That verdict is one of the biggest jokes I have ever seen in football. Even Evra said in his statement that he doesn't think Suarez is rascist. Plus, he admitted in his statement to abusing Suarez, in Spanish, using strong Spanish insults. Where is his ban?

no one else apart from Evra heard the alleged comments

There is no evidence whatsoever that Suarez used rascist language. Only Evra's word against his.

I fully expect LFC to take this higher if the ban isn't overturned.

HAHAHA all the information coming out is from the Liverpool camp yet again....independent inquiry using countless camera angles etc....hilarious watching all the liverpool fans implode!

The verdict will certainly add to the conspiracy Kenny Dalglish feels the club are up against 😆

So which do you find funnier: rascism or injustice?

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independent inquiry using countless camera angles etc....

Which showed / proved?

If it was a legal proceeding, it wouldn't even make the court room

If I got done for that at work I'd be sacked. He's an employee of a company same as everyone else so no other option as far as I'm concerned....Pending an appeal though which I imagine LFC will do

Well I don't believe that there is a refereeing conspiracy against the club, as Dalglish claims. I suspect he's trying to creat a little of the seige mentality regularly employed by Fergie. As I said in my first post the length of the ban seems harsh for the insult which no one else heard - however, as far as I'm aware Suarez did admit to using the term 'negrito' toward Evra but claimed, in his country, it's not an insult.

And Evra admitted to abusing Suarez: where is his ban?

A wise and just decision.

I am sure Suarez, being a fair-minded individual, will accept the ban with good grace and treat it as a learning experience.

Punish the man, not the club.
Hefty fines, in the millions would do the trick, or community service or something 🙂

"The independent regulatory commission announced its decision on 20 December 2011, which is as follows:

"Mr Suárez used insulting words towards Mr Evra during the match contrary to FA Rule E3(1);

"the insulting words used by Mr Suárez included a reference to Mr Evra's colour within the meaning of Rule E3(2);

"Mr Suárez shall be warned as to his future conduct, be suspended for eight matches covering all first-team competitive matches and fined the sum of £40,000;

he admitted using it his defence was calling him negro was not racist.
That the problem with words often hard to judge the intent - It would seem reasonable he did it to wind him up I guess we can debate whether he meant it as racist but I doubt it was friendly in nature

It seems incredible to us that a player of mixed heritage should be accused and found guilty in the way he has based on the evidence presented. We do not recognise the way in which Luis Suárez has been characterised.

"It appears to us that the FA were determined to bring charges against Luis Suárez, even before interviewing him at the beginning of November. Nothing we have heard in the course of the hearing has changed our view that Luis Suárez is innocent of the charges brought against him and we will provide Luis with whatever support he now needs to clear his name.

"We would also like to know when the FA intend to charge Patrice Evra with making abusive remarks to an opponent after he admitted himself in his evidence to insulting Luis Suárez in Spanish in the most objectionable of terms. Luis, to his credit, actually told the FA he had not heard the insult."

kenny has taken it well though

John Terry will probably get off with a 1 game suspension in a friendly in the summer and a fiver fine!

Absolutely ridiculous if its one word against the other without any other proof. Awaits the full FA report.

he admitted it so there is no debate about whether he said it. It i snot one persons v another.
It is a fact it occurred the debate is whether it is racist
EDIT: Re- reading it maybee he did not admit it so we will need to wait for the full report I think they used video evidence as well

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That statement from LFC is stunning tbf. Reads like something drafted in 2 minutes for posting on a message board. Crying about charging Evra whilst failing to comprehend the gravity of finding a player guilty of racially abusing a fellow pro.

might invite binners and Don Simon to join me at the Kop fanzine website 😛

There seems to be some confusion amongst people as to what he is being punished for and the people with the least comprehension of it seem to be Liverpool football club.

His defenders are all saying that he is not a racist but that is irrelevant as he has not been charged with being a racist. He has been charged with using language which in the country he used it in and in the context he used it is considered to be racist. The defence that this would be fine in another country is no defence at all and neither is ignorance of the law.
I think the club have acted very unwisely in this as they know that he said something which is not acceptable in this country and yet they have defended him. They should have stood by him but told him to plead guilty and to make a public apology and he could have gone on to explain how what he said would not have been seen in the same way in his own country.

Part of the problem seems to stem from using language acceptable elsewhere but not acceptable in the UK. Doubt if Suarez was using it as a term of endearment anyway........

here seems to be some confusion amongst people as to what he is being punished for and the people with the least comprehension of it seem to be Liverpool football club.

His defenders are all saying that he is not a racist but that is irrelevant as he has not been charged with being a racist. He has been charged with using language which in the country he used it in and in the context he used it is considered to be racist. The defence that this would be fine in another country is no defence at all and neither is ignorance of the law.
I think the club have acted very unwisely in this as they know that he said something which is not acceptable in this country and yet they have defended him. They should have stood by him but told him to plead guilty and to make a public apology and he could have gone on to explain how what he said would not have been seen in the same way in his own country.

To be honest, if he'd just called Evra one of the biggest SeeYouNextTuesdays to ever lace up a pair of boots, he'd have been more accurate. As it is, an unqualified apology would have defused the situation. Bad advice. Those revelling in the punishment appear to be more delighted about the club he played for and the club who Evra, massive cock that he is plays for. Dangerous road to be going down.

Not revelling but a ban seems justified. Whether Evra is a cock depends on who you support. Appears you don't particularly like Manchester United so your opinion ain't exactly unbiased either.

The terry case has gone a bit quiet hasnt it! If he is out it will really wreck the reds hope of 4 th or 5th place ...funny if you do a 2 footer on someone and break someones leg it gets 2 match ban or some other bollox which also sets the scene on the amateur scene for a couple of months with players emulating the challenge but something is said warrants a ban of that long ......fa out of touch

Oh come on, even Utd fans think he's a massive cock. And they're right.

I've given a completely honest opinion. Suarez should have apologised. Unequivocally. It's been badly handled. I'm not calling Evra a cock because he plays for ManU. I'm calling him one because he is. A massive one.

his hatred could only be made worse if Clarkson was the manager 😛

dd - again, in your opinion. Many footballers are annoying cretins in my opinion. Doesn't make me right though.

See what happened there JY?

Merely insulting a Utd player (even though Evra, massive cock that he is, is an easy target) quickly turns it into a ManU vs Liverpool thing. You even let yourself get drawn into it.

Our concern about a player getting a ban for using racist language should transcend the club he plays for and the club that the target of his language plays for. That is my point.

Oh dear.

He deserves a ban, and I'm a Liverpool fayn. As to the length of the ban, well, that's for the FA to decide, and they have. There is a possibility he'll have it reduced on appeal, but fact is he said something that's unacceptable in this country and culture, so he has to learn and accept his punishment. He's lucky it's not for a lot longer.

If, as reports suggest, he's admitted to using the term 'negrito', then fair play for being honest, I spose. From hanging around with a number of Spanish and Colombian people, I understand it's not an 'offensive' term in those cultures, as it would be in ours, but this is England, not Spain or south America. And all who live here must respect our culture and our Laws.

I'm saddened by this. I like Suarez, and there's no doubt he's one of the best players in England, if not the World. A darn sight better than Torres, that's just a simple fact.

But he's said something that's completely unacceptable in the country in which he lives and works. I wonder how this will go down with his Black team-mates like Glen Johnson, Raheem Sterling and Andre Wisdom?

What's important now, is how the situation is dealt with, and how he can now make amends. He needs to work very hard indeed to redeem himself.

Liverpool FC do not have any noticeable history of racism; indeed, they were signing black players when their quite little neighbours were actively not. This is the first I've ever heard of any such thing at thie club, and I hope it'll be the least.

As for the incident; Suarez was pwning Evra left right and centre. There was clearly 'banter' going on between the two. Evra was clearly giving as good as he got. Of course he does not in any way deserve to be racially abused, and if you take the cultural aspect into context, it's more likely Suarez was just being patronising and winding Evra up, than being deliberately 'racist'. And if Evra does not in any way consider Suarez racist, why make the complaint? Seems that Patrice is rather quick to accuse people of being racist; perhaps he was still smarting after getting nowhere with his allegations against England's Brave John Terry. And Evra will know himself, that racism is far more prevalent within the game in his own country of France...

It's a nasty situation this. Of course, the Scum will be delighted, but let's not forget that these are the same fayns and club who supported the thug Roy Keane, who deliberately injured other players, and who called Mick McCarthy an 'English SeeYouNextTuesday'; what a lovely individual he was. 🙄

Suarez needs to accept he made a massive mistake, and do his best to make amends.

Interesting to note that Evra's team-mate, Javier Hernandez, has himself used the exact same term to refer to a black team mate:

[url= http://www.chivascampeon.com/noticia/2009/ ]"Chicharito" Hernández, destaca el gol anotado ayer por otro joven como Omar Esparza, en la victoria ante Tigres: " Me gustó mucho el gol del [b]Negrito[/b] (Omar Esparza), creo que es una muestra de que los jóvenes de Chivas, estamos listos para responder en juegos importantes como los de Liguilla. Por mi parte seguiré trabajando con humildad para ganarme una oportunidad.[/url]

I wonder what Patrice has to say about that?

I think the ban is too long, a couple of games maybe, but 8!!!??!! Setting an example rather than in proportion to the crime.
In his defence, as pointed out above, negrito would be the accepted Spanish and affectionate name to talk about a black player. Negro being Spanish for black.

Aaah, he was being affectionate........

I give up.

Nighty night.

Come on keep up.

Now who's being a (condescending) cock?

I wonder what Patrice has to say about that?

probably that words mean different things depending on who says it and culture as you yourself note - he would probably agree with you Elf.
It seems unlikely that Suarez was saying it as an affectionate nickname for someone he held in high regard? so we are left to conclude he use dit as what then ? an insult or to get a rise I suspect the later but it was out of order. i dont think Suarez is a racist but I do think he was using race to get a reaction and he should not have done so.

He could have apologized said he got it wrong wont repeat it etc and he has learnt..very misguided by LFC who are clearly not racist.

Evra is a bit annoying DD but so are many football players tbh.

Aaah, he was being affectionate........

Aaah, he was being affectionate........

Yes. How's your Spanish? As you know a common Spanish name is Juan, now young or little Juan would be known as Juanito, as already stated and if you look at the rest of Chicharito's complementary quote you'd understand.

I was being sarcastic - don't think Evra or Suarexz were being affectionate to each other during that match.

My Portuguese is better than my Spanish, but yes I know '-ito' is a term of endearment added to any name.

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My apologies old[b]grump[/b]08, can't think what led me to believe you were being a grump.
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body language, it must have been the body language, I'm crap with that sort of thing...

Evra is a bit annoying DD but so are many football players tbh.

He's a massive cock. And you know it sweetie. 🙂 How's it been being a WUM on the Liverpool fan boards? I tell you, I've never seen ManU fans be as gripey and whingey as they have this season. Time for Alex to do an everybody-hates-us thing again.

'Ere grumpy, relax will ya. Or go to bed like you promised.

accepted DS 😐

Happy Christmas to one and all!

Happy Christmas oldgrump. 🙂

Still a condescending barsteward 😉

See, the worst thing is that this will now drive a wedge even deeper between the two clubs. Granted, they've never been best mates, but there's been a grudging respect to the other, until more recently, sadly. Liverpool fayns doing the 'aeroplane' (Munich Disaster), and Man U fayns making callous and despicable references to those who died at Hillsborough. A nastiness has crept in to the previously reasonably amicable rivalry, not helped by Bacon Face who loves to stir things up, let's face it.

It does not in any way do Football any good. 🙁

Liverpool fayns doing the callous and despicable 'aeroplane' (Munich Disaster), and Man U fayns making equally callous and despicable references to those who died at Hillsborough.

oldgrump, I might be a but if a barsteward matey. But condescending? Mais non.

hmmmm, black * and (man of Nig) * are pretty different IMO but I don't know which he was closer to as I'm not a Spanish speaker

(Speaking as a bloke who played his best footy in the 1980s I've called people lanky / short / ugly / cheating / thick / sheepshagging* / ... - you just say what you see, followed by "****". I definitely called one bloke "yellow" once - wasn't chinese or owt, just had a yellow shirt on and I remember it because it was my shittest ever insult)

When I was "properly" playing I honestly can't remember playing a against ANY black lads but if I had, and I'd been pissed off with him, I'd definitely have called him a black ****

I know it's all in the perception rahter than my (honest guv not racist) intention and I'm also probably a knuckle-dragging colonial throwback tosser, but there you go

(* no direct evidence, but he was from Stokesley)

(* no direct evidence, but he was from Stokesley)

there's only one single "star", amidst a whole load of ****s

TBH, I know how it feels 😉

No f*****g s**t!

Liverpool fayns doing the 'aeroplane' (Munich Disaster), and Man U fayns making callous and despicable references to those who died at Hillsborough. A nastiness has crept in to the previously reasonably amicable rivalry, not helped by Bacon Face who loves to stir things up, let's face it.

Oh teh ironing of that coming from JY. Who cared more about the clubs than the crime.

Shut up Junky. I've said Suarez deserves a ban, I've pointed out the disgusting actions of some Liverpool fayns, but you still have to have a pop?

Bacon Face is called Bacon Face cos he has a face that looks like bacon. Simples. It's a fair nickname.

this him, fred ?
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No, this bloke:

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that's him off radiohead innit ?

No it's not, no.

A ban if he said such.bad shit but has to be consistent with all the other offenders, i dont think it is a lot to ask .....as a footy fan any team in the country would love taggart as the manager. ,fact

another excellent attempt to bring harmony where this is discord 🙄
You called only man u fans of being despicable and callous and used bacon face and accused him of stirring things up- you did not use anything like this language for Liverpool fans or their actions. You are part of the problem here not the solution. I dont mind if you want tribal rivalry over football but it is silly it use language like that whilst espousing peace and tolerance between the teams

I am not doing this again you are exactly what you criticise on almost every footy thread.

Who cared more about the clubs than the crime

You called only man u fans of being despicable and callous and used bacon face and accused him of stirring things up- you did not use anything like this language for Liverpool fans or their actions. You are part of the problem here not the solution.

Now you're just talking crap. What, you think I think anyone doing the 'aeroplane' is anything but despicable and disgusting?

I've pointed out the [b]disgusting[/b] actions of some Liverpool fayns

You might want to try reading propply before trying to stir up crap. Pathetic.

You are part of the problem here not the solution

Oh, and you're doing such a wonderful job of engendering harmony and peaceful relations, yeah, right, of course.... 🙄

Hypocrite.

Good night all!

now if you call them despicable it will be even - yes i am labouring a point now for sure. if you cannot see that you have the anger/banter/disrespect that you dislike then nothing i will say will help

It's a nasty situation this. Of course, the Scum will be delighted, but let's not forget that these are the same fayns and club who supported the thug Roy Keane, who deliberately injured other players, and who called Mick McCarthy an 'English SeeYouNextTuesday'; what a lovely individual he was

Keane should have done time for that tackle and subsequent admission FWIW.

what bike for 'big hitters' to travel to a football match on?

suarez out, rooney in on the fantasy footy...

Getting back to the original point of this thread, I'm afraid the only acceptable punishment would be a lifetime ban, racism is not acceptable in anyway and even if the words used in Spanish do not carry the same meaning as they do in English I'm afraid that is no excuse, it is your own responsibility to live and abide by the laws of the country in which you reside

it is your own responsibility to live and abide by the laws of the country in which you reside

Would not understanding the cultural differences of players coming from different countries be bordering on racism in itself?

I think the ban is fair for the offence and should help educate the player about what is acceptable in the culture he now plays in, losing a key player for 8 games should also focus clubs into helping players understand their responsibilities.
I am not so sure it is fair in terms of punishments normally handed out for such behaviour, I don't know how often the FA hand out such punishments, this case has been fairly high profile. Is it a standard punishment? is it a new line in the sand? The evidence against JT seems stronger, and the actual offence seems much more offensive, if he doesn't get at least the same ban then the FA will have a lot of explaining to do.

Liverpool should receive some sort of contemptible punishment like points-docking for the comments on their website.

Personally, i don't see a lot wrong with the comments of Suarez, i don't differentiate between for example Bellamy calling Barton "you ****ing ****".... which was caught on camera recently, or Suarez calling Evra "you ****ing black ****".... it's all just insults in a football game designed to psychologically throw your opponent off his game. Similar to the great Zidane incident where his sister was called a whore by an opposing player, which then saw Zidane being sent off for a ridiculous head-butt. It's all part of the game and the sport.

However, i doubt the FA would accept my defence above as particularly valid

It's all part of the game and the sport.

[i]You can't expect that level of insight, though, from a [s]club[/s] city with a chip on its shoulder the size of a small planet.[/i]

FTFY

Ageee to an extent yes... but that's like saying in Rugby they should batter the crap out of eachother in the scrum, or in cricket you shouldn't try the odd 'bodyline' bowl ...... of course in the ideal world, none of this is the case... but we live in a world where competition is rife, sport is a matter of life and death (Ask Andres Escobar about that one) and it really DOES matter if you win or lose... None of this "it's the taking part that really counts"..

We as English and as society as a whole stopped with the 'gentlemanly conduct' about 40 years ago.... it's moved on... the world changes... people are not as nice as they were back in the 1940's when we all wore bowler hats 🙂

You can't expect that level of insight, though, from a club city with a chip on its shoulder the size of a small planet.

FTFY

Here we go... another wonderfully insightful post... .what a level of irony... you claim that Scousers don't have any insight.. but bring absolutely nothing to the discussion apart from a veiled insult...

Apart from the fundamental flaw in your argument, a nice troll

Not a troll and no fundamental flaw, it is not English law to speak English, it is not Welsh law to speak Welsh, it is however English law to not use racist language, sorry your argument was flawed by a lack of knowledge of the laws of the country the offence took place in so I stand by what I said

it is however English law to not use racist language

IMO his excuse is not credible.

He has been hear for years and must be aware the language he used is unnaccceptable. I simply do not believe his excuse.

He has been hear for years and must be aware the language he used is unnaccceptable. I simply do not believe his excuse.

He has been hear for years and must be aware the language he used is unnaccceptable. I simply do not believe his excuse.

Who's been here for years ? lol maddness.

I thought that when deciding if word which could be considered offensive actually is, is in the context and intent.
i.e; Calling someone you know a "negrito" if socialising [i]could[/i] be a term of affection. Calling someone a "negrito" when abusing each other during sport is racist (IMHO). It's fair to assume he didn't intend it to be taken as a term of endearment.

When calling someone which translates as this;

The term "Negrito" is the Spanish diminutive of negro, i.e. "little black person", referring to their small stature, and was coined by early European explorers.[3]

Occasionally, some Negritos are referred to as pygmies, bundling them with peoples of similar physical stature in Central Africa, and likewise, the term Negrito was previously occasionally used to refer to African Pygmies.[4]

What happens when people travel to Wales, I presume they have to respect Welsh law and speak Welsh, no?

With respect DS, you could have chosen a better comparison. More welsh people speak english than welsh, and of course you have to obey the law of the land. It's the law!

Personally, i don't see a lot wrong with the comments of Suarez, i don't differentiate between for example Bellamy calling Barton "you * *".... which was caught on camera recently, or Suarez calling Evra "you * black *".... it's all just insults in a football game designed to psychologically throw your opponent off his game. Similar to the great Zidane incident where his sister was called a whore by an opposing player, which then saw Zidane being sent off for a ridiculous head-butt. It's all part of the game and the sport.

People of Manchester, Liverpool and beyond....
Can we gather together as one body and agree on one thing? That TJ doesn't know what he's talking about and is, quite possibly, a fool.