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Storm in a teacup.
Storm in a teacup.
Do you think it is essential for everyone to observe the lock down rules?
Absolute disgrace the chief medical officer of a country breaking there own rules, she needs to stand down but It wont happen in Scotland.
She will be stepping back from public speaking but there could be no stronger way of emphasising the seriousness of her own advice this than she resign from her role.
… immediately after Prince Charles does the same
She can go right after Charlie, but not before.
Local police have had a word with her, probably just Hello.
Rumour has it she was visiting the Local 5G mast just to make sure nobody had switched it on.
Why won't it happen in Scotland superscale?
I thought Sturgeons answer was pretty good. Something we are now used to here - politicians with detailed and nuanced answers and not policy by kneejerk
<emThere will be the cleaners and the people running the corner shop etc
Nah, they just drive in from Elie and Pittenweem.
Why I dont think it would happen in Scotland because the politicians will most likely support her and for sure Sturgeon said we all make mistakes - Ok. lol
Superscale - what knowledge do you have of Scottish politics? Do you live up here?
Super scale 20 has a point wherever he lives, the ex finance secretary although suspended is probably still getting full pay and perks as he is under medical supervision so he doesn't lose his gold plated pension
what knowledge do you have of Scottish politics? Do you live up here?
No I live in London in the week, Yorkshire on weekend. My knowledge of Scottish Politics I read whats in the media like most people.
TJ I dont think the reaction comes under the term 'knee jerk'. Its such a blatant disregard of a key part of the strategy that I don't think there is any coming back.
If she stays, it sends out completely the wrong message and will be used whenever there us an attempt at enforcement.
kcr
Do you think it is essential for everyone to observe the lock down rules?
It's a manufactured controversy. She was stupid, but this was nowhere near as bad as Prince Charles travelling to his holiday home while actually suffering from the disease.
When Prince Charles also gets a reprimand from the Scottish police, I'll agree with you.
When the photographer who tailed her to get the photo also gets a reprimand from the Scottish police, I'll agree with you.
Meanwhile the entire UK cabinet is not exactly innocent in this regard either, yet there's no outrage there either.
So manufactured storm in a teacup, yes.
So manufactured storm in a teacup, yes.
I'll ask the same question.
Do you think it is essential for everyone to observe the lock down rules?
It was not manufactured. She was caught red handed. As for Prince Charles, that was also indefensible.
The point about Charles is that firstly, he isn’t the person who has been put in front of the public to represent the honest, expert & informed side of the government’s response to this. Additionally he didn’t go to Balmoral in secret: it was widely reported he was there which implies he didn’t think he was doing anything wrong (ok I know). Whereas she absolutely knew it was wrong & did it anyway. I think it’s a real setback to fighting the virus in Scotland.
kcr
I’ll ask the same question.
Do you think it is essential for everyone to observe the lock down rules?
Did you miss the bit where I said she was stupid to do it?
So none then Superscale - its pretty obvious.
I am not defending her at all. ~What I am saying is I thought Sturgeons press conference nuanced and she avoided a knee jerk reaction.
its bad politcss from the medical bod tho - thats for sure
imnotverygood
The point about Charles is that firstly, he isn’t the person who has been put in front of the public to represent the honest, expert & informed side of the government’s response to this.
He's even worse because he took a whole retinue with him, then apparently had a team flown to him to do the test, and a bed especially reserved for him in case it was needed.
The royals purportedly are supposed to be an example to the rest of us, but of course their shit don't stink, so it's ok, is it?.
As epicclo says - where is the outrage over westminster actually ignoring the rules as Johnson did, catching it and spreading it around?
There is no harm done here - just stupidity exposed.
Once again its something being used as a stick to beat Sturgeon with.
Anyone in any doubt at all about what should happen here needs to watch the very first 5 minutes of The Thick of It.
It's nothing to do with blaming Nicola Sturgeon it's the blatant obvious disregard to us that are following the rules
When the photographer who tailed her to get the photo also gets a reprimand from the Scottish police, I’ll agree with you.
True Scottish politics, stop the free press for reporting facts! Not sure if even Hungary has gone that far yet.
Like Johnson, Hancock, sundry other Westminster politicos, Johnsons dad, prince Charles and his retinue, etc etc - all of whom have directly caused harm - whereas this has not.
Do the comparison.
She is bound to be extra upset because she probably filled the freezer ready for the Easter weekend
whereas this has not
How do you know? Were you there?
Big and daft - so its OK for the press to break the rules in your book?
Now come on - where is the outrage about Johnson and the rest of the plague marys in cabinet who flaunted the guidance and actually spread the disease around? where is the outrage about Charles who knowing he had symptoms moved himself and his retinue into a small rural community?
Has she gone yet?
For any Chief Medical Officer or anyone who is supposedly more in the know than the commoners, does it not create a flicker of doubt in the official line?
big>n_daft
True Scottish politics, stop the free press for reporting facts! Not sure if even Hungary has gone that far yet.
So a qualified medic who understands the risks cannot decide her actions under the guidance (not rules), but it's ok for a member of the press tailing her to ignore them? Sounds like Yoon logic.
I really hope the photographer carrying out this 'public service' gets their collar felt too.
tbh I'm not even convinced the story is currently in the public interest (no issue with dealing with after the current lock down).
Nice to see the Sun fearlessly exposing hypocrisy though. I'm hoping they turn their new found reporting expertise to funding in the NHS over last 10 years or suspected Russian involvement in Brexit or similar...
As the Chief Medical Bod, she should a) know the rules, b) know she has to set an example, c) know they apply to her. Appalling behaviour and an appalling example to set, I don't see how she can stay on with any credibility.
Soon I reckon
For any Chief Medical Officer or anyone who is supposedly more in the know than the commoners, does it not create a flicker of doubt in the official line?
Johnson? Hancock? where is the outrage over them spreading the virus around westminster by flouting the rules and at the same time denying the staff there any protection or allowing them to leave the building?
any of you putting the boot in care to address why you didn't on this aspect?
The reality here is that this is about outcomes. Other than making plebs and journos feel powerful, do you want to decapitate the Scottish public health service in the middle of a crisis which changes multiple times within a day?
Let her stay and sack her after it all calms.
Folk won't feel so righteous about her going to the Neuk when they're burying their ma
Like Johnson, Hancock, sundry other Westminster politicos, Johnsons dad, prince Charles and his retinue, etc etc – all of whom have directly caused harm – whereas this has not.
Do the comparison.
I don't even see the purpose of bringing these other people up other than trying to excuse the cmo's behaviour through schoolyard-esque "But, but he did it first sir". Each case considered on their own merits and in this case, the top person, figurehead and public face of the fight against coronavirus in Scotland blatantly went against her own guidance potentially undermining governments ability to tackle the crisis.
For the outraged, here's some more for you (from FB)...
EDIT: may be old pic, Can't find original.
Jesus wept.
There are some people on here who clearly cannot countenace the idea that Scotland can do things worse than down south.
The reason she was put up to speak to the public was because she is not a politician. aka Someone You Can Trust.
The health minister in New Zealand was caught driving to a bike ride. He got a ticking off and remains in post.
imnotverygood
There are some people on here who clearly cannot countenace the idea that Scotland can do things worse than down south.
No. There's people on here wondering why there's one rule for anyone connected with the independence movement and another for the rest of the political world.
It's guidance, not law. Personal judgement and discretion is what you are supposed to use.
Ummm. So you see this as just an attempt to belittle Scottish Independence. Really?
For the outraged, here’s some more for you…
Is that kosher? There's no date on it, I can't find it on any credible source. Seems a very odd thing to break the rules and then post it on twitter using your MSP "work" account.
Personally, I'd not be taking any action of any kind against the CMO until the 'medical aspects' of this crisis are more or less over.
Is the CMO connected to Scottish Independence? I've no idea on her views in that regard. I just thought she was likely the best person for that job and was appointed on merit.