How did she come to leave the LibDems to join the Tories
Because she's a career politician, much like Johnson and trump.. They are not in it to do good work, they are in it for the money. Plain and simple.
Both were pro EU and very quickly changed tactics after the brexit vote.
We are talking about people with zero integrity here.
Truss is going to be brilliant as PM, we go from laughing stock with Boris to a Tory party crewed by Medusa as the UK plots it own course and sails off the edge of the world.
If this is what it takes to increase the votes for an independent Scotland then bring it on, I’m backing liz to **** things up so badly we’ll hopefully see Irish reunification and Scotland and Wales deciding to tell the Current UK government to “do one”
ernie - why not lighten up a little?
Can't be good for your (mental) health being so, apparently, intensely focussed on politics.
Why not talk to your fans/followers about...anything other than politics and/or politicians; what about...bikes!
That would be a novelty on a forum hosted by an off-road biking mag.
If this is what it takes to increase the votes for an independent Scotland then bring it on, I’m backing liz to **** things up so badly we’ll hopefully see Irish reunification and Scotland and Wales deciding to tell the Current UK government to “do one”
I totally understand the sentiment, but as I'm "English", that's a ****ing depressing and plausible view of it all. What kind of utter shithole would we become?
ernie – why not lighten up a little?
Can’t be good for your (mental) health being so, apparently, intensely focussed on politics.
Why not talk to your fans/followers about…anything other than politics and/or politicians; what about…bikes!
That would be a novelty on a forum hosted by an off-road biking mag.
You forgot to mention my free member status. You usually mention that when you want to veer off the subject.
You're more than welcome to move up here.
Because she’s a career politician, much like Johnson and trump
Well yes, but that doesn't mean that she is incapable of independent thought. In fact unshackled by ideology she is free to think independently, and what is likely to serve her best interests.
Why was Farage’s attack line one of ethnicity and nationality and not “don’t you just hate corporate types like Cameron and Blair”?
Farage did consistently attack the "elites" normally of a "London" extraction.
Whilst he did happily appeal to the racists I think you are being rather selective in what you remember about his broader attack lines.
ernie, I'm not veering off the subject but, as you've raised it, why do you not pay for the privilege of expounding your views?
You make no financial contribution to the current or future viability of STW.
Little doubt that, demonstrating proven parasitic behaviour, you and others will move onto another forum if/when your current FoC platform is no longer available.
Your views are tiresome, uninformative, repetitative and boring.
Other than that, you may have something to say.
Your views are tiresome, uninformative, repetitative and boring.
Well just ignore them in that case.
Specially posts that involve more than one paragraph and a bit of an effort to read. Why do you bother?
Don't kid yourself, your posts aren't worth reading.
Expressing views over multiple paragraphs - as you do - represent an inability to be concise and present a cogent argument.
I've waded through paragraphs of your verbiage and haven't got a clue about what you blather on about.
Not that anyone has the slightest interest but...in an attempt to understand what you're on about - 100 words to get your message across.
Windbags should always be ignored.
Why do you not pay for an STW membership?
Let me guess, you're nothing other than a free loader.
Yawn.
That's quite a reaction to me disagreeing with your claim that Liz Truss is incapable of independent thought.
Both were pro EU and very quickly changed tactics after the brexit vote.
We are talking about people with zero integrity here.
Exactly. I could understand why people may be on the fence with the Brexit vote and come down on one side or the other. However, after choosing remain after weighting it up I cannot see anyway in which someone would now change their mind based on Brexit being just as bad as was predicted. Surely you would just be even more remain that before now?
Why do you not pay for an STW membership?
Not aimed at me but will give my answer. Internet forums are free (in a way), so I use it for free and put up with the adverts (see it is not really free) just as any other forum.
Why do you think I should pay to use a forum full of adverts?
Sunak offering massive tax cuts by ... 2029!
(Fag packer calculation that's about worth approx 1500 on a 50k salary, and that's way way above most.) Utils busted through that in one year, currently.
And we know that they won't get to that tax cut just like the promised corp tax cut a few years ago.
These people shouldn't be in charge of a sand pit.
You're going to have to do a hell of a lot more before then. Was your education expensive?
Tories: offering a rubbish carrot at the very last minute. Desperate.
People are turning...
https://twitter.com/dontpayuk/status/1538280864232128512?t=WZ0Sd5UIvoRCgp4aBZXtsg&s=19
Neoliberalism very much on life-support.
However, after choosing remain after weighting it up I cannot see anyway in which someone would now change their mind based on Brexit being just as bad as was predicted. Surely you would just be even more remain that before now?
well that's it really isn't it?
since 2016 there have been no positives to come from brexit, no brexit bonuses, no control taken back, no unleashed potential
any brexit support from truss is cynical opportunism
(going from a lib dem campaigning to prevent motorway construction destroying unique wildlife habitat, to a tory currently backing a rollback of green promises, is any different)
it goes to show what sort of a politician she is
We are talking about people with zero integrity here.
That applies to some STW posters as well.
And Patel wants to throw more millions at France in the hope they’ll “do something” about migrants coming across the channel. This is weeks after it was revealed we’ve already paid Rwanda £120m for the immigrants we haven’t sent yet.
People can’t afford thier energy bills and yet again the Tories openly throw away taxpayers money at a whim, whilst promising fantasy savings. And again today it’s report we are the lowest on the table of countries proving relief on the fuel costs.
And Patel wants to throw more millions at France in the hope they’ll “do something” about migrants coming across the channel. This is weeks after it was revealed we’ve already paid Rwanda £120m for the immigrants we haven’t sent yet.
People can’t afford thier energy bills and yet again the Tories openly throw away taxpayers money at a whim, whilst promising fantasy savings. And again today it’s report we are the lowest on the table of countries proving relief on the fuel costs.
It's almost as if their core voters don't like foreigners and yet don't mind poorer people in their own country struggling to eat.
Neoliberalism very much on life-support
I always find it alarming when someone supposedly of the left celebrates the (predicted*) demise of something with the world 'liberal' in it. Similar to when they are celebrating the end of freedoms like freedom of movement. There are some dangerous people about and they're not all right wing.
*Predicted by themselves, naturally.
Neoliberalism very much on life-support.
I wish that was true. However with 3 major UK political parties representing approximately 85% of the popular vote completely committed to maintaining the neoliberal model that seems unlikely.
Failure doesn't seem to garrantee its demise - it has survived 3 major crisis in the last 40 years.
I always find it alarming when someone supposedly of the left celebrates the (predicted*) demise of something with the world ‘liberal’ in it. Similar to when they are celebrating the end of freedoms like freedom of movement. There are some dangerous people about and they’re not all right wing.
So you don't know what neoliberalism is then, but just assume it's good because it contains "liberal".
I'm more than aware of what it means, thank you very much.
Another condescending STWer - what a place this is.
– what a place this is.
Well you already knew what stw was like when you re-registered Danny.
Another condescending STWer – what a place this is.
I always find it alarming when someone supposedly of the left celebrates the (predicted*) demise of something with the world ‘liberal’ in it.
Quite
Similar to when they are celebrating the end of freedoms like freedom of movement. There are some dangerous people about and they’re not all right wing.
Danny did you get bored of the gardentiger name? I had an inkling yesterday it was you with your usual obsession with my views on brexit and now this. 😄
Well you already knew what stw was like when you re-registered Danny.
Aargh you beat me to it.
Utils busted through that in one year, currently.
There's barely a politician in this country outside those considered 'loony left' who have any comprehension of the level of support they're going to need to provide to people if they continue to allow 'the market' to set the price of utility bills. I'm now paying 500 quid a month and expect it to go up to 700-800 in october. If a household like mine on two well above average professional salaries is feeling the pinch then how the hell is everyone else going to survive it? This winter is going to see poverty on a scale not seen for a very long time. And when people can't feed their families or protect them from the cold, they turn to desperate measures.
Well you already knew what stw was like when you re-registered Danny.
Huh?
his is weeks after it was revealed we’ve already paid Rwanda £120m for the immigrants we haven’t sent yet.
And as its part of the trial process they only have capacity for 200.
So that little photo opportunity will cost £600,000 per guest.
Actually, I had heard some horror stories about this place before I registered - big hitters, witch hunts, stitch ups and cabals etc.
I resisted for a long time, but I've always respected the STW community for its knowledge on MTB-related matters.
I got dragged into the political stuff as I did what I swore I wouldn't - clicked on one - and saw the utter nonsense being spouted. I then swiftly broke my second promise to myself and engaged. Big mistake.
Non-political threads only for me from now on - you can't debate with idealogues, there is no debate to be had.
EDIT: I guess this is what an internet victory looks like (a defeat in my case) - pile ons, houndings, stitch ups until there are no dissenting voices left. And about five people left in here at the end. I'll leave you guys to enjoy your victory.
TTFN.
And as its part of the trial process they only have capacity for 200.
Dont forget part of it is that the UK has agreed to resettle "a portion of the must vulnerable refugees" from Rwanda.
Whilst it isnt clear how many that will be it does push the cost up further.
Still they got to look tough on immigration so thats worth the cash right?
Non-political threads only for me from now on – you can’t debate with idealogues, there is no debate to be had.
Bye Danny. Come back soon with another account. It's a fun game. 🙂
Don’t kid yourself, your posts aren’t worth reading.
I think they're worth reading.
https://www.ft.com/content/344f36bd-9b69-4594-8697-f66e6d4e00c1
This is imo a really interesting article about Liz Truss, for those whom the FT paywall isn't an issue.
Among the points the article makes it says that whilst Truss was a student and a member of the Liberal Democrats:
"Fellow activists from those years note she was always a classic liberal on economics, particularly on trade — not far removed from Thatcher’s own views."
The article also emphasises that she was brought up to hate Thatcher. And also that her rebellious anti-establishment attitude, not totally dissimilar to Thatcher, is part of her tory grassroots appeal.
I wish that was true. However with 3 major UK political parties representing approximately 85% of the popular vote completely committed to maintaining the neoliberal model that seems unlikely.
Failure doesn’t seem to garrantee its demise – it has survived 3 major crisis in the last 40 years.
They might support it but it's no longer supporting them.
I take your point but where is the market solution to the current problems ?
It's on life support and for sure they may keep it propped up for ages.
If it wasn't the government wouldn't be subsidising large elements currently.
I always find it alarming when someone supposedly of the left celebrates the (predicted*) demise of something with the world ‘liberal’ in it. Similar to when they are celebrating the end of freedoms like freedom of movement. There are some dangerous people about and they’re not all right wing
I'm celebrating nothing. Just observing. Your post is ridiculous, and you're ignorant of the current economic situation.
The danger you talk about is not from people like me pointing stuff out but from the establishment that doesn't really offer much for its struggling society in times of hardship.
Non-political threads only for me from now on – you can’t debate with idealogues, there is no debate to be had.
Sounds good.
I don't like to ad hom but I would've thought a man of integtrity would see fit to become a full member and be able to spell 'ideologue' but hey, what do I know?
And also that her rebellious anti-establishment attitude, not totally dissimilar to Thatcher, is part of her tory grassroots appeal.
It's equally depressing and ironic that the most anti-establishment political force in the UK, and the only people who seem to be questioning the neo-liberal status-quo, are the far right UKIP wing of the tory party. Of course they're not doing so out of any sympathy with working people, like all populists they're simply using the moral and political vacuum created by the pro-establishment labour right wing to acquire more power. Keir f***ing Starmer has a lot to answer for.
Neoliberalism very much on life-support.
A) I think the off switch has been flicked
B) I fear that the vacuum will be filed by something far worse
A) I think the off switch has been flicked
B) I fear that the vacuum will be filed by something far worse
Yes - this is something we will only be able to reflect on a few years from now when we can see the full extent of what is happening.
It’s equally depressing and ironic that the most anti-establishment political force in the UK, and the only people who seem to be questioning the neo-liberal status-quo, are the far right UKIP wing of the tory party.
What is most depressing of all imo is that Labour Party members overwhelmingly elected an anti-establishment leader and the Labour Party establishment rather than support him crushed him.
Ukip is now a spent force, Reform UK according to the polls is only on 3 or 4 percent. We haven't yet reached the point of widespread voter disillusionment with mainstream political parties.
If and when we reach that point it remains to be seen what fills the vacuum. The simplistic solutions of the far-right are always likely attract attention but in other countries similar to the UK where confidence in mainstream has collapsed the radical left has also made very significant advances.
No one can make political predictions in a volatile situation. But for me potentially the most interesting developments might occur in connection to the Labour Party.
The other week at Tolpuddle among the many banners I saw was a Islington North Labour Party one, boldly written on it was the words "Home of Jeremy Corbyn".
It occurred to me that as seems very likely Corbyn won't be allowed to stand as the Labour candidate next GE how many Labour Party members in Islington North will be prepared to work for a Starmer imposed candidate, and how many might decide to work for Corbyn if he decides to stand as an independent.
I wouldn't be in the least surprised if it turned out to be majority, which in effect would result in the mass expulsion of the Islington North branch. The repercussions could be huge imo quite possibly leading to rebellion among other LP branches.
I know nothing of the political situation within the Islington North Labour Party but I would be surprised if a Starmer imposed diktat was simply accepted lying down.
Do I or don't I.
Sod it.
https://twitter.com/LeftieStats/status/1554139397209182208?t=c0ph6EStmIcpVweuVzQFzA&s=19
This is what happens when you don't stand for anything. She might appear thick as mince to the casual viewer but actually she's got the conviction thing dialled.
I'd say she's been underestimated.
Starmer has spent his entire time as Leader of the Labour Party attacking Johnson's character. The problem for him is that soon Johnson will no longer be Prime Minister - his whole line of attack will cease to exist.
And currently Liz Truss's character is not a topic of public discussion
I don't know what Truss's plans for Downing Street wallpaper are but I reckon that Starmer might struggle to portray her as a particularly untrustworthy liar.
Made all the more difficult as Starmer himself has proved to be untrustworthy - no-one can be certain where he stands on anything, as he celebrates the virtues of "changing your views", or lying, as some people probably more correctly call it.
Starmer might need to attempt a different strategy with Truss and offer voters clear alternative policies and vision, something which I am not convinced he is capable of.
Mick Lynch has nailed Starmers problem..
His failure to define and express values, long before any policy is required he and the Labour Party need to set out its values and build policy out of that.
He also needs to forget about the brexit press, most people are seeing through that shit now.
Watching Truss on the hustings tonight. She sounds like a lefty Keynesian. Investment to boost growth, lower taxes in times of economic stress, balancing the books would be a bad thing, anti cuts. Christ she's even just used the example of the war and how we didn't try to balance the books after it. And then that topped off by refusing to repeal the ban on fox hunting. Right wing tory my arse! I've changed my mind, Starmer's going to have a major problem with her as PM.
Crazy isn't it!
She absolutely knows what to say. I will give Tories one thing they will modify their attitude to suit the times.
Starmer is regressing.
(Clearly Tories don't actually deliver on much though.)
