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so does itt matter with the bought "wife" if I treat her well afterwards just like with kids? You are refusing to answer as you want to apply a different rule to each situation- unless you are ok with people trafficing /slavery which I very much doubt you are. Take that one as rhetorical 😉
PS all life is change every generation thinks that the next one is worse than them because it is different.
For example attitudes towards homosexuality have varied from being widely practicised - Alexander had male lovers for example, to villified/illegal to tolerated like now. Forty years ago it was crime as this view changed to legal, to open, to civil partnership I am sure that many if previous generation thought it was worse. I am not sure it is worse just different. Change is inevitable except in the human psyche.
Thanks emma, on here I'm a lover not a fighter, however out there... 😯
C_G it was a substitute, or it was the thing that ciggies substituted in the first place. I'm totally comitted again. I'll set the target of no smoking until next winter solstice, and by that point can't imagine I'll want to renege on the healthy lifestyle.
I wonder what this does to evolution?
Is this the start of a future where humans can only breed and reproduce with medical intervention?
All those children born via IVF - some will be carrying genes that mean they in turn will require IVF to reproduce. Now EJ is producing a child using a surrogate mother and presumably some kind of IVF process. Will this child have the same need? Others like it?
So we'll end up with a humanity which cannot breed except with the help of doctors. What a gift for unscrupulous governments. Where does it end? Or am I just being paranoid?
TSY - you're just full of bad habits aren't you? 😉
OK, take control, you're in charge. You were doing so well and the addiction of nicotine will diminish. Have your tastebuds appreciated this? How about your sense of smell?
You [b]can[/b] do it!
All those children born via IVF - some will be carrying genes that mean they in turn will require IVF to reproduce
I very much doubt that infertitlity rates are any higher in IVF babies than in the general population - any data to support that?
yes you are paranoid it is a long way from this story to unscrupolous government controlled fecundity
Lol, thanks C_G. I have a rediculously addictive personality, who'd've thought?
I've just got to go back through the whole 1 hour, 2 hour, 2 days thing. It's a habitual addiction more than an addiction to nicotine itself. Now I can occupy myself with making irreverent or irrelevant comments on here I'm sure I'll be fine!
Interesting tangent you're going off on there TSY & C_G ~ should smokers be allowed to adopt? 😯
{mods - Is it late enough for me to post a video of Elton John off of Bo Selecta? It was broadcast on Ch4 originally but some might find it offensive?}
TSY - you've done it once now do it again. Now ... I read the article in the latest mag about Trans Provence - WOW 😯 You must go for it and, as special dispensation/reward for stopping smoking, you get to buy a new bike. 8)
And, no, we really don't want any offensive stuff on here. 🙄
psling - hmmmm, difficult one. What do you think? And are you a smoker?
psling - hmmmm, difficult one. What do you think? And are you a smoker?
Why is it 'a difficult one'?
if you smoke you cannot adopt a child under 5 years of age
Ex smoker. Interestingly enough I gave up when my 2nd daughter arrived nearly 24 years ago. Given how much of an issue smoking in the presence of children (and adults for that matter) is these days I wouldn't be surprised if it is on the list of questions for potential adopters.
With regard to the whole adoption/surrogacy thing the rules/laws are created by groups of people that have to take into account their own judgements which will affect the lives of other people. We can all agree that children have to be protected from certain things eg potential paedofilia, history of violence, etc., but other things are based on moral or idealogical opinion, hence some of the opinions expressed on here. Some people will always disagree with some of the decisions made; as long as that disagreement is expressed in an inoffensive way then it is good to express opinion. IMO 😉
if you smoke you cannot adopt a child under 5 years of age
What? Seriously? For real??? 😯
Why is it 'a difficult one'?
Possibly because being a smoker is potentially harmful to a child but you could be a suitable and loving 'parent' in all other ways?
if you smoke you cannot adopt a child under 5 years of age
I wonder on what criteria an arbitrary age of 5 years was chosen. I mean, if it is deemed to be unsuitable for a child of 4 years to be adopted by a smoker then does it become suitable for a child of 5 years? Interesting one? [even 'difficult one' 😉 ]
yes but it could be a guidline/best practice or law not sure which tbh
Is there not a demand v's supply element?
With more people wanting to adopt a new born, than are available for adoption, they can place a more stringent criteria on applicants?
With more people wanting to adopt a new born, than are available for adoption, they can place a more stringent criteria on applicants?
Unless they are incredibly rich or famous in which case they can 'buy' a baby? 8)
*touches nose with one hand, points at psling with the other*
Possibly because being a smoker is potentially harmful to a child but you could be a suitable and loving 'parent' in all other ways?
So, you can drive them around in a car, which 'potentially' could end up in a fatal accident, you can drink, which could 'potentially' lead to mistakes/errors of judgement, etc etc etc, but you can't have a crafty puff? What if you don't smoke inside when kids are there? My parents smoked in the house when I was a nipper, and I grew up perfectly healthy. Bloody Nanny State deciding 'What's Best' for people all the bloody time.
Ridiculous.
I find it fascinating how some folk seem to think their values somehow trump others, without really having any decent or fully valid reasons why.
Anyway Twundred but I'm to upset now to enjoy it. 😥
Why do you want 200? 201 means I'm at the top of this page^^
You can't adopt if you're a smoker?
http://www.dhsspsni.gov.uk/adoption_domestic_faqs
[b]I smoke, will I be able to adopt?[/b]
<snip>
However, the use of criteria whose application is in reality to ban people who smoke from adopting is not appropriate.
Don't care. Too upset.
You're not upset, just flouncing.
I find it fascinating how some folk seem to think their values somehow trump others, without really having any decent or fully valid reasons why.
I see what you've done there 🙄 😆
I had to stop smoking as part of the adoption process, kept it up for about six months then like an idiot started again. I understand, to a degree, where social services are coming from, but at the time I was less than happy with the situation, insofar as I never smoked in the house, and would never dream of smoking in front of the kids, yet was still made to feel like an irresponsible baby murdering nazi. Anyway, five years later, I'm still smoking, and to be honest, with a five year old and a seven year old running amok out of their heads on too much chocolate and an overdose of doctor who action figures, it's a wonder I'm not on crack. 😀
Mr Mitch you want to get yourself to one of Phil's Sexy Parties!
If I can find a tramp or someone even less suitable to look after the boys, I'm there!
Which begs the question, does someone who allows their children to eat chocolate and have Dr Who inaction figures be allowed to adopt... 😈
Bring 'em along, free crack for all... 8)
barnsleymitch - Member
I had to stop smoking as part of my adoption process, kept it up for about six months then like an idiot started again. I understand, to a degree, where social services are coming from, but at the time I was less than happy with the situation, insofar as I never smoked in the house, and would never dream of smoking in front of the adults, yet was still made to feel like an irresponsible roadie murdering nazi. Anyway, five years later, I'm still smoking, and to be honest, with a thirty five year old and a thirty seven year old running amok out of their heads on too much xtr and an overdose of doctor who action figures, it's a wonder I'm not on crack.Posted 10 hours ago #
There fixed it for you 😀
My parents smoked in the house when I was a nipper, and I grew up perfectly healthy
who knew you were immune to the ffects if inhaling those nasty products in smoke - perhaps you should donate your body to medical science.
Personally I dont see how smoking actually affects your ability to parent well [ex smoker] and given the outcomes of LAC [ looked after children] almost nothing could be worse than what the state provides - lowest exam results, highest crime rates, suicides - some trully tragic outcomes for LAC statistically.
Couldnt agree more junkyard. I'm not trying to say that smoking is a healthy option, and as I already stated, I have never smoked in front of my kids (or anyone elses, for that matter), but compared to the backgrounds some of the kids are from, having the occasional ciggie is pretty insignificant in comparison.
If I can find a tramp or someone even less suitable to look after the boys
Local priest?
Indeed there is. The more I learn of you on here BM the greater the respect I have for you.
Woppit do you never tire of religous digs? Really rather boring now - oh yes thanks for the pithy insulting reply to this as well it was dull as well.
I'd thought about that mr woppit, just need to buy a can of 'priest be gone' spray and were all sorted...
Science to the rescue! 😆
Edit: 63 is far too old to be a father.
No it's not. It may not be your choice but don't seek to force that on other people. We have family experience of this and it's working just fine (being a fit sexagenarian is going to be a better father than a fat badly fed twenty-something).
Statistically elton will live to see him turn 10 the 20 something may see great grandchildren
The fat, badly fed twenty something may well live to see great grandchildren, what input will he have to his children's lives though. Physical activity is a large part of the under 10 years in children which the un-fit will struggle with.
With the right children the 20 something may even see great great grandchildren, with pregnancy possible for modern 12 year olds 🙄
Messiah on a singlespeed, is this still going?!
63 is far too old to be a father.
Rod Stewart's 65 and got kid number 8 on the way, following his third marriage and numerous relationships. I'd say that should ring more warning bells than Elton's situation, yet strangely I can't find the thread on that...
I'd say that should ring more warning bells
Why?
ask your mother , he'll know
mr potatohead - Member
ask your mother , he'll know
Unfortunately I can't as she's dead (my mother was female, although I can't speak for your own experience, of course).
However, I do find that the argument that Elton's child (and Rodney the Modney's children) will somehow have their lives blighted because of the likely outcome being that their fathers will die early on in their children's lives, compared to the norm, to be specious in the extreme.
Financial security is the best foundation for a good start in life and the best insurance for a secure life to proceed.
Many have had their lives as children damaged, often beyond repair, by abusive and/or poverty-stricken parents who nevertheless die when their children reach middle-age or beyond.
The only reason this thread was started (and subsequently supported by some) is homophobia, plain and simple.