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well at least its written better than this show!

next trick in the book will be a looping time travel episode. oh no wait.....

Did you watch Police Academy last night?

Hah! No, I'm not quite sure where that came from.

Cougar - Moderator
I'm really starting to enjoy it quite a lot. Last night's was properly dark. It feels more like BSG than Star Trek.

That's always been my problem with this and the reboot films. It's all lost the essence of what Star Trek was and Roddenbery's vision.

I love the reboot BSG and darker style mature stories and arcs. STD could be Game of Thrones in space and I'd love that. Just not with the Trek name and characters.

How do you feel about the last two seasons of DS9?

it will probably:
a) get picked up for season 2 and then wobble along with ever poorer ratings
b) revamp some new sexier crew members and go more extreme to try and "crank up the drama"
c) cross/gather characters and plots for the other Star Trek series to pull in ratings
d) end S2 on some form of massive cliffhanger that "....will change the star trek universe for everrrrrrrrrrr...." (s2 ending promo trailer)
e) never get renewed after that

It's all lost the essence of what Star Trek was and Roddenbery's vision.

That happened after series 1 of original Trek, didn't it?

From what I read, much of Roddenberry's vision for the original series was endless parades of young women wearing not a great deal.

It's all lost the essence of what Star Trek was and Roddenbery's vision.

Three female starship captains so far in Discovery. Not sure that would chime with Roddenbery's 'vision'. 🙂

Are you forgetting Voyager?

Not at all, but to condemn this one (and the reboots) for losing this Roddenbery 'spirit of Trek' is like saying that the reboot of BSG lost the beautiful spirit of the original.

Cougar - Moderator
How do you feel about the last two seasons of DS9?

A fair point. Not so great.

martinhutch - Member
is like saying that the reboot of BSG lost the beautiful spirit of the original.

At least it was a plain reboot, not trying to fit into existing timelines while ripping everything up and not fitting in at all. Far better to just utterly ignore what was and start afresh, or set it way off in the future so everything can be funky new modern and different because everything's changed in the future.

Or just ditch the Trek name anyway and make the sci-fi that it really wants to be without the baggage of the name just to try to pull in audiences.

The films for example were really just a vehicle for JJ to do Star Wars. He didn't even like Star Trek, so made a reboot Trek that was Star Wars in style, and sure enough gets the job on Star Wars.

Or, George Lucas making Star Wars when really he wanted to make Flash Gordon but couldn't get the rights to it 😉

A fair point. Not so great.

Interesting. I thought they were probably ST's finest moment.

Or just ditch the Trek name anyway and make the sci-fi that it really wants to be without the baggage of the name just to try to pull in audiences.

It could quite easily have been reframed as something non-Trek. But as you say, there's an immediate audience draw if the name is involved.

Cougar - Moderator
Interesting. I thought they were probably ST's finest moment.

The ongoing story was good in general, although I think the show was never really designed for that kind of thing and the attempts to mix in some fun and distractions got tedious (Vic Fontaine, again!) or downright stupid (Quark stories especially the sex change one) or boring (bloody baseball episode). The ending was a bit meh.

A shame as I love DS9. No real dislike for them, just I though the show was stronger in earlier seasons. Also 6 was better than 7.

DS9 is the one Trek series I sort of missed. I missed a few episodes so the longer story arcs didn't work and I gave up on it.

Might revisit it on Netflix.

Interesting. I thought they were probably ST's finest moment.

Me too. The Dominion war was the best thing to happen to Trek since the Borg. It also was when Trek went down a darker more serious path and binned all the federation utopian moralising (I'm not a huge fan of the federation as you might have guessed). Voyager continued in this vein and it culminated in the epic 3rd series of Enterprise and the war with the Xindi (although the rest of it was shite). Seems to me Discovery is a natural extension of these plotlines in previous series.

I think it's getting good.

Might revisit it on Netflix

I've been watching it, it's terrible. A trekkie from work was also lambasting the new series so I decided to watch DS9 which I hadn't really watched before. I was halfway through S2 and gave up.

I couldn't give two hoots about canon or timeline blah blah blah. ST D has been entertaining, I look forward to each episode and whilst not perfect has eclipsed everything else ST that I've watched.

I decided to watch DS9 which I hadn't really watched before. I was halfway through S2 and gave up.

Yeah, the first season is tripe, and the second season isn't much better. It does improve though.

it culminated in the epic 3rd series of Enterprise and the war with the Xindi (although the rest of it was shite)

I stopped watching Enterprise a couple of episodes into the second series (IIRC). I didn't know about this - Is it worth persevering with then?

Anyone think that the mycelium drive sounded like the infinite improbability drive?

For the hard of thinking and googling (me) please tell me what channel it’s on, ya.

I have been in and out of ST for many years, watched intermittently all the series apart from Enterprise which passed me by for some reason. More of a Star Wars addict when younger. A few months ago I revisited Next Generation. God, that has not aged well. At least Discovery feels modern, and I wait for each new episode. Detractors can watch the older series if they need a Star Trek fix.

Im quite liking ST D something a little differnt if not samey

As for ST DS9 that was simply brilliant at times , Might have to go and relive "In the Pale Moonlight" < this was defining

I like the darker theme going on.

For the hard of thinking and googling (me) please tell me what channel it’s on, ya.

Netflix.

Ta.

so I decided to watch DS9 which I hadn't really watched before. I was halfway through S2 and gave up.

Aargh! you watched all the sh*t ones then gave up just before it got good! Start from the last episode of series 2 when they discover the Jem Hadar and the existence of the Dominion, skip any episodes that are about Jake Sisko (even more annoying than Wesley bloody Crusher!) and Major Kira (especially the tiresome ones about her and Odo later on) and you'll be fine 🙂

I didn't know about this - Is it worth persevering with then?

Yes, definitely. The entire series is one story line which is the war with the Xindi following an attack on earth by an unknown super-weapon. It starts with the last episode of Series 2. There are a couple of duff episodes but otherwise it's brilliant and they throw out all the starfleet regulations and go all wild-west.

All this talk of ST is making me want to repeat my TNG -> Enterprise start to finish view-a-thon. Took me 6 months last time. Not sure I could take many of the TNG episodes now*. Apart from the ones where Picard gets tortured* 😀

*As thomas says, it really hasn't aged well. Even the episode where they discover the Borg is a bit annoying. I think it's the cheesy background music

**And the one where they discover Scotty on a Dyson sphere which has to be the greatest TNG episode ever.

All this talk of ST is making me want to repeat my TNG -> Enterprise start to finish view-a-thon. Took me 6 months last time.

Really enjoyed the latest episode of Discovery.

you watched all the sh*t ones then gave up just before it got good!

This.

Even the episode where they discover the Borg is a bit annoying.

Isn't that the first episode?

I kind of agree Discovery doesn't really have much to do with Star Trek (or at least could have been entirely separate but was just loosely tied in for the extra viewers). Why did they change the Klingon look so much as well? It's not bad it's just strange (the Andorians and Vulcans look pretty much the same as in other ST series).

Isn't that the first episode?

No the first one was that hideous farpoint thing with alien that was being oppressed into being a space station, and Q putting humanity on trial which brought out the worst of picard’s federation moralising.

No the first one was that hideous farpoint thing with alien that was being oppressed into being a space station, and Q putting humanity on trial which brought out the worst of picard’s federation moralising.

I'm muddling the two then. They meet the Borg when Picard tells Q they're ready for anything, and Q goes "you reckon?" I thought that was Encounter At Farpoint, but now you mention it I remember the trial stuff.

It's a while since I watched it (though I do have it on Laserdisc...)

TNG takes a bit to settle in, though there are some early classics in the first few seasons. S4 onwards it gets good.

TOS on the other hand goes downhill after the first season (and certainly the third).

DS9, from when the Jem'Hadar are introduced gets good. A bit meh about the last two, certainly the last. Should have just gone all out with the one story the whole series and a much bigger ending, though I get the feeling they were hoping for a movie spin off.

VOY is consistently meh all along and some stinkers. Though it's averagely watchable. The Fair Haven stuff... good god, no! Worse than Vic Fontaine in repeated annoyance and pointlessness. Has a candidate for all time worst ever Trek episode as well, at least to me, 11:59. Zero to do with Star Trek and is at best a boring daytime telly snoozefest.

ENT - Only pre-JJ series I've not been interested in buying on DVD/Blu Ray and not re-watched. It got some good ones later on and had potential, but I just wish it had never tried to fit in as a prequel. It restricted it and didn't fit anyway. Maybe it will grow on me with a re-watch.

[quote=deadkenny ]VOY is consistently meh all along and some stinkers. Though it's averagely watchable. The Fair Haven stuff... good god, no! Worse than Vic Fontaine in repeated annoyance and pointlessness. Has a candidate for all time worst ever Trek episode as well, at least to me, 11:59. Zero to do with Star Trek and is at best a boring daytime telly snoozefest.

One word: Threshold. 😀

VOY is consistently meh all along and some stinkers. Though it's averagely watchable.

Objection. The Species 8472 plotline was great.

Though it's completely offset by Naomi Wildman and the rest of the rescued families they took on board. That was bilge.

Aside, have you seen Naomi Wildman these days? She's a bit, erm, well...

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retro83 - Member
One word: Threshold.

A fair point. It's ridiculous, though not unbearably watchable.

Cougar - Moderator
Objection. The Species 8472 plotline was great.

Briefly, then they turned them into shape shifters that can look human and all made friends. Star Trek always had a problem with truly nasty aliens, especially non humanoid. Though can understand they were a problem being worse than the Borg which diminished the Borg.

And yeah, Naomi now! 😯

Good point, well made. Was fun while it lasted though.

Dunno if anyone's pointed this out yet but I've just been informed the Ash character is actually Clem Fandango!

https://www.metro.news/clem-fandango-hits-warp-speed/819729/

Toast would make a hell of a Star Trek captain, eh?

Star Trek always had a problem with truly nasty aliens, especially non humanoid

I always thought the crystalline entity was an opportunity missed. Had it attacked earth they could have got at least half a series out of it.

Wasn't expecting that..!

(Just watched today's episode; 12, I think?)

Ep12, yes.

And, holy shit!

Yep, I've enjoyed the whole series without over analysing and sucking the fun out of it but ep12 was superb.

I said it earlier, but this is shaping up to be this decade's BSG.

Also, wasn't it so so pretty in places? The outer shots of the

And I dropped my Kobayashi Porcelain mug.

That was a cracking episode.

And I dropped my Kobayashi Porcelain mug.

You'll Maru the day you did that.

IGMC.

I'll just leave this here.

http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/USS_Defiant_(NCC-1764)

You'll Maru the day you did that.

Well played.