic way with the intention of provoking responses which can then be argued against strikes me as a pretty clear trolling attempt.
YMMV.
i just looked up Syria on maps on my new iPhone 5. Didn't know it was just south of Rotherham?
crikey, I cannot be held accountable if the truth is antagonistic.
What I have said is in all honesty my opinion of the events, that I have come to through research.
This is a serious issue, what if we simply agreed to look for evidence or information and then try to eliminate it using logical analysis.
Surely on an issue this serious it would be good to determine the truth, not only of what is happening in Syria but also if the broad spectrum media is a reliable unbiased source of info?
Do you know what this is?
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It appears that you are using one on the English language. Troll.
[i]This is a serious issue, what if we simply agreed to look for evidence or information and then try to eliminate it using logical analysis.
Surely on an issue this serious it would be good to determine the truth, not only of what is happening in Syria but also if the broad spectrum media is a reliable unbiased source of info?[/i]
Knock yourself out fella, you go and research what ever is interesting you at the moment. I'm taking a break from sorting my stuff out for the 3 Peaks, and Syria and its attendant problems are not a concern to me today.
[i]What the TV is reporting is just lies, yes the Syrian army will have killed civilians in the cross fire, however a lot of the reports and footage that is coming out of Syria of atrocities commited by the government is in fact being commited by the FSA.[/i]
As you have asked others can I ask for the source of your information please. Conspiracy theorists websites not acceptable as evidence.
Er hang on, you've just changed track a bit there with the whole stealing artifacts thing or is this another part of your issue with the war in syria? As for its importance to the users of singletrack, well i'd imagine that most will be aware of the reporting of what is happening and i personally dont think the BBC are in the back pocket of the CIA/ MI6 ( i've no proof of course). The difference is probably that most people dont see it the way you appear to.
kaesae - Member
Add to that the plight of the civilians in Syria who cannot escape the fighting as the refugee camps are controlled by the FSA!
I foresee another war after this war ... 🙄
Means, motive, opportunity.
So, firstly - how would the CIA "infiltrate" Syria with sniper rifles? Could the Syrian secret service infiltrate the UK with sniper rifles without anyone noticing? I highly doubt it, and there's no reason to suspect the Syrian security is any less than ours.
Secondly, why? Iraq had oil, and a leader who had made personal enemies of the US president. Assad wasn't Washington's favourite dictator, but what's the motive?
CIA operatives that are in fact foreign mercenaries paid by the CIA/US took advantage of the situation.
Source please.
Pebblebeach how can any source of information be discredited regardless of the validity of the information or ability of the information to be corroborated.
To state categorically that those who investigate such occurrences that do not match the events that are reported in the broad spectrum corporate media or by government bodies, as not being credible, is to ignore the possibility of the truth being determined by the evidence and the facts. Rather than by bodies of individuals that have a vested financial interest in reporting what they are told too.
[i]Pebblebeach how can any source of information be discredited regardless of the validity of the information or ability of the information to be corroborated.[/i]
But you're discrediting mass media
What's your information source? Simple enough question.
Retarded means the act of delaying as in brain farting
Does it?
retarded (adj): less advanced in mental, physical, or social development than is usual for one’s age
-- http://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/retarded?q=retardedretarded (adj): having had a slower mental development than other people of the same age
mentally/emotionally retarded
-- http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/british/retarded_1?q=retardedretarded (adj): [i]sometimes offensive [/i]: slow or limited in intellectual or emotional development or academic progress
-- http://i.word.com/idictionary/retardedretarded (adj) 1 slowed down or delayed. 2 old use said of a person: backward in physical or especially mental development.
-- http://www.chambers.co.uk/search.php?query=Retarded&title=21st
Just don't use it, okay?
Happy to help pay for you to go there and do some research for us
Deary me Kaesae you would not recognise the truth if it introduced itself to you , shook by the hand and then drew you a really simple picture
I am sure there is a suitable site where you can discuss your wild and out there conspiracy theories. I assume by now you have realised that this is not the place for this what with us being rational and you being , well, you.
assumption is the root of all ignorance
I thought it was ginseng?
I am sure there is a suitable site where you can discuss your wild and out there conspiracy theories. I assume by now you have realised that this is not the place for this what with us being rational and you being , well, you.
You probably ought to explain why kaesae gets multi-page responses to his threads if "this is not the place" for them.
Personally I don't get involved in kaesae's threads preferring instead the role of causal observer, but many people, GrahamS for example, appear to find them quite irresistible.
And challenging perceived truths certainly makes a difference to the predictable and deary old "we all hate fat people/politicians/Tesco/etc/etc" threads.
Is it wrong to call someone a tit? That's the response this thread is eliciting from me.
[i]Personally I don't get involved in kaesae's threads preferring instead the role of causal observer, but many people, GrahamS for example, appear to find them quite irresistible.[/i]
Preferring instead to tut and shake your head more like.
And challenging perceived truths certainly makes a difference to the predictable and deary old "we all hate fat people/politicians/Tesco/etc/etc" threads.
indeed, its a shame he cannot express himself more succinctly,but plenty of marks for effort.
It is one of the founding principles of Buddhism, not to accept the given, but to be ever critical-- not that i'm a Buddhist,you need the option of targeted violence towards your adversaries 😉
Why not have a look at this for starters
Preferring instead to tut and shake your head more like.
Silly comment Crikey, which I assume was made in the spirit of petty schoolyard taunting. I don't have any strong opinions regarding kaesae's threads. There is often an element of truth in what he says, although he often exaggerates and over-eggs the pudding imo.
Let's also go back a while to 9/11 so we can put the media propaganda for going to war into context
and come to understand that what you see on TV and what the media reports is not the truth.
We went to war with Afghanistan and Iraq based on nothing but lies and we have committed a great crime against Libya as well as the one we now commit against Syria.
[i]Silly comment Crikey[/i]
Gee thanks for pointing that out; you're still tutting...
Why not have a look at this for starters
OK - read it. Reasonable chat with a bloke who knows a lot about Syria but lives in France. It doesn't refer to anything you've said about foreign operatives etc. Discounted it.
Sources for your claims please?
[i]and come to understand that what you see on TV and what the media reports is not the truth[/i]
Really?
I'm thinking I might go with a Rocket Ron on the front for the Peaks, but keep a semi slick on the rear. What do you think?
I've still not seen you present the sources for your info, therefor I'm out.
If anyone wants to argue can you please simply start up another thread.
Tootall do you want to start at the beggining or not? we first need to build up a picture of the media and also Syria, before we get started on the conflict, or it has no context!
If anyone wants to argue can you please simply start up another thread.
What do you mean, argue? So are you saying that we can only ask questions, and not challenge assumptions,or ask for sources ?
if you state an opinion, then expect others to question/disagree
I did ask you if you have read any Marx, --try Lenin's 'Left Wing Communism- An Infantile Disorder'-- you might find it pertinent
Stop avoiding the question with your tin foil hatted conspiracy fruit cakiness, Rocket Ron on the front?
rudebwoy the difference between argument and debate / discussion is that the latter has the capacity for learning and growth and the former does not.
I will be putting forward evidence and sources later on, for now it would be a good idea I think to get anyone that want to be involved together and built up a picture of what's going on in Syria.
So the facts are not relevant because they do not fit what the media tells you?
We went to war with Afghanistan and Iraq based on lies, millions of innocent people are dead and you would rather embrace the falsehood that we are a just people, rather than accept that we are in fact the real terrorists and mass murderers into the bargain?
When nothing you see, hear or experience can challenge your perspective on things, can you not see that as being a potential problem.
crikey can you really argue that we can trust the media? is it not based on sensationalism and aggrandizement. Are those that report the news not paid a fortune to do so and do the media organizations not belong to individuals who are rich and powerful?
What do you mean "we"?
I didn't kill anyone in Iraq or Afghanistan, and I didn't vote for anyone who did.
You're making the same category error that many in the media you hate make - assuming that the people of a country are equivalent to the policies of that country.
Kaesae- beliefs are the enemy of knowledge -- discuss
If anyone wants to argue can you please simply start up another thread.
Brilliant, absolutely brilliant!!
Yes, yes, you've obviously been using the internet and with the arrogance that can accompany solitude, you think that you've found out things that no one else is aware of. Well done you.
Will you be touching on the assassination of JFK in your far reaching exposition? Perhaps Marilyn Monroe? Maybe you could deconstruct the Waco siege, or the Philadelphia experiment, briefly pausing to consider the entry of the US into the second world war as a consequence of Pearl Harbour?
Did we ever land on the moon, hmm? Roswell wasn't it? Little green men, jumpers for goalposts, conspiracy theory down the ages, an enduring image....
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i think its time for some music, King Tubby meets Lee Perry at the grass roots of Dub....
bencooper, was it or was it not the taxes paid by those who live in the UK that paid for the UK involvement in the wars?
We are spending billions/trillions of $/£ on war and making enemies, when we could be using it to help people!
It seems to me that the OP really needs to get out to these places and speak, observe and make his own mind up on what is the truth, i foolishly debated on here with him about Libya and what would i know i only work here and have done for four years.
DO NOT FEED THE TROLLS
crikey, how would you describe your mood today?
bencooper, was it or was it not the taxes paid by those who live in the UK that paid for the wars?
So I'm now responsible for how every penny of my taxes is spent?
I feel no guilt about Iraq, Libya, Afghanistan etc - annoyance, disgust, revulsion, yes. But not guilt - because [i]it wasn't me[/i].
So I'm now responsible for how every penny of my taxes is spent?
Yup. So while you're here, why are my bins not being collected?
Dunno - have you overfilled it again?
Seriously, though, this is the trap that our "leaders" want us to fall into. They want us to accept some responsibility for what they do. But when less than 1-in-5 people actually voted for the bloke in power, the idea of collective responsibility is a load of bollocks.
Ah thats better,
western democracies are a sham, the only thing they offer is different flavours of tripe.
OK - read it. Reasonable chat with a bloke who knows a lot about Syria but lives in France. It doesn't refer to anything you've said about foreign operatives etc. Discounted it.
Rule #19 of kaesae threads: things he links to don't actually back up what he says they do.
You're not supposed to actually read them. If you must point this out then start your own thread 😉
It seems to me that the OP really needs to get out to these places and speak, observe and make his own mind up on what is the truth, i foolishly debated on here with him about Libya and what would i know i only work here and have done for four years.
Clearly you must work for the CIA/MI6/NSA/Rothschilds/LizardPeople too 😀
How did you sneak in those sniper rifles and mind control devices past Syrian customs?
How did you sneak in those sniper rifles and mind control devices past Syrian customs?
I could tell you, but unfortunately I would have to [s]start a new thread[/s] kill you.
Aah grahams, you magnificent basteward! yet again you have outsmarted me and proven you are in fact worthy of adoration and the respect of your peers.
The song that features the lyrics what a man! what a man! what a really cool man! is in fact I can confirm, playing inside my mind as I type this.
I do however have more questions than you could imagine at this point in time, many accompanied by WTF!!! however since you are here and so am I. I have a question for you, it would appear that I am yet again in error in regards to my grasping of a situation. So I will endeavour to learn more from those whose intellectual process far surpasses my own.
I am curious about your reference to the word retarded in regards to a situation rather than an individual and would be very interested to know something.
How is it that you feel or believe that when I mention a global catastrophe such as the retarded situation in Syria. I am somehow using the word to describe an individual with a mental handicap? How can the word retarded be applied to the situation in Syria in regards to it relating to an individual human being or group of human beings?
It seems to me that you are taking the word completely out of context for what ever reasons or motivations you are driven by, however I fail to see how the situation in Syria cannot be described as retarded.
If we judge each country by it capacity to develop and grow and to provide for it's citizens, can we not then describe the situation in Syria as retarded, simply because it delays the social development of the people in Syria?
Consider that the truth in relation to a human being right to equality, is the best course of action to take in any given situation or circumstance to enable individuals to live in a stable, safe and productive environment.
If you can tell me how you would better describe the situation in Syria than retarded? I will tell you if I agree with you!
kaesae, do you live in the uk?
i think its time for some music, [b]King[/b] Tubby meets Lee Perry at the grass roots of Dub....
Typical imperialist running dog music.
beanieripper, I have not yet escaped!
However I am looking for a way!
I am somehow using the word to describe an individual with a mental handicap
the term you are grasping about for is Learning difficulty - preceded with the word people - because they are people first.
Think The n word - coloured - to black you are at the second stage now in outdated terminology now considered offensive and/or no longer used.
Graham is correct please stop using it- a few of us have asked is it that big a deal to use another word?
It is too much to ask that I embrace delusionment and falsehood in the form of misrepresentation of the facts, the word retarded in relation to a situation, does not in any way shape or form have the same meaning as in reference to an individual or group thereof.
Furthermore, learning difficulty or mental handicap mean the exact same thing. What if we said that a golfer had a learning difficulty in relation to playing golf or a golfer had a playing handicap. Can this in anyway be proven to be a statement that is false?
We are discussing a handicap that affects ones mental capacity, how can someone be wrong for saying something, when that which they are saying cannot be proven to be wrong or false, except that it offends the sensibilities of those that seize upon it as a way to criticize and discredit others.
Your arguments lack any true grasp of the situation, if what I am saying can be proven to be wrong then by all means explain how that is?
Gotta be worth a bump 😀
Furthermore, learning difficulty or mental handicap mean the exact same thing.
Like the N word, coloured and black do? They have very different levels of offence associated with them just like the words you are using.
What if we said that a golfer had a learning difficulty in relation to playing golf or a golfer had a playing handicap. Can this in anyway be proven to be a statement that is false?
see above- but it is still offensive - not golf, granted it is a waste of time but offensive is way to harsh IMHO
We are discussing a handicap that affects ones mental capacity,
THAT IS WHY IT IS OFFENSIVE 🙄
PS you also seem to be saying we all have a handicap - is that not offensive to us all ?
how can someone be wrong for saying something, when that which they are saying cannot be proven to be wrong or false, except that it offends the sensibilities of those that seize apon it as a way to criticize and discredit others.
Who said it was wrong - I think you were the only one to deny it meant what we said it means only to clarify further by explaining it meaning what was said
It is offensive not wrong I could call you a rude word like say a **** and it may be offensive but nor wrong for example.
Your arguments lack any true grasp of the situation, if what I am saying can be proven to be wrong then by all means explain how that is?
See my example of black people yet again.
How is it that you feel or believe that when I mention a global catastrophe such as the retarded situation in Syria. I am somehow using the word to describe an individual with a mental handicap? How can the word retarded be applied to the situation in Syria in regards to it relating to an individual human being or group of human beings?
So when you said that western news reports were "inaccurate or just plain retarded" you just meant that some of the reports were just a bit delayed?
I see.
How about when you called us all "retards" in your climate change thread? Were you saying we were late?
Or when you recently said the UK had a "mentally retarded culture"? (recent fatties thread)
I fail to see how the situation in Syria cannot be described as retarded.
So by that you mean you think the situation is being held back or delayed?
Or do you mean you think the situation is not sane?
Because the former makes no sense and the latter is insulting.
In short, argue whatever tinfoil theories you like, but please stop trying to justify using an offensive term and [b]just use something else[/b].
I take offence at the massive death toll in Libya and Syria and the medias lies and deceit about what is really going on, a lot of you take offence concerning the use of the word retarded?
Good too see that you have your priorities in order, how can something be inaccurate but the truth? and if the truth of what is really happening in the situation is being delayed, how is it not also being retarded.
Here you go guys, something I think you will appreciate
This isn't the exception this is pretty much the norm.
And goodnight