I never implied that if you haven't done well it is due to lack of hard work
I'm admittedly not very bright (I wasn't lucky enough to be, unfortunately), but that is [i]exactly[/i] what you implied. Actually, you pretty much stated it. Repeatedly.
What's it like, being you?
binners - MemberI'm admittedly not very bright
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Although Binners, you are now a journo for one of the UK's premier bike mags - was that luck or hard work on your part, and do you consider yourself to be successful?
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Unlike bernard I avoid hard work like the plague. Though this has had a consistently detrimental effect on my luck. Actually.... he may have a point after all. Curses!
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Go on then binners where did I imply that?
I don't think I mentioned anyone's situation other than my own
Unfortunately I can play much today much I have things to do
Now see, I'm not very bright and on a scale of 1-10 with 10 being red eyeballs work ethic I work about er, 7? I rely on a bit of luck.
I invested in Gold once and made £2.5k in six weeks. That was lucky. However, the Lottery has cost me more than I've won.
nwilko , your spot on.I'm with you on this one.I work with couple's that say. I'm lucky that I can afford my wife to work parttime.there is no luck,do you think my wife's likes cleaning offices five daysa week at four hrs every evening.we put our children first, we are not a two car family don'thave expensive phones,sky tv.our holiday coming up its 10days in the new forest.yet those who say my wife can't afford to pack up ,.have two cars two iPhones -one is even paying £110 month for sky, other spending £ 2500 on a holiday abroad.my children break up today and my wife wil be with them every day.then go to her cleaning job.rant over.
[b]Woooohooooooooooooo[/b]
Someone else has come along to tell us how ****ing great they are, and loftily pontificate on how much better (and morally admirable) their life choices are than everyone elses!
Oh goody! Do go on.......
The OP was, perfectly reasonably, after some advice. Not repeated lectures from the moral high ground of the Daily Mail corner 🙄
Coxy17 - What difference does any of that make to my OP, which is about organising our time in the School holiday period?
Why have people entered into lifestyle bashing on this thread?
Edit: Ah, realisation has dawned - as a family we I need to be a real man and force my wife to give up her career and take up meneal work, and my kids to expect less from life.
Well, thanks for that sparkle of advice, I'm choosing not to take it.
Because parenthood is about suffering, clearly. If you're not consumed with bitterness at the rest of society, you're doing it wrong 😉
Damn me to hell for enjoying myself working, at the expense of a higher quality of life for me children!
Hold on though - is this leading to the fact that leaving work and going on benefits is the best form of parenting - ie get paid enough, yet be at home all day?
Because parenthood is about suffering, clearly. If you're not consumed with bitterness at the rest of society, you're doing it wrong
Reminds me of when my brother went to his GP saying he had symptoms of depression (this was about a year after their first son was born). The GP said, it's not depression, it's called being a Parent - but the symptoms can be very similar. Give it 20 years and it will clear up of it's own accord.
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binners still waiting for you to prove where I have done anything other than describe how we got to our situation ...you seem to be a balanced person I will admit it is lucky you have a chip on both shoulders.
Hello Mr Pot, meet Mr Kettle......
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Bored now....
As I imagine I'd have more luck* explaining the nature of your posts to my desk, than getting you to realise why some statements come across as [s]patronising, pompous, preachy, self-righteous, arrogant, and self-aggrandising[/s] controversial
* See what I did there?
binners still waiting for you to prove where I have done anything other than describe how we got to our situation ...you seem to be a balanced person I will admit it is lucky you have a chip on both shoulders.
Does your head get cold?
here is ransos to join in right on cue maybe you can help binners out
the measure of that success is purely your own measure of what you consider sucess
Indeed.
I never implied that if you haven't done well it is due to lack of hard work
You may not have intended to imply that, but you definitely did. Perhaps if you worked a little harder on your language skills...?
You said:
I disagree I think if you work hard you can succeed
So IF everyone can succeed if they work hard, then logically those who have not succeeded have not worked hard.
So IF everyone can succeed if they work hard, then logically those who have not succeeded have not worked hard.
did i say everyone?
bernard, I've never seen goalposts move on their own, so I'm guessing you've worked very hard and are being successful at moving them every few posts.
Biscuits anyone?
Bernard - another 50 posts and this be my biggest ever STW thread.
As you were.... 😉
Kryton, how do you feel about starting this thread now? 🙂
here is ransos to join in right on cue maybe you can help binners out
I think it's pretty clear who needs the help round here.
How did you get to such a lofty station in life with such poor communication skills?
did i say everyone
Well in English, generally, we use the word 'you' in a non specific context meaning anyone. So I assumed you meant 'anyone'. If you mean me specifically, then yes I can succeed if I work hard (although how you'd know that about me, I dunno). For the purposes of text-based communication you may find it easier to be more explcit. Something like this: "I believe you, molgrips, can succeed if you work hard."
However, if you believe that SOME peope can succeed if they work hard, and some cannot, then what's the difference between those who can and cannot?
molgrips - like i said i cant play much today, however I have enjoyed debating 'luck' with you.
I prefer to beleive that we are in our situation through hard work and planning and not 'random chance'. I have never said i havent had 'luck', I have never held up my own situation as a success nor have I 'implied' that if you deemed someone elses situation as not a success it is down to not working hard enough. I have tried to keep the discussion about my situation not other peoples. I would prefer my kids to grow up beleiving that if you work hard and plan rather than leave it to 'random chance' you can be successful (how ever you chose to measure that. I think to say for example my wifes 'sucess' is down in part to 'random chance' belittles the work she put in to acheive her measure of 'sucess'
You may disagree with this and that is your choice, you may interpret it in a different way to how I intend it to be interpreted that is unfortunate and maybe in part down to my language skills.
I prefer to beleive that we are in our situation through hard work and planning and not 'random chance'
False dichotomy.
How did you get to such a lofty station in life with such poor communication skills?
Luck obviously
I prefer to beleive that we are in our situation through hard work and planning and not 'random chance'. I have never said i havent had 'luck'
Luck and random chance are the same thing.
It is not belittling your wife's hard work to say that luck is involved. Of course it's not. I acknowledged in the first place that you need hard work AND luck. But we're all fortunate to be born in a stable prosperous country with good opportunities for most people, and not born to die of malnutrition aged 3 or be chopped up by machete-wielding militias.
You need to remember that, and be thankful for it. Sorry to be didactic about it but I do feel strongly.
But we're all fortunate to be born in a stable prosperous country with good opportunities for most people, and not born to die of malnutrition aged 3 or be chopped up by machete-wielding militias.
Yes, and within that stable, prosperous country, I was born to parents who wanted me and provided a secure home, cared about my welfare and education, and supported me through university. Without that background, it's very unlikely I would find myself in my current, comfortable situation.
If that's not luck, I don't know what is.
Yes, and within that stable, prosperous country, I was born to parents who wanted me and provided a secure home, cared about my welfare and education, and supported me through university. Without that background, it's very unlikely I would find myself in my current, comfortable situation.If that's not luck, I don't know what is.
Did your parents make a 'choice' to live in this country or leave it to random chance?
Summed up perfectly ransos! Just some of the many pieces of good fortune we all encounter on a daily basis. Call it luck, if you believe it exists, of course.
Though some have the good grace to acknowledge it, with a quiet thank you to God/Allah/Karma/The cosmos/the tooth fairy, and others think that its all down to their own undisputed, grandiose genius, boundless talent, and faultless decision making. And all these people seem to consider it an almost religious, evangelical mission to let the rest of the world know that if only we were all just, well.... just more like them........
I've met a thousand of the latter. Unfortunately. Now I've encountered one more 🙄
Summed up perfectly ransos! Just some of the many pieces of good fortune we all encounter on a daily basis. Call it luck, if you believe it exists, of course.Though some have the good grace to acknowledge it, with a quiet thank you to God/Allah/Karma/The cosmos/the tooth fairy, and others think that its all down to their own undisputed, grandiose genius, boundless talent, and faultless decision making. And all these people seem to consider it an almost religious, evangelical mission to let the rest of the world know that if only we were all more like them........
I've met a thousand of the latter. Unfortunately. Now I've encountered one more
Lucky you
Did your parents make a 'choice' to live in this country or leave it to random chance?
What about my grandparents? And my great grandparents - don't forget those.
deadlydarcy - Member
Kryton, how do you feel about starting this thread now?
Quite proud so far. I'm wondering if there's a possiblity it'll make it into the classics before it gets locked..... 😉
Late to this but...
Lady Gresley - Member
cinnamon_girl - Member
My adult kids know full well that if they have kids then the last person they would ask to babysit would be me. After all, I do have a bike to ride!+1
First world problem - parents want kids, but don't want to give up doing what they want to do, and have to look after their own kids. Not a dig at OP, just modern day parents in general
It's a first world problem because we make it one. Perhaps by caring more for grandchildren, you may build a relationship where taking an interest and putting effort into your wellbeing when you are older may be important to them. ..? Isn't life about caring for one another...?
Summed up perfectly ransos! Just some of the many pieces of good fortune we all encounter on a daily basis. Call it luck, if you believe it exists, of course.
Thanks. You only have to look at the life prospects for children taken into care to see how it could all be so very different.
jamj1974 - Member
Late to this but...Lady Gresley - Member
cinnamon_girl - Member
My adult kids know full well that if they have kids then the last person they would ask to babysit would be me. After all, I do have a bike to ride!
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First world problem - parents want kids, but don't want to give up doing what they want to do, and have to look after their own kids. Not a dig at OP, just modern day parents in general
Not true. 40 years ago, my parents worked 5 jobs between them and I rarely saw my father until the age of 7-8*. My kids see me twice a day every working day, and my wife spends two working days a week with them. We share many activities over the weekend - and we have one job each. My kids are far better off in that respect than I was. Yes one of us could give up work yet we'd be poorer for it in all respects. I'd like to feel that we have achieved a balance which gives my kids more opportunity than I ever had tbh.
*Its possible thats this is why I don't have a relationship with my parents now - go figure.
Did your parents make a 'choice' to live in this country or leave it to random chance?
Mine didn't. Pure chance.
Ranson .... binners anything else to say before I tootle off, feel free to resort to insults it would appear to be the mainstay of your posts.
feel free to resort to insults it would appear to be the mainstay of your posts.
No thanks, I'm trying to achieve 205 posts on here....
176 - Page 6
It's only through hard graft that we'll get this onto 205 for the OP.
It's a first world problem because we make it one. Perhaps by caring more for grandchildren, you may build a relationship where taking an interest and putting effort into your wellbeing when you are older may be important to them. ..? Isn't life about caring for one another...?
Bollox. Am happy to build a relationship, one that excludes having grandkids dumped on me and being used.
I would suggest that you folk open your eyes and realise that 'mature' people are having a ball ie travelling the world, holidays, interests such as riding a bike. The days of a 'small world' mentality that revolves only around family is well and truly over.
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feel free to resort to insults it would appear to be the mainstay of your posts.
If you think these are insulting the you've led a very sheltered life. But I suppose that's just the luck of the draw! 😉
Incidentally, what does a yummy mummy like yourself do with the day? Do you nip down to the local coffee shop for frappachino and cake with the girls, before a spot of exercise?....
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I'm just interested, as it obviously makes you very [s]pleased with yourself[/s] happy
Ranson .... binners anything else to say before I tootle off, feel free to resort to insults it would appear to be the mainstay of your posts.
If you think you're being insulted then I assume that your comprehension skills are as lacking as your communication skills. Either that, or you're playing the victim because the debate isn't going your way.
Either that, or you're playing the victim because the debate isn't going your way.
Unlucky, that.
