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How many more kids need to be killed or maimed by these animals before they are banned??
This time, a 16-month-old baby has been mauled by the family pet - they probably swore blind that it was "great with kids".
I know, any dog is capable of attacking a child, but if you've ever seen one of these dogs in action (I have), you'll understand that they have no place in society. Dogs bred for fighting are inherently more aggressive, and will clamp on to their prey and rag it until it's dead.
Yes, dogs like Labs, spaniels etc will snap at kids but they don't maul them to death. And the argument that it's the owners fault and not the dog is utter rubbish, responsible dog owners should choose breeds that haven't been refined over the centuries for killing.
Shoot them all, makes my ****in piss boil.
Was it definitely a Staffie?
[url= http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-22275970 ]Yep.[/url]
mine is...
and like people, environment can have a major impact on a dog's character and personality.
I have Boxers. They are good with kids.
Some great Staffies as family pets but like ANY dog you CANT leave a dog alone with a small child.
A generalisation but quite true IMO: A Yorkshire Terrier is more likely to bite you/a child. If a Staff was annoyed by a child though the bite could be a whole lot worse.
For the record I've been bitten by:
1 x Corgie
1 x yorkie
2 x Westies
and
1 x Doberman Pincher.
All dogs have the potential to attack.
My friends have just re-homed their "great with kids" spaniel because it bit a friends child.
We rehomed our beloved Westie as it attacked our son twice.
Wiki is your friend:
[i]Although individual differences in personality exist, common traits exist throughout the Staffords. Due to its breeding, and history, the Staffordshire Bull Terrier is known for its character of intelligence, fearlessness and loyalty.[4] This, coupled with its affection for its friends, its off-duty quietness and trustworthy stability, make it a foremost all-purpose dog.[5] It has been said that "No breed is more loving with its family".
The breed is naturally muscular and may appear intimidating; however, because of their natural fondness for people, most Staffords are temperamentally ill-suited for guard or attack-dog training. Staffordshire Bull Terrier puppies are very easy to house train.[/i]
I seem to recall that the most common breed associated with attacks are Labrador's and the most common by percentage of dogs owned are collies. Of course that isn't the story the media want to present.
I've witnessed my Doc's Lab turn and attack (unprovoked) a silverbacked-Staff. The Staff did NOTHING back.
Now I wouldn't leave a dog (my own/anyones) with my son. I'd have strict rules too.
Far too many variables, the best dogs in the world can suddenly 'snap' (illness etc).
[quote=imnotverygood ]Wiki is your friend:
Although individual differences in personality exist, common traits exist throughout the Staffords. Due to its breeding, and history, the Staffordshire Bull Terrier is known for its character of intelligence, fearlessness and loyalty.[4] This, coupled with its affection for its friends, its off-duty quietness and trustworthy stability, make it a foremost all-purpose dog.[5] It has been said that "No breed is more loving with its family".
The breed is naturally muscular and may appear intimidating; however, because of their natural fondness for people, most Staffords are temperamentally ill-suited for guard or attack-dog training. Staffordshire Bull Terrier puppies are very easy to house train.
I wonder who provided that Wiki information 🙄
I did Colin
🙂
I'm not going to sit here and say whether I agree or disagree with this debate over whether it'd a dog fault or the owners fault. The only thought I have to add is that probably millions and millions of parents hit and abuse their children everyday and let's not go into drug and alcohol abused kids and generally kids who have the most foulest of up bringing. Perhaps we should ban certain people from having kids or instantly kill them on sight. At least people have a comprehensive of cause and effect and morals and right and wrong. Perhaps they should be held more accountable than animals who do not gave the same comprehension that we have as humans.
Can anyone point me in the direction of an article where a child has been mauled to death by a Labrador?
As I said, I'm fully aware that all dogs can snap at people, but it's one thing having a dog that nips someone's fingers and a completely different one where the dog clamps on to their throat and rags it until they're dead.
And let's take a moment to think about what a 'mauling' might look like, what it must feel like to be savaged by an animal like this! It's horrific, I can assure you.
Yes, Staffies are considered "loyal". Unfortunately, this trait tends to be a grossly over-simplified anthropomorphisation of its inherent pack mentality, which whilst making your average "Rockport waterskiing" chav feel like king dick, is also the reason they will turn so violently when the mood - or instinct - takes them.
"For the record I've been bitten by:
1 x Corgie
1 x yorkie
2 x Westies
and
1 x Doberman Pincher. "
You are a sausage and I claim my £5
Staffs are known as "the nanny dog" because of their affection/loyalty around kids.
The ones I've known personally are absolutely fantastic creatures; love a bit of rough and tumble but know their place too. Having said that, I would never choose to have one as a pet due to already having a little boy. I simply wouldn't trust it.
As others have said, ANY dog can turn. It's what they're capable of when they turn that you need to worry about.
Removes flameproof suit...
Mine is as soft as a daft thing, that said I would never leave any animal alone with young children unattended, but that is just down to the fact that years ago I worked with animals and know how they can be provoked by people.
Staffords make good copy, all sorts of dogs attack kids.
Its the owner not the dog thats to blame.
Ro5ey the 'funny' thing is all had already bitten me and I'd gone back for more. Fearless and stupid.
neighbours and their new puppy were attacked by an off the lead staffy last week, the puppy required surgery and stapling back together, the lady neighbour required a hospital visit and stitches 🙁
sad because events like this will only further the negative opinion of staffys, whereas every staffy i've met out with the dog has been lovely.
Hora, if the last dog on your list had been a Bull Terrier, you might very well not be typing today!
Can anyone point me in the direction of an article where a child has been mauled to death by a Labrador?
Not a child, but still a Labrador.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isabelle_Dinoire
Lots of staffie type dogs breed for fighting and aggression, or breed from aggressive dogs, so the breed has been a bit corrupted now.
Pitbulls top the list for human deaths I think, but then again humans have breed them for their aggression, so it's their own fault...
A recent sad story was a family Jack Russell.
A dog's only master is the male in the house. A very sad fact.
The only exception that I've seen is a very strong woman with two Staffs where we used to run bingo that she utterly dominated and controlled.
Pitbulls top the list for human deaths I think, but then again humans have breed them for their aggression, so it's their own fault...
What a dumb thing to say. So this 16 month old baby brought this on himself???
Staffs should be rounded up and shot for the sake of children’s faces everywhere. If you need someone to dig the hole and pull the trigger I will do it! I might hit some of the owners to while I’m at it but that risk is worth taking.
I’m obviously not a dog lover but:
A dog's only master is the male in the house. A very sad fact.
That sounds like complete dog toffee.
Never heard so much crap on this forum, The Wiki is pretty much lifted from the Kennel Club site who know about dogs unlike the media were some of you do your research maybe try reading a book?
only male in the house...
rubbish. absolute rubbish.
Can anyone point me in the direction of an article where a child has been mauled to death by a Labrador?
Not quite killed to death but pretty bad outcome (sorry for the Daily Fail link but seems pretty appropriate considering the suggestion above that they only write about the angry dogs)
[url= http://www.****/news/article-2003849/Boy-3-left-horrific-facial-injuries-Labrador-savages-Poole-Harbour.html ]As requested[/url]
Im not suggesting they only wright about Staffs but there the favorite at the moment 90's were rotweillers (sp?) 70's ? Doberman?
only male in the house...rubbish. absolute rubbish.
Unfortuately sex equality hasn't reached the dog world yet fella.
environment can have a major impact on a dog's character and personality.
I know I will get flamed for this and no doubt someone will immediately link to something to counter this but, here goes:
You don't often hear of attacks in nice middle class homes. I'm pretty confident if someone could do good quality analysis of stats, you would see that attacks by dogs are more common per head of population in the lower earning socio economic groups.
The snob in me says perhaps there is a class thing here.
you've not met our gun dog trainer hora, she is a fine example of a woman being in complete control of dogs.
I've met some who are great with kids and some who you wouldn't take into a room with people. Some who should have been shot at birth and some complete softies.
I'm talking about people.
Dogs are mostly a product of their owners but also common sense shoulds also prevail.
If you insist on having a staffie or other such mental killing machine in the house with your kids, could you not just keep a fresh supply of bunny rabbits lolloping around the living room, then when it decided to have a psychotic incident it could just rag those around, instead of your childs face?
You'd have to have wooden floors instead of carpets, obviously. But that'd work wouldn't it?
dannybee - MemberIm not suggesting they only wright about Staffs but there the favorite at the moment 90's were rotweillers (sp?) 70's ? Doberman?
Bingo!
Shibbers has been sucked in by the flavour of the month.
STOP PRESS!!!
IMMIGRANT LESBIAN STAFFIE STOLE MY JOB AND GAVE ME CANCER WITH ITS MUSLAMIC RAY GUN.
[quote=binners ]If you insist on having a staffie or other such mental killing machine in the house with your kids, could you not just keep a fresh supply of bunny rabbits lolloping around the living room, then when it decided to have a psychotic incident it could just rag those around, instead of your childs face?
You'd have to have wooden floors instead of carpets, obviously. But that'd work wouldn't it?
I don't think you've thought this through.....
could you not just keep a fresh supply of bunny rabbits lolloping around the living room
Our rabbit scratched my 3 year old last night. You don't see that being reported in the Daily Mail do you? Burn it to death!!!!!
friend spent 3 days in hospital with an infected cat bite on their hand... nearly everyone i know... actually for the sake of the thread, lets change that to everyone in the world, especially kids and vulnerable adults (as vulnerable adults are the only people silly enough to welcome these evil creatures into their homes) has been scratched or bitten by a cat.
cats do nothing but use you then when you're not attending to their every need, leave or daydream about ways to kill you.
of course the daily mail doesn't report that, cos cats vote tory.
Dogs and kids. That's the issue here. Not which dog but any dog.
I own a high energy patterdale terrier. He's daft and thinks everyone wants to play. So many kids are fearful of dogs and get jumpy around them, Eddie thinks its play. So I keep him on a lead around kids and never leave him alone with them. He won't bite but he could push them over easily. I think that makes me responsible. More dog owners should be.
Dogs will more often than not just mirror a humans behaviour. If you are calm, they are calm. If you run, they run. If you are aggressive...you know the rest. Why this fact is beyond some dog owners is beyond me.
If you insist on having a staffie or other such mental killing machine in the house with your kids, could you not just keep a fresh supply of bunny rabbits lolloping around the living room, then when it decided to have a psychotic incident it could just rag those around, instead of your childs face?
I've known you since 1603 and that must be the funniest thing you've ever said.
Why do dogs need teeth? They no longer strip meat from the carcass of a recently killed wild antelope, they just eat mushy dog food.
Why not just genetically modify dogs so they no longer have teeth? Then, when they attack, you just get a mushy love bite*
* Obviously I am joking, this wouldn't work for police dogs, they should be allowed to keep their teeth.
A dog's only master is the male in the house. A very sad fact.
Complete and utter bullshite from somone whose dog had to be rehomed cause it bit his son.
My dog can be left alone with my son for short periods and it will not bite him. I was left alone with dogs from a young age and was never biten. Flame away if you like those of you who think someone should not leave a dog alone with a young child. I'm more than hapy to nip upstair for a shower or whatever with both of them on the sofa watching Cbeebies 😀
Just to add balance obviously i love my Staffie but the other week on a local trail i was met by a very angry Staf and a owner screaming for him to come back (he was quite a way away) the dog was very aggressive and i felt sure it was a close call whether it attacked or not the guys comment when he finally got it on the lead " Glad she was not going for me she's a vicious little bugger"
These are the ones that need shooting not the dog what made it a hundred times worse was a few days later i spotted it again off the lead 🙁 It makes me sad i own a popular dog which is popular with a lot of the population i would call scum 🙄
The facts are that they are ugly dogs mostly owned by shell suit wearers.
Why anyone would want one is beyond me.
I used to love going to see the dogs at the rspca and dream of which one we would have. 95% of them now are Staffies. Shit dogs owned (should I say given away once it chewed the x box) by shit people.
Can anyone point me in the direction of an article where a child has been mauled to death by a Labrador?
Sadly, yes.
I'm heartily sick of the pro-dog lobby in this country. They are dirty, smelly and downright dangerous (the dogs, not the people. Although ...) and the sheer number of them these days is ridiculous. We care more for dogs in this country than people (Stafford hospitals?) Grrrrrrrrr.
Also the Staffie is one of only two dogs from 190 the kennel club recommends as suitable with children !
used to love going to see the dogs at the rspca and dream of which one we would have. 95% of them now are Staffies
So true. I just looked at the Edinburgh Dogs home website. I reckon about 80% were staffie or staffie cross.
There was a collie cross called Clive!
The facts are that they are ugly dogs mostly owned by shell suit wearers.
Why anyone would want one is beyond me.
I used to love going to see the dogs at the rspca and dream of which one we would have. 95% of them now are Staffies. Shit dogs owned (should I say given away once it chewed the x box) by shit people.
Well that's your opinion but i don't think I'm shit and i don't own a xbox but since where giving opinions i think your a nob 😆
Recently a friends dog was mauled to death by a Bull Terrier.A few weeks earlier the same dog had killed an old guys elderly Collie.
The owners were seen in the local vets trying to get the microchip removed to stop indentification, but the dog was just wild and they had to leave.
The police took no action as they said it was dog on dog attacks and not on people.My wife was really scared taking our King Charles out as she witnessed the second attack.
Youths around here with Bull Terriers have been known to approach dog walkers in order to provoke fighting between the dogs.
There is no place for these types of dogs and mindset of some of the owners and they should be banned.
I would bet large sums of money that most of the staffies doing the baby killing are heavily cross bred and owned by morons. So not actually really staffies at all.
i own a popular dog which is popular with a lot of the population i would call scum
here's the problem, scum breeding aggressive dogs and yielding more aggressive dogs. Breed is screwed now.
There needs to be tighter control over dog breeding.
And DNA registration of dogs so DNA testing of those little bags of sh1t hanging from trees can find the owner so they can be fined...
Youths around here with Bull Terriers have been known to approach dog walkers in order to provoke fighting between the dogs.
Some people tried that with my dog, was quite funny watching this thing try and catch a lurcher. In the end it gave up much to their disappointment. Police were completely unintrested when I reported it.
Recently a friends dog was mauled to death by a Bull Terrier.A few weeks earlier the same dog had killed an old guys elderly Collie.
A friend of my father lived on the outskirts of the jungle in India a while back. Their baby was on the veranda and a tiger came out of the jungle and was about to take the baby. Their bull terrier (english) came round the corner and sacrificed itself fighting off the tiger and saving the baby.
My father had 3 english or proper breeding (Butch, Blossom and Belinda - pedigree dictates that they have to be named with a B, or something like that) and they were great.
Pure breed they are fantastic dogs, it is the pitbulls and cross breeding that is the problem, and the scum of society that breed them like this. It is them that need putting down...
Indomitably courageous
Tenacious
Highly intelligent
Affectionate, especially with children
Bold
Fearless
Totally reliable
shows how much shit the kennel club are full of.
I love all your informed intelligent comments concerning a dog you have never owned. I have had Staffords for over 15 years and have never had any issues apart from other dogs attacking mine and then the associate vet bills. To all those saying the dogs and owners are scum and the dogs should be shot please keep your asshole remarks to yourself and piss off.
I've never owned a Staffie, but all the Staffies I've known have been good dogs, hugely enthusiastic.
A Staffie from a good home is incredibly patient around kids who poke and pull on them, and the least likely dog to turn on a kid IMO.
But of course, then there's dogs that have been brutalised by low life scum - any dog - and you can't trust them.
Around other dogs properly trained Staffies rarely start a fight, but they often finish it, so they need to be kept in check there because once in action, they're mini tyrannosauruses and impervious to pain.
Ugly little buggers with a happy smile. 🙂
A more up to date article about them being good family dogs seems its not just the Kennel Club that are full of shit anagallis_,
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-22158107
The other issue is as soon as you see an owner with one, could be a campsite, any setting at all you think 'common'.
The owner could be the nicest looking bloke- its just perceived as a common-man's dog now isn't it?
Sad really as the Staff's I've met are/were lovely.
To be fair i am pretty common 😀
Never heard so much crap on this forum, The Wiki is pretty much lifted from the Kennel Club site who know about dogs unlike the media were some of you do your research maybe try reading a book?
My knowledge of fighting dogs comes from my father. In the late 80's, he was a Police Officer who spent several years under cover infiltrating dog fighting gangs, buying and selling pit bulls, staffies etc.
He advised the government at the time and was instrumental in the drafting of the Dangerous Dogs Act of 1991.
During that time, he had some of the most dangerous dogs in the UK kept in a stable block at our house, and had a large collection of videos of dog fights - both Pits and Staffies.
I'd post a link to a video of what these animals are capable, but I don't think it would please the moderators of this forum.
So no, I don't do my research in the mainstream media.
I grew up with a variety of dogs and have owned an English bull for 11 years. The only dog who's ever bitten me with an intent to hurt me was a collie. BAN COLLIES DANGEROUS BITEY BEASTS.
My knowledge of fighting dogs comes from my father. In the late 80's, he was a Police Officer who spent several years under cover infiltrating dog fighting gangs
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I seem to recall that the most common breed associated with attacks are Labrador's and the most common by percentage of dogs owned are collies.
Your memory must be from decades ago as Labs are constantly top of the list for most common dogs in the UK and Collies rarely appear.
As for so many dogs apparently going against the nature of the breed, could be this is considered a good breed to put some pitbull into and get away with it...?
Some of the stuff written here is complete bull shit.
I had a Staffie from about the age of 6 or 7. He would never intentional bite anyone. You could even put your arm in his mouth and he would never bite to hurt it.
If they are properly trained, they are great dogs.
My knowledge of fighting dogs comes from my father. In the late 80's, he was a Police Officer who spent several years under cover infiltrating dog fighting gangs, buying and selling pit bulls, staffies etc.He advised the government at the time and was instrumental in the drafting of the Dangerous Dogs Act of 1991.
During that time, he had some of the most dangerous dogs in the UK kept in a stable block at our house, and had a large collection of videos of dog fights - both Pits and Staffies.
I'd post a link to a video of what these animals are capable, but I don't think it would please the moderators of this forum.
So no, I don't do my research in the mainstream media.
I don't base my view of the people I meet in everyday life on the harrowing tales of the cruelty and barbarism that happens in war.
My knowledge of fighting dogs comes from my father. In the late 80's, he was a Police Officer who spent several years under cover infiltrating dog fighting gangs, buying and selling pit bulls, staffies etc.
I retract my media statement then it obviously does not apply to you but i was talking about the breed in general not the ones have been trained to fight and respect to your Dad it is not a job i could stomach.
Why was the Staffy never put on the Dangerous dogs act? I had a quick look on there and the only one i recognise is the pitbull.
He advised the government at the time and was instrumental in the drafting of the Dangerous Dogs Act of 1991.
One of the most ridiculous and ineffectual pieces of legislation passed in recent years - you must be so proud.
Why was the Staffy never put on the Dangerous dogs act? I had a quick look on there and the only one i recognise is the pitbull.
I suspect it was a populist decision - it was certainly against advice from the Police.
I had a Staffie from about the age of 6 or 7. He would never intentional bite anyone. You could even put your arm in his mouth and he would never bite to hurt it.
Sam, you are a complete and utter tool with no knowledge or understanding of dogs or their behaviour! Of course you can put your arm in its mouth! You were the 'pack leader'! But if the dog ever felt that it - or you - was in some way threatened, whether it was directly, or a perceived threat to its rank in the pack hierarchy, it would undoubtedly have the potential to attack - just like ANY OTHER DOG.
The difference is that your dog would more than likely have inflicted horrific, potentially fatal injuries, whereas a non-fighting breed like a collie, Lab or shepherd would most likely inflict a single snap.
And let's not forget, dogs have NO understanding of the society values that we possess, so whilst knobs and chavs like to keep Staffies to protect them from gangsters, dealers and thieves, no dog in the history of dogs can tell the difference between a villain and a child or a postman.
and in the empirical evidence crap that is the most important the missus as a vet had her worst bite/attack experiences with labs.
Sam, you are a complete and utter tool with no knowledge or understanding of dogs or their behaviour!
Oh the ironing!
no dog in the history of dogs can tell the difference between a villain and a child or a postman.
Mine can.
dogs have NO understanding of the society values (sic) that we possess
Yes they do.
Not sure on the villain but our dog can tell the difference between the kids and the postman 😕
The black and white cat's the giveaway with the postman though, surely?