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Most of the points sadmadalan raises have been answered by the SNP or would have o be the subject of negotiation.
TJ - where can I see these answers? Had a look and can't find any answers - specifically I am after costs and who pays?
Seems like an interesting subject to chat about I noticed a couple of Jock riders post on here, I wonder what they think?We think you're an absolute arse for referring to us as "jocks"
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sadmadalan
Cost and who pays is going to have to be the subject of negotiation I think - You mean stuff like faslane?
Edit - the SNP website is rather thin on this - I have read stuff on it tho.
vorlich - Member
We think you're an absolute arse for referring to us as "jocks"+1
Well you're of course welcome to think that, but it doesn't stop me thinking of y'all as "jocks" which if I were going to be particularly impudent might prefix with the word 'tight' and suffixed by 'gits', but I'm not in this instance, but I just thought I'd let you know that for my personal ironic benefit.
I'm also mildly amused by your heightened sensitivity for attention seeking device.
I have however to ask the question why, when it is a common colloquialism, and not particularly malevolent, nothing wrong with the word Jock, particularly since large sections of an entire soon to be independent nation calls itself that or did last time I bothered to look. 😉
do you think of asians as ****s afro caribbean as darkies or is it just just Jocks you mock for their nationality ..perhaps you call very Irsih person Paddy..either way other terms are easily interchangeable unless you want to look like an insensitve arse into moderate racial mockery/sterotypes. I know you wont loose any sleep over it which is why I said nothing originally - revelling in people asking you not to do this is quite low...do yo uoften refer to epoel by name sthey dont like whilst being mildly amused by your heightened sensitivity for attention seeking device.
I didnt think is was racism if the people on the receiving end are the same race?...Scots and Irish are white north europeans, same as most English....is there such a thing as 'regionalism' as i think that would be more appropriate!
I find the whole artificially enhanced 'sensitivity' thing a complete joke to be honest and fools on the internet that propagate something they would't question in real life total hypocrisy.
I don't revel being in their company, either, there are plenty here who are not like that and probably don't post for fear of falling fowl of you PC bigots.
So do one eh?
I find the whole artificially enhanced 'sensitivity' thing a complete joke
What's that then?
Regionalist!
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Wunundred! 😀
Bastid - little sneaky southern basitid!
In the interests of regional abusive balance
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Scotland is minted. England is skint. We'll be just fine once we get rid of the dross.
I didnt think is was racism if the people on the receiving end are the same race?...
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Ah well - there goes what was a reasonable discussion.
derekrides - Member
Starting to flap a wee bit now, all you are doing is just digging yourself a deeper hole. And as for your fools on the internet quote. I would pull you up for it if you said that to me face to face. Nice touch you using the word bigot; oh the ironing!
Aye dave not even being at the table when they discuss stuff...the sort of power Scotland can only achiever via the Union
FFS has any Country /leader ever been more marginalised from Europe than dave has made us?He did this to protect his chums in the City.No offence but thats a very weak point you are making about influences there especially with qualified majority voting and the right to veto
Not really, just because the current government is anti-EU doesn't mean that the next one will be - and there's nothing to stop an anti-EU government being elected in an independent Scotland either.
(I'm avoiding the jock/****/whatever argument above!)
So, would the Queen keep Balmoral then?
Could the North of England not seak to become Scots, we would be free from rule from London and obtain Scotish rights of way.
willard - yes - SNP policy is to remain a constitutional monarchy
Mogrim - see my point abou the fishing negotiations - no representation from scotland,
So, would the Queen keep Balmoral then?
I'd imagine so. She owns it, after all. Unless Alex is planning on leaving the Commonwealth and launching a Robert Mugabe style land grab/ethnic cleansing campaign
So, Queen as head of state, separate country... That would mean that you would be independent, yet in the Commonwealth. So sporting event would not really change that much apart from the Olympics where you would field your own team right?
Could we not make fish quota negotiating an Olympic Sport? Perhaps a newly independent Scotland could up its ante to truly compete at international level with France and Spain?
Hang on a minute. I've just realised.... Its Fish Quota ignoring that France and Spain are world class at, isn't it? Which would suggest they're probably shite at fish quota negotiating
duckman - Member
derekrides - Member
Starting to flap a wee bit now,
Nope, surprised I'm still here tbh, expecting another ban at any second.
And it's urine, pee or piss, only jocks use the term 'wee'
and there's nothing to stop an anti-EU government being elected in an independent Scotland either.
yes but you note the elected bit and it still counters the point about Scotland having no influence in EU that it answered...they dont have any now elected govt they did not vote for who has annoyed everyone in europe...mm democracy in action .
and there's nothing to stop an anti-EU government being elected in an independent Scotland either.
Very unlikely tho ad the anti EU sentiment is not nearly so strong up here altho it does exist
Only solution is to make London a nice little Principality or similar where prosperity, diversity and culture run free and let the rest of the heathen, unkept trolls run around in the rest of the country.
Separate "Safe Zones" will be set-up in designated areas of oustanding natural beauty where the educated folk from London can spend their weekends partaking in outdoor activities free from the vile horribleness of the local population.
The national lottery could be adopted such that weekly one of the "others" from outside the magnificence of London could win the opportunity to come inside the golden gates and have a wash, haircut, trip to a museum and some sushi.
LHS....i like that, make it happen.
Scotland is minted. England is skint.
How d'you work that out then? 😕
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don simon - MemberI'd say give them independence on the single condition of enforced repatriation.
If you refer to two way repatriation then it's a deal. Too many Nigel's up here for my liking... 😉
yes but you note the elected bit and it still counters the point about Scotland having no influence in EU that it answered...they dont have any now elected govt they did not vote for who has annoyed everyone in europe...mm democracy in action .
Sorry, I've got no idea what your last "sentence" is on about.
I want to see a 100% complete and accurate list of what will be divvied up and how it will be divided up and what money is going where
e.g. Foreign Embassies and staff, fishing rights, everything the (current )country owns, all future purchases and PFI type deals that cvnt politicians of all parties have made and we are committed to, what happens about existing EU/Commowealth etc agreements and commitments, relocation of 'Govmt' institutions based in the 'countries' etc etc etc etc.
I'd also like a restriction in place so that once the vote is made there is a 100 year ban on the vote again.
slackin101 - Member
don simon - Member
I'd say give them independence on the single condition of enforced repatriation.If you refer to two way repatriation then it's a deal. Too many Nigel's up here for my liking...
[i]We think you're an absolute arse for referring to us as 'Nigels'[/i] 😉
Mogrim - see my point abou the fishing negotiations - no representation from scotland,
That's is because the fishing rights are discussed at an inter governmental level in the EU and Scotland is part of the UK - and the UK was represented.
If Scotland was an Independent nation, there is nothing to say that they would get any more quota than they do at the moment. The North Sea has been hugely over fished by everyone and needs time to recover. Current fishing technology means that fewer people will be involved. Affects other parts of the UK than just Scotland.
That's is because the fishing rights are discussed at an inter governmental level in the EU and Scotland is part of the UK - and the UK was represented.
And then traded with Spain for concessions over oil seed rape.Which suited the huge potential (never realised,the EU cut the grant soon after)for production in the south.But not the single biggest source employment in the North East of Scotland.Huge % unemployment created by the stroke of a pen.The fishing is rather a touchy subject,unlikely an independent Scottish government would not protect our interests a lot better than Westminster did.And the territorial waters of an indy Scotland would protect the main fishing areas.
And the territorial waters of an indy Scotland would protect the main fishing areas.
What with?
Don't think you're having any of our boats...
Hah there's a thought, what a job that would be Ambassador to Scotland.
The whole idea is a joke, if it were up to me we'd be considering restoring that Prima Nocte lark and awarding it appropriately to us deserving 'Nigels.'
Could I just applaud whoever added the 'ajockalypse now' tag!
Genius! 😆
I think you will find that they are ALL of our boats. I would be disappointed if the figure of £60+ billion as our share of the UK's didn't include a few pedaloes. 😀
if it were up to me we'd be considering restoring that Prima Nocte lark and awarding it appropriately to us deserving 'Nigels.'
Didn't actually ever exist,but carry on Mr Troll.
Sadmadalan - thats the point as duckman explains - Scottish interests were not represented in the fishing talks. the UK government did a deal that does not suit Scotland at all.
Hence an independent Scotland would be able to stick up for scottish interests - fishing is one key area where scottish interests have been traded away by a UK government
Quick definitive answer on the subject of tuition fees- assuming Scotland independant in the EU, they would no longer be able to charge ROUK students differently from Scottish students- in the same way that currently we're required to fund non-ROUK students in the same way as we do scottish students.
(if you assume a non-EU Scotland, then freedom to do whatever they want)
Gusamac - there has been a lot of work done on that but its complex. Take faslane for one example. Obviously the nuclear subs could not be removed overnight - so who pays for the bases in the interim? Does the rump UK pay a lease fee? Who pays for the clean up of the sites?
Dunno why this stuff is not on the SNP website as I know there is work beendone on it - I shall email them and ask
Let them go ahead. has long as they don't expect us to bail them out afterwards
Bloody shouldn't be charging students fees anyway;that's a disgrace. I can see why the Scottish Uni's are,They would be flooded with applicants if they didn't charge.But that needs to go all over the UK,not just up here.
I would have thought it was fairly obvious why it's not on the SNP's website uncle Jezza
A) they haven't got the remotest idea what the **** will happen in the real world!
B) they have. But it's a very very very long way from the cloud-cuckoo land utopian vision being described by [s]Willy[/s] [s]wonka[/s] Alex salmond