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Goran Kropp he was a true adventurer and hard as nails. Ironic that after all his epics he was killed on an easy climb.
For his famous 1996 ascent, Kropp left Jönköping on October 16, 1995, on a specially-designed bicycle with 108 kg (240 lb) of gear and food. He traveled 8,000 miles on the bicycle and arrived at Everest Base Camp in April 1996. Following a meeting of all of the Everest expeditions currently on the mountain, it was agreed that Kropp would attempt to summit first. On May 3, Kropp blazed a trail through thigh-deep snow and reached a point 300 feet from the summit. However, Kropp decided to turn around, believing that he would be too tired to descend safely if he went up further. While Kropp recovered from the ordeal at base camp, the 1996 Everest Disaster unfolded. Kropp helped bring medicine up the mountain. Three weeks later, on May 23, Kropp again tackled the mountain, this time successfully summitting (without extra oxygen support). He then cycled home
Did you hear Elton John's tribute song to Mother Theresa? Sandals in the Bin.
I've been inspired by:
Alberto Giacometti
Paul Foot
Dominic Behan
Maybe Hitchins was wrong but given the support and adulation she continues to receive around the world its strange that little of his claims have been refuted.
You seem to think that Hitchins is a person of some importance.
You seem to think that Hitchins is a person of some importance.
It wasnt me that brought him up.
you sort of give the game away.
What game?
She received millions by courting some of the worlds most detestable leaders and instead of using the money to help the poor it was diverted elsewhere
Evidence please. Or do you know something those investigative journalists don't (they couldn't find any proof either)? No claims have ever bin substantiated. So, no refutation necessary.
Her winning of the Nobel prize was a disgrace
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[/url]In 1982, at the height of the Siege of Beirut, Mother Teresa rescued 37 children trapped in a front line hospital by brokering a temporary cease-fire between the Israeli army and Palestinian guerrillas. Accompanied by Red Cross workers, she traveled through the war zone to the devastated hospital to evacuate the young patients.
I'm going to leave it there, as I really can't be bothered continuing a pointless argument. MT was a flawed, yet caring Human Being. Who dedicated her life to helping others. That's how I'll remember her, and try to take inspiration from the good works she did.
It wasnt me that brought him up.
Nothing wrong with bringing up Hitchens. Although I find the suggestion that he is of any consequence rather peculiar.
Although I find the suggestion that he is of any consequence rather peculiar.
I didnt suggest he was. I noticed that you got your knickers in a bunch on page one about the same subject, clearly he is not on your Christmas card list.
I'm going to leave it there, as I really can't be bothered continuing a pointless argument. MT was a flawed, yet caring Human Being. Who dedicated her life to helping others. That's how I'll remember her, and try to take inspiration from the good works she did.
If it inspires you Fred then more power to your elbow, I'll remember her as flawed but there you go.
Sean Kelly
My father - of similar stock to Kelly but rubbish on a bike (good at digging holes though :-))
I didnt suggest he was.
Ooo, I think you did.........[i]"its strange that little of his claims have been refuted"[/i]. Who gives a monkeys what Hitchens thinks ?
clearly he is not on your Christmas card list
No, he's not..........I think he's a tosser.
Ernie; can you get hold of some timber for cheap? Might need some advice on a little construction project I've thought of only a bit of furniture mind nowt mental like that bloke on Grand Designs with his Hexagonal wooden house mind you that's quite inspirational actually.
It's got a spiral staircase at the centre, what uses an 800-year old oakstump to support the whole thing. 😯
Somebody mentioned Hitchins and condemmed his book about Mother Theresa. I said
its strange that little of his claims have been refuted
and you seem to be claiming that I hold him in high regard. Whether I do or I dont I dont think the above bears that out, despite your impressive use of quotations.
The boys who flew on the Apollo missions, esp. 11 - Aldrin, Armstrong, Collins.
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If I feel inspiration coming on I go and have a lie down and wait for it to pass.
Ernie; can you get hold of some timber for cheap? Might need some advice on a little construction project I've thought of only a bit of furniture mind nowt mental like that bloke on Grand Designs with his Hexagonal wooden house mind you that's quite inspirational actually.It's got a spiral staircase at the centre, what uses an 800-year old oakstump to support the whole thing.
You want some cheap timber to build a spiral staircase round an 800-year old oakstump ? 😕
What's this gotta do with people who inspire you btw ?
Anyway, can't chat, suppose to be going out and I'm not ready......and I'm gonna get a bollocking 😐
I am my own inspiration, but I am also my own worst enemy!
Lance Armstrong. No, really. Cant say I like the fella though.
And a multitude of climbers. some famous, some not...
My real answer is Henry Bowers
The boys who flew on the Apollo missions, esp. 11 - Aldrin, Armstrong, Collins.
Yes especially Collins and to echo an earlier post Dominic Behan, absolute patriots, no games. Much respect to both those heroes
For Elfinsafety, who really should look before he leaps.
hmmmm, that Hitchens bloke makes my skin crawl in the special way I thought I'd reserved for Piers Morgan alone. He really is quite objectionable!
It would be indeed be pretty unprecedented in human history, if someone with an exceptionally high profile, who had achieved an enormous amount of good, and had made a real difference, were not to be vilified by some. It has always been the case that "do-gooders" are seen by some people as posing a threat to their own warped interests. It has always been the case that those who preach dangerous and challenging polemics such as "love your neighbour as you would yourself" should be publicly crucified.
It should surprise no one that someone such as Hitchens, who indisputably has his own agenda, should choose to vilify someone who claimed her life was motivated by a belief in "God". Hitchens is a hypocrite of unimaginable magnitude........a right-wing ultra-leftist, a Tory-loving Trot, an outspoken critic of Henry Kissinger, and yet an outspoken cheerleader of naked American Imperialism, and so the contradictions, inconsistencies, and hypocrisy, of the privileged pen-pushing waffler go on. Still, as some on here will argue, he "writes very well"......so that's OK then.
So, it's O.K. to provide a crowded, unhealthy environment for people who are dying and refuse them medical help unless it's inadequate medication from dirty syringes administered by ignorant and untrained nuns because the agenda is to hurry them along to "heaven"?
Presumably you're O.K. with the attempt to ban abortions and also contraception, as the Catholic Church does in Africa? Oh sorry, Ratzinger now says contraception is O.K. For prostitutes. Or something.
Also, the support for Reagan, the Duvaliers and Hoxha?
Have actually watch the video, or are you just using the subject to excercise your dislike of Hitchens?
Get a grip.
So, it's O.K. to provide a crowded, unhealthy environment for people who are dying and refuse them medical help unless it's inadequate medication from dirty syringes administered by ignorant and untrained nuns because the agenda is to hurry them along to "heaven"?
No it's not. Those who are dying should be provided care in modern well-equipped hospitals. What's your point Woppit.....that Mother Teresa should have led an insurrection to overthrow the Capitalist system so that a Socialist system which guarantees healthcare to everyone can be established in India ?
my inspiration is to inspire others.
I think to aspire to be ' the whole package' will lead to disappointments so need to think of achieving little bits of everyone and to impart a little bit of our own individual awesomnity into others and ourselves - does that make sense?
I guess what I am saying is that each and everyone of us has their own traits that others will admire and that in its own way is inspirational, but we must learn not to disappear up our own behinds
Ernie the point of the video, I would have thought, is obvious. The woman is revered for a lie. She didn't provide anything useful at all, unlike the thousands of unsung charity workers who do - Medecins sans Frontier, the Red Cross and so on. She just used the sick and dying to push the anti-human agenda of her church. All the money she raised by being friendly with dictators of various stripes went not to aiding sick, which we are led to believe was the reason for her sainthood, but to the establishment of more convents whose purpose was to push that same appalling agenda.
Have you actually watched the videos?
I get the feeling lately that you're not concerned with arguing an opinion or position, but just like to argue. So many of your posts contradict themselves that it becomes hardly worth the bother of paying them any attention, it seems to me.
Teresa died apostate and bitterly dissappointed in not having found her "christ", by the way...
lol, atheists mock someone because they demonstrate [u]normal [/u]human behaviour. 😆
No it's not. Those who are dying should be provided care in modern well-equipped hospitals. What's your point Woppit.
That she diverted countless millions away from providing just that modern medical care to the poor of Calcutta whilst benefiting from it herself in Switzerland when she became ill. Thats hypocrisy.
Mockery, where?
My wife is ace. She inspires me.
Is that "Petesgaff" changing his forum name?
How are you these days, Mark?
mark webb inspires me. He's awesome.
frankie boyle
the prawn
Woppit - I have watched the video link. As a piece of journalism, it was pitiful. Hyperbolic, one dimensional propaganda at best. If that's the only evidence you have to support your case then you'd have been better off sitting on it.
Whith which particular points that were made, do you disagree, and why?
Well I wasn't really taking notes but my main contention was the obviously biased agenda on which the narrative was delivered, the selectiveness of the evidence to support that agenda, the unnecessary vitriol in the delivery and a blatant lack of evidence of anything particularly untoward. As an envoy of the RC church, I'm not suprised that her views and mine would differ on abortion, as an envoy of the RC church, I'm not suprised that she rubbed shoulders with some despicable people on the world stage. Does any of that detract from her caring for crushingly poor and dying people, particularly before Muggeridge made her known ? Nope.
caring for crushingly poor and dying people
I thought that the original jumping off point was, that she didn't, whilst claiming that she did...
ack of evidence of anything particularly untoward
her views and mine would differ on abortion, as an envoy of the RC church, I'm not suprised that she rubbed shoulders with some despicable people on the world stage
bill gates to some degree
I thought that the original jumping off point was, that she didn't, whilst claiming that she did...
That would be just one area that this 'piece of jounalism' failed in then.
As for your other point, I don't see how pressing the flesh with the Haitian president means that she [i]didn't[/i] care for people in India.
Excellent propaganda from that Hitchens bloke though if it's made you make that leap.
Sorry, I think we either watched completely different videos, or we're living in different universes and this is just some sort of temporary appendix-like wormhole connection between the two.
Ah well...
I think it's more likely that we both just interpreted the 'evidence' through diferent filters.
Unlikely. We both saw a dingy hovel where dying people where denied any medical aid and untrained nuns administered inadequate medicines with dirty needles.
To me, that doesn't look like caring for the sick.
I don't know why it does, to you.
Well, i think the point has already been made on the thread that a different model of care based on a free for all, modernised health service would be preferred. If the point of the piece had been that Mother Theresa's work prohibited that from happening then I'd have been all for it.
It wasn't.
If the point of the piece had been that Mother Theresa's work prohibited that from happening then I'd have been all for it
Her "business" still receives 10's of millions of pounds per year and anecdotal evidence indicates none, if any has gone to the poor she claimed to be helping.
If you are saying that all of that is OK as long as it didnt "crowd out" alternative investment that would have provided care, if her "business" didnt exist, then I dont agree that is acceptable. Are you saying that she at best did little harm?
Hardly the CV of a Nobel prize winner.
(I may well be misinterpreting you)
I thought the point was that she claimed to care for the sick, when evidently no such thing was happening, but went on to use her new-found Muggeridge-enabled fame to cosy up to dictators and other monsters of that ilk and use the riches then gained to:
1: Set up more monasteries to further her dreadful business of maltreating the dying and spreading the miserable agenda of the horrible Catholic Pope, and
2: Pay for her own medical care in expensive Switzerland.