How much are you prepared to pay/sacrifice for Indyref2 and loss of EU subsidies etc????
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Confused by the question 😳
How nuch are you prepared to pay for loss of EU membership and a second Indy Ref ?
First thing we are all getting by 2019 and it's beneficial. Second will never happen with approval of Westminster to make it legally binding again, ever.
SNP & Brexit
I'd happily forego one for the sake of losing the other.
First thing we are all getting by 2019 and it's beneficial. Second will never happen with approval of Westminster to make it legally binding again, ever.
I've mentioned before that it's a tad unfair that UK can leave the EU but Westminster won't allow Scotland to leave the union based on the will of the people. Hypocritical to the last.
I demand a second referendum, or a recount or simply to ignore the current muppetry.
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Captain they had a 2 year campaign and a Referendum. It's not like a lads golf weekend where you get a Mulligan if you FU
Captain they had a 2 year campaign and a Referendum. It's not like a lads golf weekend where you get a Mulligan if you FU
Confused by the (non) answer. 😳
Mulligan in golf is where you get the shot again if you make a dogs breakfast of the first go, lads weekend sort of rule
Did this really need another thread? 🙄
Mulligan in golf is where you get the shot again if you make a dogs breakfast of the first go, lads weekend sort of rule
Patronise who?
Still don't see what that has to do with england wanting to have a say in Scotland leaving and what I believe would have been a block by Westminster if Scotland had vioted yes.
£350 million per week
Nobeerinthefridge - Member
Did this really need another thread?
Needs another forum.
Needs an alternative universe.
Personally? I would like to see a referendum on scottish independence inabout 18 months time. By then the disaster of leaving the EU will become even more obvious and by doing it on that timescale scotland becomes the successor state when the UK leaves the EU
Despite what allthe unionists would have you believe this is a perfectly possible scenario as many senoir EU politicians have said
My overall preference tho would be for all the idiotic politicians to shut up, the UK to stay in the EU and a proper constitutional convention to create a federal UK
However that not going to happen so an independent scotland remaining in the EU is the best I am going to get.
TJ how much in £ or € 😉
Captain, was just answering what I thought was your question. They had in Alex Salmond's words a "once in a lifetime" Referendum and voted No
Not been a single actual answer yet. Will leave you all to it, don't want to interfere with the thread.
Thing is leaving the EU won't be a disaster, it'll be a bit different and might have a few downsides but it won't be a disaster.
Tell that to the families who might not be able to live together because one of them is an EU citizen.
Dragon - its already as disaster falling pound, companies pulling out and its going to get much much worse
Jamba - as an independent scotland in Europe will be much better off that remaining in the UK but out of Europe there is no cost.
all those banks will relocate to Edinburgh rather than frankfurt.
Tell that to the families who might not be able to live together because one of them is an EU citizen.
Much as you wish it were true, because it confirms your bias, I find it almost impossible to believe that families will be split up because of EU nationality. There are plenty of non-EU families that live here; I know three in my small locality alone. There's paperwork involved that isn't required at the moment, but it's hardly packing them onto ferries and toasting their departure back to their homeland.
Source: I used to be a passport stamper for the Immigration & Nationality Directorate.
CFH - if you think these threads go round and round on here you should see the lions threads on the rugby forum I am on.
Depends if they earn over the £35k threshold. It's already splitting up non-EU couples.
Flying ox. If all the EU nationals here at the moment apply for right to stay ( whatever its called) it will take over a thousand years to process them - and May has said they will need new ID cards to show they have continuance rights!
Which of course means ID cards for everyone - "Yes officer, I'm a UK citizen, honest!" "Prove it."
Are the too related?
C'mon Captain, cant you make some stuff up about Wales so that we can have an new record? Don't you guys want to be spanked by Schauble?
Serious question, will the EU want an independent Scotland? If yes why? I thought they all sent wee Jimmy Cranky home with her tail between her legs?
Serious question
wee Jimmy Cranky
If you're going to pretend to be an impartial questioner, maybe lay off the misogyny?
Anyhow, of course they want us, we're a relatively wealthy democracy with loads of natural resources, huge renewables potential, world class universities, lots of manufacturing, and an open and welcoming attitude to EU migrants.
all those banks will relocate to Edinburgh rather than frankfurt.
For that you'll need a very large central bank (see mess in Iceland with large banks and small state) and a regulator with sufficient experienced staff. None of Paris, Frankfurt or Dublin have that (esp regulatory side). If you recall AS / SNP said no central bank was required, it wasn't in the plan. If the UK could have offloaded Royal Bank of Scotland and Halifax Bank of Scotland we would have gladly done so and would still be glad to in RBS's case
That wasn't misogynistic Bencooper that was called taking the piss! I can't help it I think she's a spiteful creature.
Anyway I understand that Scotland has oil but the price is low. The Scottish oil industry is struggling. Doesn't it need to be over $1 a barrel to make the maths add up for Scotland?
I don't think the EU would want Scotland, not straight away anyway, surely they would want to see how the economy went being independent.
This would all take time, years, maybe a decade and by then the way things are going the EU could be finished anyhow.
A bit of a non thread really thinking about it.
mitsui - lots of senior EU politicians have said the scenario of iScotland being the successor state when England and Wales leave is no problem at all.
Scotland is EU compliant, and it would be a big eff u to England
Even the spanish objection is much less as it sets no precedent for Catalonia and spain wants access to our fishing grounds.
If only the Argualympians had already gone over this ad infinitum, eh? Just imagine, if these same points had already been covered again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again and again, and again and again, and again and again, and again and again, and again and again, and again and again, and again and again, and again and again, and again and again, and again and again, and again and again, and again and again, and again and again, and again and again, and again and again, and again and again, and again and again, and again and again, and again and again, and again and again, and again. WHEN WILL IT EVER END!
Flashy has it. Go to the eu thread, or the indyref thread, and stop polluting the forum with more melodrama.
CFH - come join the Lions threads on the rugby forum I am on - much worse than this.
A few people being inconvenienced and having to do some paperwork isn't my idea of a disaster. As for companies pulling out it doesn't appear to be happening at present.
Pound falling isn't a disaster, we have a floating currency for a reason. A fixed currency would be a disaster.
all those banks will relocate to Edinburgh rather than frankfurt.
No they won't, SNP tax policies will be a disincentive, not to mention Scotland can't support a large banking industry of the scale of London's
lots of senior EU politicians have said the scenario of iScotland being the successor state when England and Wales leave is no problem at all.
How many? Who? And will they be still in post in a couple of years time?
mitsumonkey - Member
That wasn't misogynistic Bencooper that was called taking the piss! I can't help it I think she's a spiteful creature...
Care to give an actual example?
However that's not going to happen so an independent Scotland remaining in the EU is the best I am going to get.
You keep going with this line, I'm not sure why.
Scotland cannot remain an EU member state because it is not an EU member state.
This is simple fact.
Look at any list of EU member states, Scotland is not one of them.
[url= https://europa.eu/european-union/about-eu/countries/member-countries_en ]Here, have a look on me.[/url]
Splitting with the UK would result in Scotland being a new entity, which would not be a member of the EU.
It's all in the treaties, readily available to the public on line.
Why not read them?
Unless [Junkyard] you're just a troll?[/Junkyard]
There's a simple solution of course - for England (and Wales if they want to) to leave the UK. England gets the independence from the EU it wants, it gets rid of us freeloading Scots, job done. The rest of the UK gets to carry on as an EU state, which is what we want.
What's wrong with this plan? I don't mean "that's stupid" objections, I mean what are the actual, legal, practical objections to this plan? Because it makes a lot of sense to me.
How long have you been a member sbob? 😉
Re the idea that the big banks would up sticks to Edinburgh and noting already the obvious responses as to why that wouldn't happen, there was some good advice posted on the EU thread for people struggling with what's going on
If you actually knew the slightest thing about scottish politics you would stop with the nonsense. Perhaps a little listening and learning might help you understand a little more and stop you making such ridiculous assertions
Wise words, wise words indeed.... 😉
gordimhor - Member
£350 million per week
$110 a barrel
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What's wrong with this plan? I don't mean "that's stupid" objections, I mean what are the actual, legal, practical objections to this plan? Because it makes a lot of sense to me.
1 - most Scots don't want it
2 - Scotland would inherit treaty obligations and the countries on the other end of those treaties wouldn't really like such a large change, therefore such a move wouldn't be recognised internationally (call it unlawful if you like). It isn't a solely domestic issue. If 90% of the country "leaves" then really it hasn't and it's actually the 10% that has left.
The whole successor state thing was done to death. It can't happen.
If you are speaking in the narrow context of the EU, anything is possible by treaty change (the SNP's preferred method of joining) but the EU have been consistently clear that the route to membership would be the standard application route. Given how many different states need to agree and the variety of politics involved, nothing unusual would happen in practice. We'd be accepted, but on standard terms (probably quite quickly though, in comparison to other countries because we meet most but not all of the requirements already).
1 - most Scots don't want it
Pah, details.......
Most Scots do want EU membership. About 45% want independence. If the latter is the only way to get the former, then it gets interesting.
grumpy - plenty of senior and influential EU politicians have said there is no issue at all with Scotlands continuing membership if they Scotland gets an independence vote before the UK leaves. Not reported in the unionist press tho of course.
tjagain - MemberScotland's continuing membership
Scotland is not an EU member state.
Check this list of EU member states; Scotland isn't on it:
https://europa.eu/european-union/about-eu/countries/member-countries_en
Here's another list of EU countries but it's all on one page, just in case you thought Scotland was hiding somewhere!
Naughty Scotland!
https://europa.eu/european-union/about-eu/countries_en
You may also make note of the comments about joining the EU.
Here's a third list of EU member states just in case you didn't like the first two, and I'm afraid Scotland still isn't making an appearance 🙁 :
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Member_state_of_the_European_Union
