[Closed] Someone on here had a Focus ST estate...

Tempted by interest free pcp then? 🙂
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I started a thread[/url] about the estate last week, someone with an st said they are very happy with it.

Bit too lary for me so I'm going for the 1.5 182ps petrol titanium x. It's got more toys than the st.

I've had mine almost 4 years so the same guts as the current one but not the facelift. ST3, petrol though not diesel. It's great, only issues in that time are front brakes needing replaced, 2x sets of front tyres (lots of fwd torque) and the front springs replaced too, but I blame the potholes for that. It is thirsty though, real world driving is 30mpg on average at best, if you are careful it will nudge 35 or a bit over on long motorway journeys. I guess the diesel is better but probably not as fun to drive. The boot is massive and very functional.

I'm likely going for a petrol ST estate or a Golf R estate for the next car. Test drove the ST which was awesome. Just ne d to convince the Mrs to let me sell the current motor!

Thought you were definitely going as cheap as possible?

Kryton57 - Member

Cant see beyond getting an economically viable motorway cruiser/bike carrier Octavia a-like as cheap as possible with my car allowance for 24 months.

Good discounts on ford at the moment though and 0% pcp, I'm getting the focus estate for just over £18k, depending on paint colour. That's with £1500 scrappage allowance though.

The ST is about £6k more though and the golf r about £12k more.

And so it was coincidental that I rocked up to marshal an event yesterday and there was current model year ST diesel and Octavia VRS parked side by side. In conversation with the owner, the Ford owner was a bit "meh", claiming that hes recieving less MPG than advertised unless trying really hard, a cluttered dash layout, fiddly Sat Nav and not as much space in the boot as you might think.

The Octavia owner was very happy with his puchase, and pointed out that it cost less that then ST, was bigger and was underpinned with german levels of quality. The ST owner actually said "I considered the Octavia and do you know what, I wish I'd gone with it".

Interesting!

Does anyone have the 1.0 ecoboost?

On paper it looks like its enough power, but does it?

My mate returned his 1.0 ecoboost as he said he felt like he had to pin it everywhere to get to normal speeds, ergo the mpg was atrocious

He now has a 1.6

claiming that hes recieving less MPG than advertised

That's the same with every car surely?

We went to buy one yesterday, ford dealer couldn't sell us one 'soonest we can get it is February', then he tried to sell us an ST3 or an ST line, or the car he was using and had done 24k in.

We need it before the end of the year so trying other sources.

I'm not that keen on the looks of the VRS really and the standard octavia estate is super dull.

Does anyone have the 1.0 ecoboost?

I have a Fiesta (125ps), and it's ideal.

Not sure I would want it in anything bigger.

The current Focus's boot isn't as epic as the mk1 but it's still way better than an octavia estate's, if you want it as a bike hauler.

How old was the sat nav on the one you spoke to the guy about? Not sure when it changed, but if it's sync 2 then yes, it's appalling. Sync 3, however, is a quantum leap better.

Of course you won't get the advertised mpg, you don't in any car. It's the results of a lab test in controlled conditions that manufacturers have to display. It's not real world.

The ST is a great car, but the diesel seems kind of pointless. Very little character compared to the Petrol, and doesn't feel that quick.
And yes, before you ask, I have. But not the estates. And the petrol was much better. The diesel was just like a diesel with harsh suspension, the Petrol feels like a very capable hot hatch.

Of course you won't get the advertised mpg

He was talking about an advertised 60mpg going down to early 40's - thats significant.

The current Focus's boot isn't as epic as the mk1 but it's still way better than an octavia estate's, if you want it as a bike hauler.

Really? I was standing next to both and the Octavia was visually a bigger car.

If I continue looking at the focus I am tempted to go for the petrol for shits & giggles, the other seems pointless. Any views on the petrol as Powershift rather than manual?

Really? I was standing next to both and the Octavia was visually a bigger car.

Boot in Focus is wide and flat with no wheel intrusion at all.

I have an 2017 Petrol ST3 estate and it is a big improvement over the pre 2015 ones.
SYNC 3 is very good.

Done 4000 miles and now averaging 35 mpg.

Great car and they hold their value really well.

Guy at work bought a 2012 model for £15K last year to replace his mk 2 octavia VRS.

servo - Member

Boot in Focus is wide and flat with no wheel intrusion at all.

Aye, I don't know what the actual capacities are but the usability in the focus is superb.

I'm likely going for a petrol ST estate or a Golf R estate for the next car.

I like Golfs, I like the GTi, but think the 'R' has nothing about it..looks wise. Move onto the estate version though and its a whole new 'nothing'. Visually one of the most bland, boring looking cars I've ever seen.(Based on its performance obvs)

So, ST for me, if I was choosing!

(I do have excellent taste btw...in case you were about to disagree with any of the above)

oops, double post!

I'd agree, had a look yesterday and the boot does look pretty decent.

Don't even consider a Golf R unless you want a very high risk of being introduced to some new people in your hallway in the middle of the night.

and drive the deal have now come back to say february delivery. Bollocks.

I like the Golf R, I think they look good!

GTI and ST are comparable

R and RS are comparable too. Don't think you can get a Focus RS estate?

I have a 2016 ST estate perfume burner in grey 🙂

Have also had an Octavia vRS petrol, but it was a 2007 version.

In a nutshell, the Octavia (especially new one, as we have a few at work) is a much nicer place to be, but as a drivers car the ST leaves it behind.

The not so nutshell is that the ST drives like a go kart. It is very point and squirt with very direct steering and little (no) body roll. Good feedback through the steering and excellent seats (ST3 version).

The Skoda is just as fast but doesn't quite have the road manners or feedback of the ST. The Skoda interior is quite a bit plusher, less plastic and all together more grown up.

Bike wise, they both fit any bike in with the front wheel removed and the back seats down. Octavia is a fair bit larger in the rear but I have no problems with my ST.

Economy wise, I've done 23k since new and it is averaging 47 mpg. This is mixture of country lanes and motorway driving. Economy really does suffer if you like to give it a bit of welly (to be expected). On a run at 50 to 80 mph with no rapid bursts I can comfortably get 55mpg, 65 if steady at 65-70 mph, but that never happens so it's a largely irrelevant figure.

Given the choice again, if it has to be a diesel I'd still choose an ST, as I love it as a drivers car, but I wouldn't be unhappy with the vRS.

Without the limitation of diesel, the vRS 245Hp petrol version would be my ideal but I'd have to change the suspension to get it firmer and more direct.

Any questions, please feel free to ask 😀

So it seems to be impossible to get the car I want before February. The issue appears to be my engine choice - the 1.5l 182. I'm now thinking of going for the 2l diesel instead, would I be crazy buying a diesel though?

The Skoda is just as fast but doesn't quite have the road manners or feedback of the ST. The Skoda interior is quite a bit plusher, less plastic and all together more grown up.

Thanks Twonks - thats what I want for those tired return journeys a long way down the motorway network. Mind made up.

If you are looking at the VRS diesel, I have the Golf GTD hatch with essentially the same engine. Real world mpg over the 22k miles and 9 months I've had it is circa 46mpg so similar , to the Focus ST(D.) I don't drive particularly sedately.
Great car but mpg nowhere near what I got from my 320d which averaged mid fifties.

I have a 2.0l Focus diesel estate. Surprised me with its performance especially from about 40mph.

Boot is excellent; can easily get 3 bikes in (front wheels off) with the rear seat split so can still carry 2 passengers

Unfortunately I can't get the oil burner either until next year. FFS how can it take 5 months to get a new ford?

The leather Recaro seats in my ST3 are excellent but maybe because I am a racing snake 😀

A friend of mine is a freelance bike mechanic and after 3 trips in mine has just ordered an ST3 estate in Tangerine Scream 😯

Unfortunately I can't get the oil burner either until next year. FFS how can it take 5 months to get a new ford?

Sorry Gary, I waited from August last year until end of February to get mine 😀

Unfortunately I can't get the oil burner either until next year. FFS how can it take 5 months to get a new ford?

If you do some ringing around, you [i]might[/i] be able to find a dealer who already has an allocation who build in your spec to achieve an earlier delivery.

Standard lead times on the ST are pretty long though and always have been.

I may have said this before, but look at the 140i....

Last night on a run I achieved 43.8mpg over 94 miles. With a bike on the roof. I have a picture as proof...

I'll be honest, it's possibly the most boring 94 miles I've ever done but you know....economy and all that..

Last night on a run I achieved 43.8mpg over 94 miles

Is that good?

Well, it's better than the normal 21 mpg that I get. But you're right, in the scheme of things, not brilliant. Thanks Gary, THANKS A BUNCH...

I may have said this before, but look at the 140i....

If so I'd be tempted to keep my 120D at £9k for a car with 40000 miles on it, super condition and I know it works for me...

I’ll pop into this..

I’d ignore the manufacturers MPG expectation, or rather use them as a very loose guide. Everyone knows real world usage is key, plenty of information around that outline real world MPG figures.

I know nothing about Fords or Skodas but there are plenty of folk that drive them, must be a forum or two for both marques to enable more informed choice.

Pistonheads for example?

Just sayin.

Yes, but it's not a 140i is it Kryton. Mines nearly 400bhp now, does 40+ mpg on a run and...well, its a bit uncomfortable, I have to carry bikes on the roof and it eats rear tyres. But that aside...400bhp. I had my RS4 dyno'd and it only just made a bit more than that. That was also expensive to run and impractical most of the time. So basically you're buying a rear drive RS4 with a BMW badge.

Do it, do it, do it, do it..

So basically you're buying a rear drive RS4 with a BMW badge

Sorry, I'm not interested in the "look at me", and I'm getting too old to be rattled around England as I travel. What I want is a bike lugger with a bit of "making progress" about it, but the ability to cruise in comfort when needed.

Eh?
[url= http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/project-2017-rs4-avant ]Nothing to see here...[/url]

[url= http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/f20-135i-owners-how-mad-is-it ]Or here...[/url]

I've calmed down...

@Flange,

can you fit a removable tower to the 140i? I need one for bikes and occasional ute trailer....

If not It'll have to be the 340i.

Kryton57 - Member

Sorry, I'm not interested in the "look at me", and I'm getting too old to be rattled around England as I travel. What I want is a bike lugger with a bit of "making progress" about it, but the ability to cruise in comfort when needed.

If this is the brief, you could do worse than a Passat with the 2 ltr turbo (Golf gti, vRS etc etc) petrol engine in.

Bit of a sleeper car and lovely inside for long journeys.

I was going to get an ST but put off by local reports of house invasion/ theft. Seems to happen more than you would want. Even the Ford dealers suggested it was a regular problem. Not worth risking putting wife and kids in the firing line. Three colleagues have had homes broken into this year to steal their hot hatches.

Sorry, I'm not interested in the "look at me",

It's a good car, boot is well laid out. I had a titanium x with everything on it apart from the steal me bodykit. (Had the huge wheels though 😆 ) Very good car.

I'd have a mondeo next though, just that bit more space than the focus and can be had with as much progress power. Both gain space over the equivalent Audi or beemer. I don't think the Octavia does a good job of maximising internal space for biking. Superb isn't much better, lots of faff. If bikes can't go straight in one wheel off upside down it's a ballache.

Although the only vehicle for huge capability with all the comfort you need and all the power you want would be an e class. 50 yet? 😆

I'm comprehensively in the doghouse. I hated my xc60 so much I've just replaced it with a 2015 rS4. My wife is _delighted_. Next month, when I'm allowed back in the house things will calm down. Marital relations may resume in 2019.

Odd innit, I really didn’t “like” my Xc60 that much either 😆
Glad it’s gone, not a vehicle I think I’ll remember much about in a few years.

Anyhow..possible solution to Krytons dithering ?

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I've calmed down...

If it helps Kryton, I sold my RS4 a few months back when I was redeveloping/extending my house and didn’t want to borrow money. Frankly, I did like it, but it was so stupidly fast, you just could never use it safely. Bought an S5 convo and cashed in £21k and I’m very happy with the decision.

Not sure what’s not to like in an XC60? I bought my wife the R Design FWD a couple of years ago and she loves it. I drive it and whilst it’s not an S5, find it extremely comfortable.

Krytons dithering

No dithering here. Ive got to change or buy my car in 10 months, and the way my world works I need to know/test/read reviews on the contenders before then, especially if theres a delivery period to consider.

Ok, dithering a bit harsh.. but you have been asking the same questions for quite sometime since you got the Beemer you have now.

XC60 is a nice car, I had mine just over 2years.. but... it is a bit ... dunno... dull.

10 months,

Aw ffs, that means we've still got another 42 threads to go 🙁

P.S.

Thanks Twonks - thats what I want for those tired return journeys a long way down the motorway network. Mind made up.

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If so I'd be tempted to keep my 120D at £9k for a car with 40000 miles on it, super condition and I know it works for me...

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No dithering here.

🙂

Sorry, I'm not interested in the "look at me", and I'm getting too old to be rattled around England as I travel.

Why are you even considering a boy raceresque focus st (no offense to st owners) then? Seems an odd choice.

Can't you just get a 'sensible' car that doesn't have a bodykit and a big exhaust if that's what you really want?

That's the next thread..... or the last one...... i get confused

So here we go, a couple of usual suspects turn the thread into a joke / the usual character assassination.

Why are you even considering a boy raceresque focus st (no offense to st owners) then? Seems an odd choice.

Gary - note the title of the thread, and my subsequent decision not to buy one, which should answer your question. I was considering the car, sought some real life advice and am now not considering the car.

If so

Legend, nice of you to isolate my text from the actual post, without context for the purpose of poking fun. We can also see my sentence start with "If" in action to Flange's comment about 1 series. Vis a vis "if" I were considering another 1 series which I am not, I'd consider keeping the one I have.

Now, could we play nicely and not at my expense?

Thanks.

So here we go, a couple of usual suspects turn the thread into a joke / the usual character assassination.

Here you go, taking the hump because as usual you change your mind in the blink of an eye and it gets picked up on.

Surely if on the day you started this thread you knew you didn't want a 'look at me car' then you wouldn't even consider an ST, or a VRS, or R, etc etc. I know when I started looking at a focus I could narrow down the spec I wanted because I knew what I didn't want?

You must know what sort of car you want without asking 'what's this lairy car like then?'

That's the next thread..... or the last one...... i get confused

Lol.....made me laughi!

I bought my wife the R Design FWD a couple of years ago and she loves it.

How can you buy your wife a car?

I'm not in a hump Gary. 🙂 One day I hope to read an an STW thread that doesn't have piss taking or detrimental comments toward the OP. With regard to me its now repetitive, dull and unimaginative of you all to do so. Says more about them than me TBH...

In my mind there's a difference between a "look at me" car and a sporty looking variant. I don't want a dull jelly mould type vehicle, I want something my eye can appreciate but I don't want a shouty car on my drive/in the work car park that attracts everyones attention on a daily basis. Its about what I feel comfortable with, not what other people go "Cor..." at.

Look at what I ride as an example perhaps - and Anthem 29er - fast capable and generally appreciated as a decent machine, but its not a Flouro Intense/Pivot/'dale £5k bling machine.

Hopefully that makes sense.

Yeh makes sense but made readjust what your eyes appreciate 🙂 I just want something reasonably refined, bit of poke, bit of luxury, isn't funny looking and doesn't impress the neighbours.

Like a morerer articulate renton. Still, I enjoy these threads. Keep up the good work!

As a left field option:

Astra?

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As for something constructive I've read enough of your threads to have an idea what you need - have you considered a Passat estate? I'm about to order a 2.0l diesel GT (because that's what on the company car list). Nice spec with radar cruise, digital instruments, panoramic roof, heated half leather (very comfy) seats etc.
If I was speccing one myself I'd opt for one of the bigger TSi petrols with adaptive dampers, insulated glass, android car app thingy, heated screen and maybe LED headlights. Possibly DSG

Would a 320d Efficient Dynamics be in budget?

I loved mine, only got rid because the Mrs drive it more and it was too low for her.

There's millions of them about so don't look flash, being RWD and reasonably powerful they're a lot of fun to drive, they're stupidly comfortable and amazingly cheap to run, we had a 1.6 TDCI Focus before and the BMW used a lot less fuel.

I'd get another if I was getting a car for me.

Dacia Logan?

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Like a morerer articulate renton.

To be fair I've had my current car over 2 years.

As for something constructive I've read enough of your threads to have an idea what you need - have you considered a Passat estate? I'm about to order a 2.0l diesel GT (because that's what on the company car list). Nice spec with radar cruise, digital instruments, panoramic roof, heated half leather (very comfy) seats etc.
If I was speccing one myself I'd opt for one of the bigger TSi petrols with adaptive dampers, insulated glass, android car app thingy, heated screen and maybe LED headlights. Possibly DSG

Sounds interesting, I'll have a look thanks.

Would a 320d Efficient Dynamics be in budget?

Yes, but I'm trying to avoid getting stuck in a Gorrick car park again 🙂

So that's a no on the Dacia?

Non ED xdrive then? Sorted.

Maybe even a 3 or 4 GT.

Considered a Leon ST FR? I've had mine over 2 years now, great car. It's the 180hp 2.0tdi. Nice interior (VAG bits), drives well, decent boot.

Can say the same as everyone else about MPG. Since new I've averaged about 47mpg.

Jamie - Member

As a left field option:

Astra?

Bloody hell! That looks awful - the back end is heading worryingly towards Ssanyong Rhodius territory; at least from that angle.

I was going to suggest this:

st colin - Member

Considered a Leon ST FR

Probably a smaller boot than the Octavia & Focus though. Certainly looked smaller the last time I had a look at one.

Or Volvo V60? My brother-in-law has one & it's very nice.

Yeh the astra back end is hidiuous.

Or Volvo V60

I had a look at one of these, boot is very disappointing. Also looked at a seat leon sports tourer, again boot is small really.

Like a morerer articulate renton.

youre morer than welcomee 🙁

Gary_M - Member

I had a look at one of these, boot is very disappointing.

True. Given the size of the car (V60 that quote refers to), the boot is very small.

Sorry renton, that was a bit low. Personally I couldn't care less how often you change your bike.

Boot on the Passat is massive BTW

How can you buy your wife a car?

Are you telling a joke or asking a question? If it’s the latter....I went in the showroom and bought it...simples!

[url= https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201702021931584 ]Here you go[/url] Kryton.

A bit different, but not something that's going to get you woken up with a knife at your throat. Plenty of power. 4 wheel-drive. Estate. You can sell the 1 series, buy this, and still have change left for a weekend away...or use it to pay for the road tax 😯 .

Or [url= https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201709259632445 ]this one[/url] with 'only' 207 bhp but a bit of extra ride height to get you out of muddy car parks.

Did you used to have an alfa?
[url] http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201709179385075?make=ALFA%20ROMEO&model=159%20SPORTWAGON&logcode=p [/url]

Car needs to be <5yo due to work rules. And if I came home with another Alfa I'll be getting a divorce!

😆

Ive just ordered the focus estate, you need to stop fannying about Kryton 🙂