[Closed] scotlands new drinking laws

rienforcing the idea that drink is only bought by the lower classes.

Well I'm not sure what class the old guys on the streets drinking super strength lager while they shout at lampposts are. Or the social standing of the kids necking Bucky down the park and getting into fights. But it does seem that [u]public[/u] problem drinking is more prevalent in poorer areas.

(not to say that the middle classes don't also have drink problems - but they are more likely to be contained at home or in a wine bar)

The main problem with the new taxes is that strong drinks which alcys don't generally touch are also hit (Dutch beers, port, some wine)

I cant seem to find too much info about the actual rules.

I seem to remember it was a "minimun price per unit" was originally discussed, but having had competition law drummed into me at work, setting a minimum price to a retailer is actually illegal. If a retailer chooses to sell at a loss, that is fine. The likes of Apple and other big companies can get away with it by choosing its retailer carefully, if they happen to sell for cheaper than the rrp, they may lose the rights to sell.

All I can see is the withdrawal of discounts on bulk buying and special offers - which is a bit different from the original idea.

Anyway - will it actually do anything? Probably not.

A step back for Mr Salmond - but he is still up in my book.

I can't see it having any effect on "problems". If there's one consideration that enters the minds of the guys getting pished and causing trouble on the streets then I suspect it certainly is not the cost of the drink.

It's the usual thing, bring in a law that only penalises the "innocent".

MAP is but another stealth tax, soon to happen elswhere in the UK. Also today the sale of cigarettes via vending machine is illegal. When do we tell govts of all parties to get the **** out of our lives?

I personally dont see it making that much difference. Generally these bulk discount deals are from supermarkets, which are generally bought by reasonable innocent folk.

Personal experience to me says that the majority of antisocial drink related problems generally come from whats been bought at local shops in residential areas where you are less likely to get the bulk discount deals.

When do we tell govts of all parties to get the **** out of our lives?

Maybe you would like the NHS scrapped, schools scrapped, in fact shall we just get rid of all government and just have a free for all. Wouldn't that be lovely we don't need roads being looked after, private enterprise is a wonderful thing, the free market is always right and i am sure that if i need something the free market will make sure it is available at a fair price..

You seem to have the wrong end of the stick. What business of the state's is it how much people pay for their alcohol or how they buy their cigarettes?

its their business when they have to pick up the left-overs of the consequences of the drink and cigs ( be it anti-social / domestic incidents driven by drink, or health issues attributable to cigs / drink )

...which of course only affect the lower classes, not the middle and upper classes who can afford whatever the MAP is...

Well you can't get a case discount on wine any more, and "buy 2 save £10" on malts, so it will change things for me.

If you're going at antisocial behaviour then I think minimum pricing would make a difference. I'm thinking things like £9 vodka and whisky, cheap superstrength lager and £4 bottles of 3l cider all of which were readily available here (or were yesterday). And probably a ban on caffienated alcoholic drinks. And maybe even ban offsales to under 21s after 5pm or something.

30 litres of cider get drunk by one man every week or so at the back door. I await a tailing off in discarded bottles with interest.

A mate told me that one of the local breweries could no longer sell individual bottles because of the new laws? Have I (or they) massively understood?

What business of the state's is it how much people pay for their alcohol or how they buy their cigarettes?

Lefty Answer: the state has a duty to look after its citizens.

Righty Answer: fags and booze lead to poor health which costs the state lots of money.

I think its along the lines of not being allowed to sell bulk items at a discount if they already sell the item at an individual level.

So in the past, they would sell a crate of beer at a discount price, and the individual cans at a higher price ... they cant do that now ... the unit price per item has to be the same across all that they sell.

thats how i understand it.

I agree with the comment that its the 3litre bottles of cider, buckie and cheap shite thats the cause of the bulk of issues, not the tesco deals.

what this will likely mean is that the supermarkets will mark down the unit item price on some products, whether sold individually or crate etc.

It's not just meant target anti-social public disorders, it's also to help with domestic violence and disorder, hence the bulk buying thing.

Personally I think it will make **** all difference, people I see who are guilty of such offences won't be put off by a few pounds onto their carry outs, maybe just make them angrier, or take more (cheaper) drugs!.

Oh, while your on, you still up for a ride at Fairlie, Donald?.

Won't this just be a new business opportunity for the black market? Booze cruise to england anyone?

Orange Crush - Member

I can't see it having any effect on "problems". If there's one consideration that enters the minds of the guys getting pished and causing trouble on the streets then I suspect it certainly is not the cost of the drink.

It's the usual thing, bring in a law that only penalises the "innocent".

Pish. It will make no difference to the vast majority as they don't get drunk on cheap booze.

I think it will make a significant difference. working witht eh police the problem drunks would spend as much money as they had on the cheapest way of getting drunk - frosty jacks was a favourite. With a higher price they will not be able to buy as much.

Just popped into Tesco.

Zero deals on anything. No beer deals and all wine was full price with no reductions 🙁

J, I'll see your pish and raise you a pish.

Frosty jacks drinkers will still be out their tits tonight, whatever.

Just popped into Tesco.

Zero deals on anything. No beer deals and all wine was full price with no reductions

I was in the Co-op in Prestwick today, and the big bottles of Cobra/Sanny McGill etc are cheaper, instead of their usual 3 for a fiver nonsense.

Prob still more expensive than the big boys though, tesc, asda etc.

Nobeerinthefridge

maybe a little less oot their face perhaps as they will run out of money sooner

maybe a little less oot their face perhaps as they will run out of money sooner

TJ, They'll always get a hold of it.

Something has to be done though, I remember when I was 17 (I was quite a late drinker where I lived!) and buying a load of beer for all the parties over the festive period, and most places were selling beer at the equivalent of 50p a beer, or thereabouts.

Fast forward 19 years, and the supermarket bulk buys are still about the same price!. Yes, this is for the ubiqutous 'council lager' (tennents) but it is generally the choice of the neds.

I remember hearing that ciggy sales are up?!

I certainly think its worth trying.

many children will eat less food because of this

jumpupanddown. Nope - It will make no differnce there at all I am sure

jumpupanddown. Nope - It will make no differnce there at all I am sure

Jumupanddown, sadly, you are right.

many children will eat less food because of this

Cool, that will help with the obesity epidemic too then 😈

TandemJeremy - Member

Pish. It will make no difference to the vast majority as they don't get drunk on cheap booze.

It'll make a difference to me as I'll pay more for drink, and why should I?

I agree that something has to be done, I think a minimum price would have been the way to go, get rid of the high strengh cheap cider and lagers.

Surely this can only be a good thing, no?

I mean, that the English economy will undoubtedly be boosted by hordes of Scots coming down to buy up loads of cheap booze, that's brilliant, isn't it?

A surprisingly (un)predictable response from Fred.

Never mind, we'll keep all the neds, junkies and alkies up here, but as a reward, we'll also keep all the good biking. Good deal?.

You toddle along, ride on the M25 or something.

Actually I wasn't far from the M25 today, funnily enough, at Swinley.

And it was great fun. Proper enjoyed it. 😀

Glad you enjoyed it. Sweet. 🙂