@relapsed_mandalorian I couldn't give a shit what his position is, I already said he had good points. What's annoyed me is his constant distortion/misrepresentation/call it what you will of what people are actually saying.
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Just don't read my posts SK. They are often several paragraphs long so as soon as you see my name at the top ignore it and scroll down to the next post. Simples.
relapsed_mandalorian
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Ernie, it’s been explained enough, either read what people actually write or bugger off and let people have a discussion blow smoke up each others arses for sharing the same righteous postion without you screaming in the middle of another bloody topic circle-jerk.
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Just don’t read my posts SK. They are often several paragraphs long so as soon as you see my name at the top ignore it and scroll down to the next post. Simples.
So we're back to the circlejerk?
As I said, you do actually make good points but for some reason...
My last word on the matter - promise - do you not wonder that when several people tell you the same thing all at once (that you're basically making stuff up) they might actually be telling the truth? It's not like TJ, Binners and I are known for our collective harmony now is it?
As I said, you do actually make good points but for some reason…
But for some reason I really annoy you, as you keep telling me. Seriously, just skip my posts, or do you enjoy getting annoyed?
There 2 or 3 people on here whose posts I find tedious and predictable, I generally either skip them or very quickly scan them, I don't create a song and dance and throw personal insults at them.
In contrast I get the impression SK that you go through my posts with a fine tooth comb, why? You know my form now - I don't blame brexit for everything that is wrong and I don't support the opinion that the majority of voters are racists.
If that winds you up that much why bother engaging - you must have better ways of spending the bank holiday weekend than getting angry with random punters on social media?
do you not wonder that when several people tell you the same thing all at once (that you’re basically making stuff up) they might actually be telling the truth? It’s not like TJ, Binners and I are known for our collective harmony now is it?
Well first of all I am not aware that I have made anything up, it is certainly not my intention to do so. If I have misunderstood a point then apologies, although it's possible that you have misunderstood my point.
Secondly I don't tailor my opinions and what I post to satisfy you, binners, and TJ. Me and binners don't actually engage, he regularly posts some hyperbolic rant which I sometimes challenge, he invariably responds by posting pictures. TJ has a problem as he can't quite reconcile the fact that I don't agree with him that brexit is the cause of everything that is wrong, apparently he agrees with me on most other things. And you? Well I just annoy you - you might be surprised how little that bothers me. So no, I'm not going to change my opinions to suit what you three feel they should be.
Edit: Reading back this sounds more hostile than intended : "you might be surprised how little that bothers me". To be clear it's not my intention to annoy you, but I would suggest that you take the same attitude as I take and not get annoyed, or simply ignore me.
I don’t support the opinion that the majority of voters are racists.
See, there you again. No one has said that “the majority of voters are racists”.
brexit is the cause of everything that is wrong
Said no one.
See, there you again. No one has said that “the majority of voters are racists”.
Two pages ago on this very thread :
it’s safe to assume that a majority of the electorate in this country are so credulous and gullible, they’ll buy into any old anti-immigrant bollocks
I am glad you can confirm that the majority of the electorate who "buy into any old anti-immigrant bollocks" aren't racist.
I hadn't realised and I find that warmly reassuring.
They are people who aren’t racist that buy into the “blame the foreigners” nonsense, for sure. Tell them everything is under threat due to “swarms” and “floods” and the sheer (faked) scale of the (vastly exaggerated) problem makes them afraid and supportive of measures to “secure the borders”… and against those who they are told want “open door” and “uncontrolled” immigration (even though they don’t).
Guys guys - its all going round in circles! Stop!
I know thats rich coming from me but I do try to learn 🙂
🔁 😆 🦉
When you’re right, you’re right.
Earlier today I read some comments from Florida’s State Representative, DeSantos, going on about how much he likes being in England, and how in some ways it’s like being at home.
Now, if that isn’t a truly terrifying thought, I’m not sure what is. 😖
It now has a name... 'National Conservatism' and it does indeed have some thoroughly unpleasant far right bedfellows that we should all be concerned about.
The foes and bugbears that will be decried include “political theories grounded in race”, and “a powerful new Marxism”.
develop the kind of chaotic populism associated with figures such as Donald Trump and Boris Johnson into something much more moralistic, and highly organised and codified.
National conservatism, they say, is a movement that wants “a world of independent nations”, societies centred on the traditional family (“built around a lifelong bond between a man and a woman” and therefore spurning “ever more radical forms of sexual licence and experimentation”), and a big official role for Christianity (“which should be honoured by the state and other institutions both public and private”).
Strength through unity, unity through faith!
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Sounds very much like the nasty bunch opposing assisted dying.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/small-boats-sunak-braverman-rwanda-b2328318.html
“I’ve been to Rwanda, and the shadow of the genocide there in the 1990s hangs over that country. It’s ruled with a very firm hand by Paul Kagame,” he said of the current president, a former military commander.
“It’s got a pretty dark history, and it’s not the sort of environment I would put people from Syria and elsewhere in the world into.”
This in an mailout from Byline Supplement today. The current Conservatives and 'Conservatism' aka populist far right BS align and it's fair to judge people by the company they keep. Sunak included.
Rishi Sunak Defends Suella Braverman’s Appearance at Radical ‘National Conservatism’ Event Alongside ‘Great Replacement’ Conspiracy Theorists and Covid Deniers
Fellow speakers have called for abortion to be banned and said the PM does not understand British culture due to his Hindu faith, reports Adam Bienkov and Karam Bales
ADAM BIENKOV AND BYLINE SUPPLEMENT
MAY 11Rishi Sunak has defended his Home Secretary Suella Braverman’s upcoming appearance at a radical right-wing conference, alongside speakers who have labeled parts of Britain a “foreign country”, called for abortion to be banned, suggested life should be made “harder” for Muslims, pushed far-right conspiracy theories and suggested that the Prime Minister himself is not “fully grounded in our culture” due to his Hindu faith.
Braverman is due to appear at the National Conservatism event in London next week, alongside the Levelling Up Secretary Michael Gove, former ministers Jacob Rees-Mogg and Lord Frost and the Conservative MP Miriam Cates.
Speakers at previous events have included the Hungarian Prime Minister, and autocrat, Viktor Orban, the book-banning Governor of Florida Ron DeSantis and the far-right Italian Prime Minister Giorgia Meloni.
Other speakers due to appear at the event in London next week include the right-wing commentator Douglas Murray, who has previously described the UK capital as a “foreign country” due to the large number of ethnic minority citizens living there and given credence to the far-right conspiracy theory that Britain and other majority-white Western countries are victims of a “Great Replacement” by migrant populations.
He was also accused of Islamophobia after suggesting that “conditions for Muslims in Europe must be made harder across the board”. At the time, Murray’s comments reportedly led to David Cameron’s government breaking off relations with him.
Other figures connected to the event have also pushed the ‘Great Replacement’ theory. One of the signatories of the organisation’s manifesto, David Azerrad, has previously suggested that Western migration policies are being deliberately used for the importation of “untold millions of peoples of different colors, creeds and cultures for decades on end”, adding that “this is what tyrants do to conquer a broken people, to pacify them.”
Also due to speak at the event is the disgraced historian David Starkey, who was widely condemned after previously saying that slavery was not genocide as “otherwise there wouldn't be so many damn blacks in Africa or in Britain.” Starkey was last week forced to deny further allegations of racism after accusing the Prime Minister himself of being “not fully grounded in our culture” due to his Hindu faith.
Other scheduled speakers include the Trump-supporting US Senator JD Vance who wants a nation-wide ban on abortion in the States. When previously asked whether any ban should include exceptions for rape and incest, he replied that "two wrongs don't make a right."
Vance has also been accused of pushing the racist ‘Great Replacement’ conspiracy theory, telling Fox News last year that he believed the country was suffering an immigrant “invasion” in which Democrats “have decided that they can’t win re-election… unless they bring a large number of new voters to replace the voters that are already here”. Vance has also previously pushed a hoax conspiracy theory about President Biden planning to put people into Covid “quarantine camps”.
Other so-called Covid ‘skeptics’ at the event include the commentator Toby Young, who was previously criticised by the press regulator IPSO after writing a “significantly misleading” anti-lockdown column which suggested people who had recovered from the common cold could have “natural immunity” to Covid-19.
Asked about the appearance of senior ministers and Conservative politicians at an event alongside speakers with such views, Rishi Sunak’s Press Secretary told Byline Times on Wednesday that “ministers and members of the party are free to speak at events where they see fit.”
A Conference for the Evangelical Hard Right
NatCon is designed to support the Conservative Nationalism (CN) movement which is based in the evangelical Christian Right. The group’s Statement of Principles includes demands for nations to be governed on the basis of “humility and gratitude before God and fear of his judgment”, while also backing immigration moratoriums and opposing what it describes as the “grave threat” of “ever more radical forms of sexual license and experimentation as an alternative to the responsibilities of family and congregational life”.The line up for NatCon London 2023 resembles a CPAC for culture wars. There is considerable crossover of speakers between NatCons and the Hungarian CPAC in 2022 which was described as a gathering of the international right in a previous Byline Times report.
Speakers at NatCon 2023 also include former Revolutionary Communist Party member and editor of Spiked Online Frank Furedi, and James Orr, who is also chair of NatCon UK, and UK chair of the Edmund Burke Foundation (EBF).
The EBF is NatCon’s parent organisation. Founded in January 2019 as a public affairs institute, its stated aim is “strengthening the principles of national conservatism in Western and other democratic countries” through research, educational and publishing ventures.
EBF member and NatCon chair Christopher Demuth is also scheduled to speak in London. Demuth is a fellow of the conservative think tank the Hudson Institute and former president of the American Enterprise Institute (AEI) from 1986-2008. The AEI is considered to be one of most influential right wing think tanks in the US. One of the AEI’s largest funders is the Donors Trust which has been described as “the Dark money ATM of the conservative movement” by MotherJones.
Conference organisers have declined a request by Byline Times to attend and cover the event.
We went to watch Frankie Boyle last night and he did a section about Suella Braverman which, if I tried to repeat in any form would get me an immediate lifetime ban. It was very, very funny though
Nice to see risky edgy comedy not getting cancelled or censored.
Why, which comedian has been cancelled or censored recently??
Not that hilarious wife-beater Jim Davidson again?!?
Although no one seems quite able to censor him. And if any of his shows are cancelled I suspect it is most likely due to lack of sales:
https://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrity-news/jim-davidson-goes-epic-rant-13065337
Jim Davidson goes on epic rant at venue after no one turns up to see his show
I bet Suella Braverman would have accepted a complimentary ticket to watch Davidson perform his repertoire of hysterical jokes and mimicking of brown people.
The letter cites three specific Bar Council code of conduct rules it claims have been breached, including behaving in a way which is likely to diminish trust and confidence, conduct which the public may reasonably perceive as undermining honesty, integrity or independence, and a breach of the instruction not to discriminate against any other person on the grounds of race, colour, ethnic or national origin or other grounds.
You would assume that organisations such as the Society of Asian Lawyers and the Association of Muslim Lawyers have done their homework and are fairly confident that they have a strong case against Suella Braverman.
I don't know what punitive action the Bar Standards Board can take against someone they find guilty of professional misconduct, but whatever it is it must surely be welcomed if it challenges Braverman's behaviour.
Why?
What makes you think she cares? Do you really think she expects to have to work for a living like some sort of pleb ever again?
Because I feel that the 9 organisations who have lodged a complaint with the Bar Standards Board urging them to investigate and take action are confident that this is a worthwhile exercise.
And also because it is widely accepted that Braverman harbours ambitions, realistic or otherwise, to become Conservative Party leader. Being found guilty of professional misconduct really won't help her to achieve that.
Like the current Labour leader Braverman is known to exploit her background as a barrister to further her political career :
https://www.rollonfriday.com/news-content/barrister-casts-doubt-suella-bravermans-cv-claim
She would undoubtedly consider any censure by a professional body to be a drawback, it is difficult to believe that she would dismiss it as unimportant.
We are all lazy and could forget how to work. That should appeal to the tory ****er voters but then won't they always be voting tory anyway. Does it appeal to the people who swung away from tories in local elections?
Clearly easy to rip apart the ignorance of what she is saying (again) but that doesn't matter, she has said it now so it is in the idiots minds.
Braverman harbours ambitions, realistic or otherwise, to become Conservative Party leader. Being found guilty of professional misconduct really won’t help her to achieve that.
Isn't it a requirement for the successful applicant nowadays?
Clearly easy to rip apart the ignorance of what she is saying (again) but that doesn’t matter, she has said it now so it is in the idiots minds.
The entire MO of the Tories post-Brexit. 🤷♂️
I see Cruella has said that post-Brexit visa rules won't be relaxed, despite labour shortages as
Thousands of Britons should be trained to drive trucks, work in the meat industry and gather crops rather than filling vacancies with foreign workers, Suella Braverman will tell Conservative activists on Monday.
Suella Braverman to rebuff cabinet calls for easing of visa rules
Theres no detail on where she intends to magic these people up from. Maybe they'll grow them in petri dishes. In a more likely explanation, some vile Tory outrider was on Five Live this morning saying that the culture of 'paying people to do nothing' isn't an option and the benefits system needs reform to make people take these available jobs
It seemed inevitable really that this was in the pipeline, didn't it?
Though they seemed to have given as much thought to the logistics as they have to that of the Rwanda scheme. If someone is unemployed in the North East of England, are they going to be forced to move to Lincolnshire to pick fruit. And if so, where are they going to live? Workhouses, I presume?
Edit: Having read the Guardian article, apparently this is an actual real thing 😳
If someone is unemployed in the North East of England, are they going to be forced to move to Lincolnshire to pick fruit. And if so, where are they going to live?
The market will decide.
Until the market shows any tendency to redistribute wealth and then legislation will be necessary.
Looking forward to outraged of Boston talking about all these non-locals with their alien culture of wearing flimsy dresses in the winter and football and stotties. Then demanding they be repatriated to Sunderland or wherever.
Then demanding they be repatriated to Sunderland
That's really cruel that mind.
It's an unsinkable rubber duck this "pay people to pick fruit" thing, isn't it? There's nothing tories love more than a annually harvestable line of bullshit rather than having to plant new ones, since ironically they are very much against working hard.
It now has a name… ‘National Conservatism’ and it does indeed have some thoroughly unpleasant far right bedfellows that we should all be concerned about.
Whenever a political party starts throwing words like "National" around in their headings, not to mention "cultural marxism" in their briefings you've got to wonder just how far to the right they are intending to go..
As for the "grassroots" Conservative Democratic Organisation? Well, their emblem? Look familiar some how?
It’s a front for a far right US think tank, no surprise to see the Tory ****er division throwing their full support behind it.
https://twitter.com/peterwalker99/status/1658017797778145280?s=61&t=27Xz8oI3pGlaNEQvowJBcg
Brexit is like a self inflicted 'Morgenthau Plan', (the original plan to deal with Germany after WW2 and the one favoured by Roosevelt). The idea was to prevent Germany from reindustrialising by turning it into a nation of turnip farmers.
It was as late as 1944 that the allies had a rethink, Churchill above all recognising Germany's economic importance to continental Europe, saying that such a plan would leave Britain "tethered to a cprpse" and would result in famine and inevitble further conflict on the continent.
Conservative Unionist Nationalist Tories is the correct name, I believe.
Genuine question - if the Tories Godwin themselves, is it still a Godwin to point it out? Or do we have to wait for mass book burning to be sure?
Go on Danny, call the Tories Nazis, you know you want to.
So Cruella has kicked off the next Tory leadership battle then? And Rishi has fully backed what she’s said, thus confirming, if their was any doubt, that he’s a fully paid up member of the ERG/Brexit/NatCon headbangers club! Unless it’s really severe Stockholm syndrome
One Tory MP, far from impressed with todays latest leadership bid, noted that it’s a bit rich dedicating an entire speech to slagging off the present immigration system when its your own party that has been in power for the last 13 years and you’re presently the actual Home Secretary
Tory MPs accuse Suella Braverman of making bid for party leadership
‘paying people to do nothing’ isn’t an option and the benefits system needs reform to make people take these available jobs
My son turns 18 next year- given his cerebral palsy, I always feared for his job prospects.
Now he can be in charge of one of the new longer artics to keep them happy! Though given the repairs his wheelchairs needed I don’t want to be on the road when he’s driving!
Ballet Dancer -> Cyber -> Lorry Driver -> Seasonal Agricultural Worker
Busy Fatima.
What’s next on her training and career path?
It's not looking good for the nasty people...
If your'e cheering to your own crowd... etc.
If you fed the mail online into a blender Braverman would pop out. Weird Science.
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