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One point between the first five teams, and a satisfying gap down to sixth.
As a Liverpool supporter I'm quite pleased how this weekend has turned out 8)
So Stones and Pogba worth every penny 😆
Odd weekend but Liverpool & Chelsea fans have to be happiest. A bit average from both of North London and worst for all Manchester fans of with colour although the red side most unhappy.
I loathe Chelsea but I loved that result.
Mourinho Excuse List:
Biased media ?
Liverpool ?
Injuries ?
Luis Garcia Goal 2005' ?
Referee ?
Wenger ?
Lack of money ?
Pitch ?
4-0 and the crowd sang "you're not special anymore" 🙂
If Spurs are going to do anything they can't come away from Bournemouth 0-0. All to play for
You're not special anymore!
'It's Chelsea vs Moneychester Utd..'
How can they publish that with a straight face?
'It's Chelsea vs Moneychester Utd..'How can they publish that with a straight face?
Indeed, I didn't see that....I only posted it for our resident Man U fans. They've done themselves no favours bringing in Moany (it appears so far). Despite another huge outlay of cash, it seems they are no closer to regaining their former glory. Chelski bought their success no question, but it seems United need to keep spending at this rate.
agreed - the formula just hasn't worked.
For me, the damage was irreversible when all of Fergie's backroom staff left along with the chairman. It may as well have been a new football club at that point - and with Moyes at the helm.. sigh.
Somewhat ironically however, Moyes' results appear to be among the best of the PFF's (post-fergie-flops). FA Cup vistory aside (for which i'll always have a little place in my heart for LVG).
The winning mentality and sheer demanded proffesionalism has been eroded and in its place is a 'mock-big-club-we-are-winners' facade. And this is no surprise to me when essentially none of the heart of the club staff remains.
Since Mourinho's first day at United, he's had a strange humbled, yet 'can you smell shit?' look of puzzlement on his face. I think he's probably been told that in no uncertain terms will he drag the United 'proffessionlism and tradition' through the dirt with his outbursts - and in an attempt to still appear at the top table of football he has signed on the dotted line to their demands.
Problem is, his ego/personality already looks like its losing the dressing room. Would it really be a surprise is Rooney jogs off in January, United are out of all Cup competition and still chasing 6th place?
Nope.
There's no guarantee that any player you buy will fit right in and do the job required - but why keep buying players and leave them on the bench? At least have the courage of your convictions.
United look terrifed every time they attack in the final third - they appear to me to be so terrified of losing possession that they crumble and stagger. There's no movement, no creativity, no flair. Its much like watching England!
And there lies the rub, much like England, I think the fear of failure has gripped the club, gripped the players and is stiffling confidence.
Moments of brilliance from Rashford/Ibra/PP are not going to turn this team around.
And the answer? Good God I wouldnt like to be the one that tasked with finding that out. A sea change is the best I can come up with. Sign a man manager who is known for instilling belief, sign hungry young players, with humble attitudes that are desperate to prove themselves and would be genuinely proud to pull the shirt on and leave them to it.
The sight of half the squad laughing and joking, and swapping shirts with Chelski after thier humilation on Sunday made me feel certain that the hunger is not evident in this squad. Giggs hit the nail right on the head there.
West Ham Chelsea League Cup crowd trouble. If I were in charge, I think I'd leave the fighters locked in the stadium and let them kill each other. Problem solved.
Mourinho needed that. Still it was ManC's B team
Re the trouble at West Ham, my mate in the states just txt'd me "Are you Kenilworth Road in disguise"
Pretty depressing that this is still happening.
Sadly for genuine West Ham supporters, I can see them getting chucked out of the cup or docked points if this kind of thing happens again this season. And that nice new stadium will feel a very lonely place if they're playing behind closed doors.
Well they were just pretty comprehensively outplayed by Everton. Not many points above the relegation zone. And fans who think it's a good idea to wreck their own new stadium. Hmmmmmm
Another interesting weekends results. Another shocker for us with poor lonely Jose resorting to embarrassing, petulant schoolchild behaviour. It's not going well, to say the least
This should be a good match though.
This referee is favouring barca quite strongly, they don't need the help FFS!
Yep Arsenal fans - it's November time!! 😆
The referee was bottling it early on in the city barca game, barca should have had three yellows and city should have had a penalty befor barca scored. But once they did they were all over city, picking up every second ball with ease. Then when city got one back and in the last 5 mins of the half the situation was reversed, amazing what a difference a bit of belief can make.
celtic doing alright, gladbach no as good as at celtic park though, good goal they scored, though we were a bit slack defensively, 1-0 to them.
City need to just calm down a tad, Sterling could have got a second yellow then for holding onto the ball (even though he never deserved the first).
Well, what a cracking second half that was, and a deserved victory for city.
That was an absolute belter of a match! Fair play to city. Barca were all over 'em first half. That must have been some half time team talk from Pep
Just as well it lived up to billing. We were going to go and watch Rammy United play Tadcaster, but decided to watch this instead. Finished 3 all.
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1-1 each dembele penalty.
Showing some reasonable confidence away from home, good experience. still in with a chance. something to play for in the 5th game, mibbe even 6th.
Got too fancy Gladbach to get a point though, we need a win.
Quality comeback from the Gunners, capped by a wonderful goal.
Yep, good comeback. Good results tonight for the UK teams.
I'm just looking back at the predictions some of us made . 10 games in they are looking a little suspect. My favourite is Binners saying that " Pogba has really hit the ground running and it bodes well for the future . "
I still stand by my predictions
Oh and predictions
Arsenal
Man City
Utd
Spuds
Bournemouth to get top 10
Relegated
Sunderland
Swansea
Hull
But I would like to swap Utd for Liverpool please . Ta!
Didn't see any of it but fine result from City. The fans must be pinching themselves, Mesi scores first and City win 3-1 against Barca
Not sure why everyone is getting carried away by the city result. Barca aren't the force they were and if this was the proper European cup they would of lost 5-3 on aggregate...
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Not sure why everyone is getting carried away by the city result. Barca aren't the force they were and if this was the proper European cup they would of lost 5-3 on aggregate...
But it's no the European cup, it's 3 points.
Ye canny down play the beating of barca ffs. 😆
Great game and atmosphere at the Etihad last night. I was only mildly pissed off to discover that my car had been broken into!
Given that we won I can say this without bitterness but I really think that the competition is corrupt. The referee was so biased it was unbelievable. I was right in line with the trip on Raheem and it was obvious. The amount of dodgy fouls Barcelona get away with is staggering and it happens in every match.
It is particularly enjoyable listening to all the sad Manyoo fans and Jose's pet journos trying to belittle the result. It was Barca's B team etc. etc.
Thanks Pep and the team for a great night. I cannot wait for the Celtic game 🙂
But if it was the old format, Man City wouldn't have had to chase the game in Barcelona and might have settled for 2-0. But then Barca scoring first in the replay would have meant City needed 4 goals to go through, and they'd have been ripped to shreds in the last 15 minutes going all out.
If my aunt had bollocks.....
3 points and some self-belief. Priceless.
If it was the old format the only English team in it would have been Leicester and ManU wouldn't have won it with Fergie either.
Cletus congrats 🙂 ... given you are in Machester aren't you just glad when the car isn't broken into 😉
My favourite is Binners saying that " Pogba has really hit the ground running and it bodes well for the future . "
We've established some time ago that you wouldn't want to be putting money on my predictions 😉
At the moment we're going to struggle to make top four, to say the least. I was watching the City game last night and thinking that if it was us playing Barca, on present form, we'd be getting walloped!
Where's our OP Bongo these days? Has he done a runner?
I'm just looking back at the predictions some of us made
I find it amusing looking back at some of the things people say on all of the footie threads. You're doing well so far Howsyourdad1, very impressive. My tip for the top was Man Utd, before I realised Jose's special powers had deserted him! 😀
Yeah I'm surprised at Utd , thought they would be right up there . Of course it can all change in a few games , look at Chelsea now after we destroyed them. Thing is with Utd I can't see really what they can change ....
How long has Moyes got? Perhaps a return to Utd?
Odds on a Moyes return get shorter with every gash performance.
That own goal was a marvellous way for Inter to lose. The dirty cheats.
What a goal from Sow. I cannot believe how bad Manyoo are atm after spending so much.
I am almost starting to feel sorry for them 😆
same as LvG lots of possession and no penetration
Everything is always sideways and no one beats their man or even tries to take them on
we do look spectacularly ineffective still
We were absolutely awful tonight. Again! I fear that watching Jose's inevitable impending meltdown will make his departure from Chelski look dignified. It's like he's compressed his usual 2/3 year cycle into a few months
Their first goal was a bit special tonight though
We were absolutely awful tonight. I fear that watching Jose's inevitable impending meltdown will make his departure from Chelski look dignified. It's like he's compressed his usual 2/3 year cycle into a few months
I've seen it printed that in spite of his £10m salary he's struggling to find an apartment in Manchester and he's more than a little unhappy that he can't leave the Lowry Hotel, due to press invasions, for even a short walk and his family are happier in that there London.
Ed Woodward is a 100% bona fide shit stick.
I keep banging the drum, but it's all boiling down to confidence issues and mental fragility.
United are playing JUST LIKE England - talking the talk, possibly even convincing themselves that they are dead good - but when it comes to the crunch they do not have the true belief that they can outpass, outmaneuver, out sprint the opposition.
Casing point, look at Luke Shaw's performance last night (harsh, because he probably isn't match fit)- I don't think I saw him take a single touch. Every single ball he played was first time, and as a result he gave the ball away more than any player on the pitch.
Mourinho should be instilling belief, he should be reminding them why they were chosen to represent United at the highest tier of football, instead its these players that are literally scared of the ball.
It's abundantly clear to me that psychology plays an enormous part in football when it comes down to such fine margins at the top. Mourinhno appears to completely lack the humility and man management skills to drag this lot back up.
Head down the road to Anfield, and you see a man manager getting vastly more out of a team that were previously under-performing. He is convincing them of how good they are and what they can achieve - and they are responding. You can taste the feel good factor there - at United the taste is sour, with a hint of rancid.
There is a point to that but you also have to have the players on the pitch to deliver
i agree they are fragile but they also lack incision but they can retain poissesion whilst doing not much with it
We are very easy to sit deep against , whilst maintaining a defensive shape as we are never fast on the attack and then counter us because our defence is fragile- not least when we play wth two centre backs who are not really cente backs
i do agree that jose criticising them openly is odd- we played well but lacked some incision in the final third and were out done by two world class goals which were pretty much their only chances is a better comment, even if not wholly accurate, than saying we are shit, did not care and are mentally fragile.
they were never at fault for that first goal its just a great goal, they happen in football sometimes- same with the second one - which was never a foul he just fell over.
Heaping yet more pressure on them - claiming they dont care and dont perform -has never done england any good and it wont do Man U any good.
Jose does not seem to be the manager he once was.
Jose does not seem to be the manager he once was
I agree with that bit.
Watch the game again, and see how terrified Shaw was when passed the ball. The lack of incisiveness you mention is evident, for me it boils down to 2 things:
1) Lack of belief that as an individual, they are capable of making the incisive play - or moreover, fear of giving the ball away and resulting in thier potential mistake becomming the catalyst for the opposition scoring
2) Complete lack of leadership on the pitch, leading to effectively a bunch of rabbits in opposition headlights
The first goal, albeit audacious, followed a complete lack of pressing from the full backs - a lesson that should surely have been learned following the Chelsea result?
The 2nd goal - De Gea stepped to the right when the only place that ball could ever have passed him was to his left. He was also completely unsighted by the wall - which wasn't even required from that distance.
Taking away nothing from both finishes, they were almost freak goals in their execution. But United had a ridiculous amount of possession, and 1 shot on target..
I try my best not to bash managers, especially so early in their tenure - but its now 3 seasons of the same negativity. £300+ million and 3 managers later, nothing is changing.
Fingers crossed that Jose's class shines through after a season or so and several more transfer windows(!) - trouble is - I really cant see United finishing top 4, I think they may even struggle for top 6!
Can the United machine withstand such a lowly league position?
The main problem is lack of Viera's/Keanes/Scholes/Pirlo's available for purchase, and a lack of management able to handle such a big club.
Can Jose get them out of this? I don't think he can and it's just a matter of time before Utd are looking for a new manager