Been watching one or two episodes an evening just finished the groundhog day one. Really enjoying it so far. Finding it no less enjoyable than NextGen/DS9/Voyager. It's definitely Star Trek, put of the fun is criticising it. Some of the new Klingons remind me of the graphics in the original Half Life game, and some at first glance I almost mistook for Ferengi.
Started watching Orville too, the opening scene in ep2 was brilliant, but I've put it on hold to watch this.
That's us on the break, I liked yesterdays episode, and tbh I think that's us really just starting now, without wanting to spoil it, we've got to the point of these episodes now, and we'll looking like we're in for a voyageresque type thing now? I never did think the early premise would last forever.
Overall been hit an miss, but I think it's starting to settle. I do still like it.
I hope the next episode isn't just a return to normal space.
Voq/Tyler. Yes or no?
Just done nine episodes in two nights, best Star Trek since the original.
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I hope the next episode isn't just a return to normal space.Voq/Tyler. Yes or no?
dunno, something going on anyhow but if voq why subservient to the other yin?
captain, good guy or alternate universe bad guy "going home"? well mibbe no bad guy, but different point of view/mission.
It's ok, not the most gripping series I've watched. If they dropped it, I wouldn't be bothered.
We've liked it so far. Something the family can watch together. Though the flashback "interigation" bits confused the 9 yr old.
Tryig to find a family series on netfix or a series thats not dark and moody is getting more difficult. Netflix turning emo/ goth?
Its a 15 rated its said the f word and sworn and latest episode had a flashback of alien sex rape - your version of family entertainment is definitely different from mine.
I now pre watch them and skip the bits that are not suitable - FWIW i am fairly certain it started out as a 12 till the last episode even with the swearing but Dr Who or like the other instalments/definitely family suitable it is not
Still enjoying it though
I'm still lukewarm about Discovery. Despite the billing and Sonequa Martin-Green and Anthony Rapp both being absolutely outstanding, the script writing leaves much to be desired, particularly where the Klingons are concerned.
TBH I expected a lot more, especially with people like Nicholas Meyer onboard.
Despite the billing and Sonequa Martin-Green and Anthony Rapp both being absolutely outstanding
Are we watching the same series, she is mediocre at best and has the most weird running style I've ever seen....
It was undecided after the first couple of episodes but its gradually grown on me. A few things still grate like Saru - hes just annoying and I'm still not convinced by the Klingon make over, especially the way they murrrrderrrrrrrr evvvverrrry sylabbbbbbllllle.
But overall I've enjoyed it
Its a 15 rated its said the f word and sworn and latest episode had a flashback of alien sex rape - your version of family entertainment is definitely different from mine.
Yes the latest episode was too much with the flash backs and pre viewing might havd to be done. As for the language. You hear worse at school pick up, in a family pub or out shopping. Other than that he has enjoyed, if not understood all of it.
Strangley he was more scared of doctor who than star trek.
Well that ended abruptly. Only 9 episodes? Or has the series been split into two parts? The next episode is being shown on the 9th January
Yep. That's the mid-season break. Quite common with US TV series.
a flashback of alien sex rape
If my hunch is right then that's not what those flashbacks showed.
Well that ended abruptly. Only 9 episodes? Or has the series been split into two parts? The next episode is being shown on the 9th January
American scheduling, two 9 episode half seasons with a big 'ol gap in the middle.
Ah well, at least it ended on an exciting note! Very Voyager-y 🙂
Sonequa Michael Burnham is in general rubbish as an actor. And agree about the running (the director/dir. Of photography should also shot for allowing it through).
And in the last episode (SPOILER) WHEN THE guy runs really fast....speeding up the frame rates is just not acceptable.
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And in the last episode (SPOILER) WHEN THE guy runs really fast....speeding up the frame rates is just not acceptable.
The problem with having Saru running is that the actor has to wear weird shoes that would prevent him from really doing so. He also has a really strange walking gait as a result.
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Well, it was doing quite well, got me interested even though I don't really like Trek, then tonight's episode - wtf? Somehow managed to jump the shark during Christmas.
Made sense to me.
Hell yes!
Loved the "chief engineers" accent too 😉
It made sense, but it was drivel 🙁
Watched last night and found myself surfing on the phone. Got properly bored.
Watched around five or six of them but found it very frustrating.
I must have been spoiled by high-quality hour-long TV dramas which take their time unfolding a complex story with rich characterisation.
These feel really rushed, fast-forwarding over huge plot points and using only broad brush strokes on most of the characters.
Very telling that I found the science stuff annoying as well, because I don't normally care if the sci bit of sci-fi is nonsense.
I have a love hate thing with the alternate universe done well it's great done badly and everyone else is the exact opposite of who they are.
These feel really rushed, fast-forwarding over huge plot points and using only broad brush strokes on most of the characters.
In some ways it's the rush that is bringing a group of people together in a time of stress and war. Not everyone knows who the others are and what they are about. We are not meant to know.
Rolling with it anyway, it needed to get to this place, previously they would have done it in one episode
I'm really starting to enjoy it quite a lot. Last night's was properly dark. It feels more like BSG than Star Trek.
Yeah got to agree, it's a pretty good stab at the alternate universe thing, care about the characters it's one of the better star trek spin offs
I think it's pretty good as a TV series, what drives me nuts though is the grain effect they've added. In UHD it's incredibly distracting (to me at least), I don't mind the Netflix grain effect crap too much on things like the Marvel series but in a spaceship you're expecting clean clinical lines and what you actually see is blurry/graininess does my head in.
I am more and more involved. Going to keep watching.
Yeah got to agree, it's a pretty good stab at the alternate universe thing
I am more and more involved
I'm amazed people can say these things.
It's ludicrous, contrived and laughably scripted. Jumped the shark not when they ended up in a different universe, but when that universe turned out to be populated by humans acting like Klingons. How deep 🙄
I must have been spoiled by high-quality hour-long TV dramas which take their time unfolding a complex story with rich characterisation.These feel really rushed, fast-forwarding over huge plot points and using only broad brush strokes on most of the characters.
Exactly this.
The interstellar mycelium thing - that's not a bad idea if stretched somewhat, and how it was explored piece by piece was pretty good before Christmas. But they spent all that time getting to this particular point now it's like they're glad that serious stuff is over and they can go back to banal poor quality standard Star Trek Voyager bilge.
@molgrips ftw!
considering how long it took to get into production, the script is dire - and the throwaway swearing/gore/rape , for me , sometimes feel its for "sensationalism" to show its "more adult"
Yes I can hear you, [s]Clem Fandango[/s] Voq, son of none...
Looks as if it took half the season to get to where whoever made the pitch wanted to be at the end of the first episode.
pah , i just had a thought, as they turned a klingon into a total human (on the outside) are they going to macguffin in some sort of klingon/human hybrid that ties in with the original series where klingons look like humans?
thats about the only thing that could tie in, as lets face it , the tech in this series is better than the tech in the next gen movies - yet its set before KIRK IIRC.
disaster.
i would have had more respect if they had kept it "old tech" and copied KIRK era and just concentrated on script/story!
#holographicbloodycommsrubbish....
Jumped the shark not when they ended up in a different universe, but when that universe turned out to be populated by humans acting like Klingons.
You've not watched much Star Trek then I take it? The Mirror Universe has been a thing on and off since an episode in the original series.
Yes and it's absurd and as you correctly point out, cliched to death.
As absurd as FTL travel and that 99.9999% of all intelligent species are bipedal?*
* though IIRC this was addressed in one episode of TNG.
i would have had more respect if they had kept it "old tech" and copied KIRK era
It's a bit of a dichotomy. You can't make a show in 2017 that looks like it was filmed in the 60s. It might please the Trek nerds but outside of fandom it'd be watched by about six viewers. Yet it's a prequel, so should be lower tech. Enterprise suffered badly from this at times.
I can see how they could get away with scripting out some of the advanced tech. The spore drive will eventually be consigned to history as "far too dangerous to use ever again." It kinda makes a mockery of TOS boldly going where no-one has gone before though.
The question I have though is, why create a rod for their back in the first place by setting it ten years before TOS? There's little in Discovery to prevent it being set later in the timeline (so far at least), unless it's going to end up being an actual prequel / set-up for TOS.
"There's little in Discovery to prevent it being set later in the timeline"
thats a good point @Cougar - didnt think of it like that
the only way i can see the spore drive never coming into historical timeline is they all die and /or the ship is lost because so far only that ship has it and the Captain seems keen to keep it away from the federation.
thats assuming they dont transmit thier data/logs back to federation on how its all working of course, which would also be a bit ridiculous...
I was thinking that the mycelium network would somehow be destroyed as part of the plot.
(aside, I've edited the thread title to better reflect the discussion)
It always amazes me how Trekkies, despite watching a show, which, from the outset, has been packed with stuff mainly designed to save on production costs, have managed to turn all its weaknesses into some kind of mythology which transcends mere 'entertainment'. Sitting around for hours talking about moral dilemmas in TNG, good. Kirk knocking out/kissing various bipedal aliens, good. Slight misinterpretation of Klingon dialect - BURN HIM!
And then spend hours picking apart the relative plausibility of each variant.
I reckon Abrams blew up Vulcan just for shits and giggles with this in mind. Take that, Star Trek canon timeline!
I quite enjoy the latest one. Suspension of disbelief is a pretty obvious qualifier for Trek, though.
Loving the critics. It's Start Trek FFS, of course it's preposterous. Not nearly as contrived and unbelievable as Star Wars mind you. At least they've made some effort to explain/justify the tech and don't have all-powerful mystical forces enabling magic powers.
Anyway, I love it. Very much like the darker approach. Early on the klingons were somewhat annoying but this thing about Voq transforming himself into Tyler is properly sinister. They've done a superb job with Tilly too. They've also learned the lessons from TNG, DS9 and Voyager by not having a pompous 'rules are rules' federation zombie captain and Isaacs is brilliant as Lorca. The mycelium drive is ridiculous, but is it any worse than a Heisenberg compensator?
Take that, Star Trek canon timeline!
Yeah. It was a savvy way of ditching a load of baggage so they're free to do what they want without some poindexter whining that they're using phasers two years before they were invented or something.
Suspension of disbelief is a pretty obvious qualifier for Trek, though.
Suspension of disbelief is a requirement for any sci-fi show, but any show still has to be internally consistent. If it sets rules then it should follow them, otherwise it pulls you out of the viewing experience. (There are of course notable exceptions to this, Doctor Who and Red Dwarf jump to mind.)
It's Start Trek FFS, of course it's preposterous.
That's why I don't watch Star Trek generally. I started with this because it looked like it was going to be better, then I became very disappointed.
Not nearly as contrived and unbelievable as Star Wars mind you. At least they've made some effort to explain/justify the tech and don't have all-powerful mystical forces enabling magic powers.
Star Wars isn't sci-fi, it's fantasy, which is why it doesn't need to explain anything, and why it's actually better for not doing so and why the attempt in Ep1 was so egregious. See also Highlander 2.
At least they've made some effort to explain/justify the tech
No, they haven't.
For example - if, in an alternate universe, the course of history has diverged so much, and people with different qualities therefore succeed, why is the alternate ship still full of the same people?
The mycelium drive is ridiculous
Most plausible thing in it, to me.
As absurd as FTL travel and that 99.9999% of all intelligent species are bipedal?*
Much more so. Those things can be explained and extrapolated from principles or at least one chance discovery.
some poindexter
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