[Closed] So my daughter is freaking me out a bit, any advice please.

Ghosts don't exist. It's all bollocks and I can't believe any right-minded adult could think differently.

Kids... Let them imagine what they want...

johndoh - Member

Ghosts don't exist. It's all bollocks and I can't believe any right-minded adult could think differently.

Kids... Let them imagine what they want...

"If you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth."

Now argue against that logic to see how logical or rational you are.

Anything less and you are pseudo rational.

🙂

If it helps crankbrat aged 3 1/2 does something similar particularly in our bathroom where he goes into a trance and stares at one corner of the ceiling . He will tend to ignore anything said by way of concern or general inquiry but is easily brought out by specific conversation at 3 1/2 he can explain that his trance is him thinking about filling the bath till it goes as high as the ceiling all the water running under the door down the stairs and filling up to the letter box then out into the street. He very often has conversations or songs for himself and will either blank attempts to join in or simply say "I was talking to myself" quite angrily.
So in my sample of one no ghosts just imagination thought processes and learning to think creatively.

*may* be the truth. There is no 'yes' and 'no'.

But ghosts do not exist. If they did, after 600 million years of animal existence , we'd be over-run by now with the ****ers.

There's more chance of contacting the other side than making sense of chewkw's posts

My younger cousin (about four at the time) wanted to organise a birthday party for Ray when he comes over at the weekend. His parents called mine asking if it was my dads (Ray) birthday. Turns out he meant Ray from the Ghostbusters who was a regular in their house. He grew out of it.

However, I'd suggest your house is defo haunted 😉

But ghosts do not exist. If they did, after 600 million years of animal existence , we'd be over-run by now with the ****.

Rookie mistake. Not [i]everyone[/i] becomes a ghost; only those who died an orrible death. And well-known historical figures.

Op: when checking above the curtains for ghosts, also run a check for the following:

[*]Ghouls[/*]
[*]Specters[/*]
[*]Apparitions[/*]
[*]Wraiths[/*]
[*]Phantoms[/*]
[*]Those eyeball things out of DOOM[/*]

crankboy - Member

He very often has conversations or songs for himself and will either blank attempts to join in or simply say "I was talking to myself" quite angrily.

He is talking to himself as he said. 🙄

johndoh - Member

*may* be the truth. There is no 'yes' and 'no'.

But ghosts do not exist. If they did, after 600 million years of animal existence , we'd be over-run by now with the ****.

That is not a logical nor rational answer. You are being emotional there. 😯

Spin - Member

There's more chance of contacting the other side than making sense of chewkw's posts

How does the probability work? Chance = luck? That's illogical. See! Told you! 😆

jambourgie - Member
Rookie mistake. Not everyone becomes a ghost; only those who died an orrible death. And well-known historical figures.

This I cannot explain coz there are many type of ghosts and I do not know the conditions that lead them to remain ...

Damn! This thread is haunted! 🙄

I'm with chewkw on this

Whyyy youuu!

Mods! Help! Help!

Some ghosts just hacked this thread/page!

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If you eliminate the impossible etc

You suggest chewkw that there's no rational argument against that but there is.

Say you have 3 explanations for a phenomenon, a,b and c. a and b turn out to be impossible so it must be c however improbable it might seem.

That only holds if your initial set of 3 explanations was exhaustive. What if there was d,e and f which never even ocurred to you?

chewkw - Member

Only if they are playing with toys otherwise kids would be bored stiff if they talk to curtain or wall. They only imagine when they are playing or just finished playing with toys or friends but certainly not out of the blue.

Sorry Chekw, would disagree with that statement. For a child at two years old their grasp of what is reality and fantasy is still very fragile, and as such one commonly spills into the other.

 

It's right here Ray, it's looking at me...

It's [i]probably[/i] Soren Lorensen

But if not you're in big trouble

Good luck 🙂

Spin - Member
That only holds if your initial set of 3 explanations was exhaustive. What if there was d,e and f which never even ocurred to you?

[u]Now you are being emotional aren't you?[/u] 🙄

mekkenolly - Member

Sorry Chekw, would disagree with that statement. For a child at two years old their grasp of what is reality and fantasy is still very fragile, and as such one commonly spills into the other.

[u]Hence, they cannot differentiate between what they see so assume it is as it is.[/u]

stevestunts - Member

It's right here Ray, it's looking at me...

Only if they are playing with toys otherwise kids would be bored stiff if they talk to curtain or wall. They only imagine when they are playing or just finished playing with toys or friends but certainly not out of the blue.

So either your daughters on prison grade amateur pharmaceuticals, or Chewkw is.

Tough one that. I'm really torn 50/50.

It's the girl isn't it?

What's gone wrong with this thread? Looks all weird. Is it just me, or is it... ghosts?

[ ] CountZero - Member
I can happily sit staring at nothing for extended periods of time, doing nothing, letting my imagination have full reign.
I have a very vivid imagination... [ ]

I have not come across kids under 5 i.e. not baby or infant, that stare at the curtain talking to themselves.

Can you actually remember the things you did before you were 5?

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[ ] jambourgie - Member

What's gone wrong with this thread? Looks all weird. Is it just me, or is it... ghosts? [ ]

The logic is that someone is emotional hence hacked the page. 😆

[ ] timidwheeler - Member

Tough one that. I'm really torn 50/50.

It's the girl isn't it? [ ]

That's illogical by assuming the little girl is on some sort of drugs and even more emotional by making up some sort of possibility.

You call yourself a man of science? You cannot even handle the logic of science without being emotional or do you think it is logical to be emotional? hhhmmmm ... 😆

Not really following you Chekw. just wanted to reassure the op that his child's behaviour was not particularly unusual or anything to be alarmed at. Your suggesting that it is?

"Only if they are playing with toys otherwise kids would be bored stiff if they talk to curtain or wall. They only imagine when they are playing or just finished playing with toys or friends but certainly not out of the blue"

Sorry, but I strongly disagree with that. Infants' brains are awash with trillions of connection between neurons(2/3 times as many as the adult brain)The ones that stay are strengthened by repetition(learning etc)They simply don't have the experience or capability to make a distinction between what is or isn't play at that age.

" mekkenolly - Member

Not really following you Chekw. just wanted to reassure the op that his child's behaviour was not particularly unusual or anything to be alarmed at. Your suggesting that it is?"

What I am saying is the child is perfectly normal and seeing things at that age is normal too. The child is Not crazy just because s/he sees something.

"Sorry, but I strongly disagree with that. Infants' brains are awash with trillions of connection between neurons(2/3 times as many as the adult brain)The ones that stay are strengthened by repetition(learning etc)They simply don't have the experience or capability to make a distinction between what is or isn't play at that age."

But I doubt they would lie at that age, imagining things yes and seeing things also yes ... like you say their neurons are more than adults.

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She seems ok

I think that's the key point. It doesn't much matter whether there is a ghost there, whether you are communicating with her from a four-dimensional space that you will enter as a result of travelling through a wormhole in the future, or whether she's just talking to herself because she's two, as long as she seems OK. But I'd call a priest as soon as she doesn't.

🙂

My nephew had an imaginary friend called Uncle Gary. He would talk to him for hours, and apparently Uncle Gary loved to take him to bed at night.

Ooh, this just came up in "Reflections on the dawn of consciousness" which I'm reading at the mo' (it's a follow up to "The origin of consciousness in the breakdown of the bicameral mind"). It's just an "imaginary friend" as we call it now, or more accurately (if you believe Jaynes) a throwback to bicameralism which is totally normal in a preconscious child that has developed language skills - as she develops true introspective consciousness the voice will simply fade.

Chekew
"He is talking to himself as he said. "
no shit Sherlock!

Ghosts 😆

Where are all the cavemen, roman, viking etc ghosts?

Still, it's another good marker of the level of proof some people require for their opinions.

crankboy - Member

Chekew
"He is talking to himself as he said. "
no shit Sherlock!

Do you have any alternative explanation beyond that is known Mr Watson old boy? 🙄

Lifer - Member

Ghosts

Where are all the cavemen, roman, viking etc ghosts?

Some there, some moved on but that is my view.

Still, it's another good marker of the level of proof some people require for their opinions.

Yes, there need to be proof but sometimes events happen in front of the person yet the person cannot understand them.

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Where are all the cavemen, roman, viking etc ghosts?

In caves, roman villas and viking longhouses?

Can't explain it so...ghosts.

No thanks.

I do enjoy ghost stories though. Some stuff on /r/nosleep is properly heckles up time.

Where are all the cavemen, roman, viking etc ghosts?

On Stane Street, the old Roman Road running from London down to Chichester, at night, you can hear the footsteps of the ghosts of the Roman legionairres as they partol up and down.

Well, they say you can - all i've ever heard is the sound of me panting as i try and do that section through Leatherhead and boxhill as fast as possible to avoid the ghosts.

Your reasoning is the dog is high on drugs coz it's an ex-prison dog ...

Try to observe if it howls again and note the time and place.

No, it's definately because he's fallen off his trolley, he doesn't even respond to his own name.

He's also scared by/barks at:

leaves
anything that floats
his own wind

molgrips - Member
In caves, roman villas and viking longhouses?

I don't know but those are possible assumptions.

Lifer - Member

Can't explain it so...ghosts.

No thanks.

I do enjoy ghost stories though. Some stuff on /r/nosleep is properly heckles up time.

Not all events are due to ghosts coz that's simply illogical. The events or the scenarios as described on this thread I would say is possible.

theotherjonv - Member
On Stane Street, the old Roman Road running from London down to Chichester, at night, you can hear the footsteps of the ghosts of the Roman legionairres as they partol up and down.

That's interesting because most people will not hear them.

thisisnotaspoon - Member

No, it's definately because he's fallen off his trolley, he doesn't even respond to his own name.

He's also scared by/barks at:

leaves
anything that floats
his own wind

Perhaps that's the character or perhaps the dog is old as some dogs can be considered old at certain age for that particular breed etc ... you just need to observe.

My kids do this kind of thing and we live in a new build house. It's just kids, trust me - not ghosts.

Teadrinker's new bike

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molgrips - Member

My kids do this kind of thing and we live in a new build house. It's just kids, trust me - not ghosts.

If it's just a random occurrence that's that no big deal.

I mean you just have to apply your scientific views to investigate if you find something unusual or suspicious.

chewkw - Member
Not all events are due to ghosts coz that's simply illogical. The events or the scenarios as described on this thread I would say is possible.

Yeah because [i]that's[/i] really logical 😆

Lifer - Member
Yeah because that's really logical

Yes, it's logical because it happened repeatedly albeit with small sample size unique to that event/location.

The case of the "old lady" at the corner room happened several times so the only possible assumption is a paranormal activity because the alternative explanation is not possible. i.e. poisoned by the house due to fungus releasing gas/spore, chemical reaction etc.

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fasthaggis - Member

Teadrinker's new bike

That's a random association due to the model of the bike and perhaps the colour ... 😛

[b][i]"If you eliminate the impossible,[/b] whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth."[/i]

Said it yourself way back there.

If it's only curtains don't worry. It could be worse. She could be blind.

Me and the missus where pushing Li'l J around v large local cemetery.
We're not goths or'out , it's just quiet. 🙂
He woke up all of a sudden and said " A smiley lady was talking to me"
Cue mucho panic from the missus re ghosts...Nearly everyday, a smiley lady stops to admire him .
She still thinks its a ghost.Ha.
Should I be worried?

I used to do a similar thing when I was 2 - 3. The curtains in the lounge had a pattern on it. It was very 70's browns, golds and dark reds with diamond shapes.

When the curtains were closed the 2 half diamonds at the top of each curtain came together to make another sort of contorted diamond.

This was called 'The Tick' and I was terrified of it. I would not leave the far wall of the lounge when the curtains were closed and was convinced it has an evil agenda. My folks got pretty freaked out too. It took a while for them to get me to tell them what 'The Tick' was. I couldn't even talk about it at first.

I am not mental to the best of my knowledge, and I don't believe in ghosts either. I did used to have a very vivid imagination though.

The case of the "old lady" at the corner room happened several times so the only possible assumption is a paranormal activity because the alternative explanation is not possible

Did you look really really hard for an alternative explanation?

nickc - Member

"If you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth."
Said it yourself way back there.

The question is are you able to eliminate all the impossible? If not then how do you reach [u]your[/u] truth? If yes then what impossibilities have you eliminated?

What methodology do you apply to eliminate the impossibilities? I would like to hear your logic.

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BigJohn - Member

... She could be blind.

That is illogical because unless the family has a genetic defect that is not a probability.

senor j - Member
She still thinks its a ghost.Ha.
Should I be worried?

No, unless little senor j keep repeating the same event happening again in your house with the same smiley lady.

Jef Wachowchow - Member

I am not mental to the best of my knowledge, and I don't believe in ghosts either. I did used to have a very vivid imagination though.

You don't know at that time because you were a kid and, my assumption is nobody told you to be afraid but yet you were afraid, yet reacted with fear. So why were you afraid of the pattern?

For me as a kid I was hallucinating due to high fever ...