Just when you think this Government couldn’t get any worse. I despair.
Sickening
The only consolation is that sheer incompetence of the government make it unlikely it will ever happen
Quite possibly the weirdest, and maddest piece of policy being put forward by the government, i'm not even sure it would work in a soap opera!
Have to say though, i still don't understand the whole reasoning for a lot of immigrants trying to get into the UK, as they've come through France and other countries, what is the actual attraction with the UK, i can understand those who have family here, or have some link, but the UK's not exactly head and shoulders above France and the likes?
Someone on the Boris thread called it. New eye-catching (for racist scum) anti-migrant policy to try to deflect. It's shameless, as you'd expect.
Bizzare.
You mean Priti Patel is making her move after the partygate saga!
Christ, if she got in i'd expect finger men and resettlement camps to be on the agenda
The government simply aren't competent enough to even set this policy up. It'll be dropped, I'd put money on it.
We have a failed government.
I do agree that even exploring such a policy shows what utter ***** we have as a government though.
Have to say though, i still don’t understand the whole reasoning for a lot of immigrants trying to get into the UK.....
This isn't about immigrants, it's about asylum seekers and placing them in indefinite detention thousands of miles away on the other side of the world. People not claiming asylum won't be processed in Rwanda.
And why do they seek asylum in the UK rather than other countries? Apart from the possible family/friends/community connections with the UK there are historical and linguistic connections with Britain, the consequences of a vast empire which existed until relatively recent times.
It makes far more sense for an English speaking Afghan/Iraqi trying to escape wars which we helped to start to seek asylum in the UK rather than an other European country.
Furthermore the UK has an extremely long history of providing refuge to those fleeing persecution, right back to Nigel Farage's Huguenot ancestors, or more recently Priti Patel's parents.
Hard as it might seem to some people on here the UK is seen by many people from countries in turmoil as more welcoming to asylum seekers than many other European countries. An image which Priti Patel and this government appear determined to destroy.
If it goes through then expect in the coming years reports of abuse,rape and murder, or disappearance into slavery/sex trafficing of people being sent here.
None of which of course will be levied at the politicians tabling these measures.
We are only a short way from concentration camps. It wouldn't be the first time we have used them.
"Hi Rwanda, can we pretend we're going to pay you to process our refugee claimants, so we can get Boris and Rishi out of the media crosshairs?"
Have Rwanda agreed to this then? When a few other African nations were suggested as the destination a couple of months back, they quickly and correctly told the UK to **** off.
but the UK’s not exactly head and shoulders above France and the likes?
Have you noticed how prevalent the far right are in France? How large a chunk of the vote Le Pen can muster? France is a nice place for a holiday if you're white. Not a great place to be if you're fleeing an oppressive regime. Even without that right wing in power the pressure that support puts on the government means that at an institutional level migrants and asylum seekers are harrassed and abused on a daily basis by the police and local government, who also deliberately hamper and obstruct the agencies that try to support migrants.
I met a senior figure from Medicine San Frontier a few years ago and he was so despairing that the agency is having to provide a frontline service ... in his own country. And that the biggest obstacle he faces in providing that aid is his own government.
Nice place for a bike ride though.
Never happen all smoke and mirrors. What a horrible thing to even suggest doing. How can a child of forced migrants even think of such a thing? Mean and vindictive beyond belief.
I’m always surprised by the level of racist harassment of brown people in France, Spain and Italy by the cops. If I’m noticing it as a white person it must be much worse than I can see. I always assume that’s why they risk the dinghy crossing.
Have Rwanda agreed to this then?
They already have a very similar arrangement with Denmark. I think, as Ernie, suggests you need to have a look at the treatment of asylum seekers in some of our neighbours on the continent,
Jesus christ WTF is this bullshit
Look over there. Dead cat - piles of them. Bet Corbyn murdered them all.
Everyday is 1st April it seems for this government.
A truly heartless action by our inept tory Gov but I never underestimate the depths Bozza, Patel & the rest of the tories will sink to, just to maintain their popularity at the polls and their grip on power.
Fast forward 10 years and we'll see countless cases and claims from wronged asylum seekers in the Courts against this action if it ever comes to fruition.
BBC news reporting that 'Some will be encouraged to stay in Rwanda..'
Evil plan. Utterly abhorrent. A destination well known its for stability & safety.
It will never happen.
It will never happen.
This
100% dead cat to get Johnson party fines off the front pages
Also cost £1.4bn !!!!!!
Makes the Arsenal/Rwanda sponsorship deal look a little off now - "Visit Rwanda" 🤦♂️
However much we might think we live in a nasty racist country, we are still a better option than some European nations, a fact some of us maybe need to bear in mind.
The whole ****ing idea is stupid, and highlights the racist undertones in the way we try to "help" Ukranian refugees compared to those who are not white.
Wasn't it Ascension Island they were going to use last time?
I think they saw the Australian model where you don't let these horrid little people pollute the mainland by keeping them in inhumane conditions elsewhere and if a few get eaten by sharks trying to escape, well, it is probably better than they desrve anyway.
Imagine if the energy expended on trying to arrange this horrorshow was being used to process Ukrainian visa claims.
or more recently Priti Patel’s parents.
I have always wondered if this is a factor in her especially seeming to hate Afro-carribeans. Her family were part of the colonial administrators/middle class merchants expelled by Amin.
Quick, call in the army to straighten bananas and while you're at it get a Bobby on every street corner to raise house prices. They never had potholes on heartbeat.
****s.
I’m out of the country and out of the news. Not sure why I give a shit about Rwanda other than what happened 30 years ago, so it’s not obvious why I clicked this thread.
But OMFG I’ve just read the news about this. Pray to the mighty lord amen that the ****ing government scum go down faster than BHS before I get home and this is just a weird dream.
Shit I might just burn my return ticket and passport.
Isn't the premise behind the potential visit to sunny Rwanda to try and discourage people smuggling?
I can (kind of...) see the idea behind it - why would you pay a people smuggler to get you to the UK when all you'll end up doing is getting a free ride to somewhere with horrendous human rights issues?
I agree that the people smuggling & small boat crossings etc. are getting out of hand but not sure this is the answer.....
As for asylum - Isn't the rule you seek asylum in the first friendly country? From Syria etc. that certainly isn't the UK.
Yes France (and other European countries) have a large far right proportion so you can see why they want out but why is it always little old England?
For the record I don't have an issue with genuine asylum seekers (escaping war torn countries, human rights issues etc.) - but those abusing the system etc is just wrong.
WTAF?
When's the revolution?
It will never happen.
My thoughts exactly when I heard.
Just some soothing, racist 'Take Back Control' noises to get the send-'em-back Brexit Brigade onside for the local elections in a couple of weeks.
Then it'll quietly rot on the big pile with all the other policies that were announced purely to fill the Daily Mail front page the next day
I think they saw the Australian model
Yup, Priti Patel even appointed a former senior Australian government minister to advise:
highlights the racist undertones in the way we try to “help” Ukranian refugees compared to those who are not white.
Very much this IMO.
The whole scheme faces a legal challenge and will be tested in the courts. There is significant opposition within the Tory Party which could cause legislative issues although currently not sufficient to deny the government a majority. And there is of course opposition within the House of Lords.
Dog-whistle policy to distract the 40% of voters who keep them in power from Partygate.
Impossible to put into practice due to various cost / legal issues, ergo it'll never happen.
Until all the other centre / centre left parties agree to reform the voting system and work together as one coalition to oust them, we're stuck in the political quagmire.
It’s probably just a PR stunt to deflect from current wowes. Announce policy knowing it wont stand up in court then do sad camera face saying its all those nasty liberal judges hampering the will of the people.
As a country we do need to do something to manage immigration because the current situation is a mess. We need to understand why all these people who are passing through lots of safe European countries are not settling in any of them and instead coming to enter the UK illegally
@ernielynch, cheers, just wondered as i thought asylum was sought in the first country you enter, so Italy/France/etc, i know some EU countries do a bit of 'assisted' migration for asylum seekers to get them closer to where they want to end up, it's a problem that's always been ignored, bar a shiny looking centre, or policy being brought out.
Personally, i can't see much of an issue with increasing immigration in the UK, we like to whinge about being overpopulated, but we're not really, and future wise, we need to increase a little due to reduced birth rates, we're looking at a real problem forming in about 40 or 50 years time if it keeps going the same way. Bar criminals or the likes, it's not really a negative, we make it a negative in most ways by dividing them up and throwing them around the country, counting on charities and so on to be the support network for those trying to integrate.
Dog-whistle policy to distract the 40% of voters who keep them in power from Partygate.
This issue as a proposal goes way back before partygate, it's part of the Nationality and Boarders Bill which first surfaced last summer.
If you weren't aware it is a reflection on how bad a job the current Opposition is doing.
The reality is the UK doesn't even take in many asylum seekers. The vast majority stop before hey reach the UK.
France 2021 121,554, UK 68,540. And that's up a lot from the usual number to the UK
Sweden took in 90000 in 2021. So the UK doesn't get lots in comparism to other countries
We need to understand why all these people who are passing through lots of safe European countries are not settling in any of them and instead coming to enter the UK illegally
The numbers are above - we don't take as many as the right wing press would have you believe.
And reasons why Britai is seen as a better option are discussed up the thread - family, language, even more racist elsewhere.
If your first reaction to this is that it's unethical - so what, or course it is. If you have friends or relatives that vote Tory then tell them that it's a waste of £1.4Bn by a Govt who won't help people with their fuel bills.
If you weren’t aware it is a reflection on how bad a job the current Opposition is doing.
or an opposition who understand that (outside this forum) this is going to be pretty popular amongst people that vote Labour as well as Tory.
The reality is the UK doesn’t even take in many asylum seekers. The vast majority stop before hey reach the UK.
Or even Europe. Lebanon I believe has the highest amount of refugees in the world, something like 20% of the population including one and a half million Syrians.
Plenty of other poor Third World countries have vastly greater numbers of asylum seekers than any European countries. Countries such as Bangladesh, although I think many people believe it's not the same because the asylum seekers have a similar colour skin as the people of the host country.
Shameful, and I'm sure I'm not the only one who thought about the racial dimension.
I think Uganda even give land to refugees for free.
We all know what it is. Its all part of the brainfart that is Nationality and Boarders Bill.
Less a policy, more a series of insane racist musings. What would happen if a man in a white van, sat reading the Sun, were thinking out loud in a Maccy D's car park.
Wave machines in the channel? Send them to Ascension Island? Jetski's turning boats back?
... and now Rwanda
None of them ever designed to become reality. Just some dog-whisle bullshit to keep the right-wing reactionaries happy. And each new one means the last one is forgotten
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Bar criminals or the likes, it’s not really a negative, we make it a negative in most ways by dividing them up and throwing them around the country, counting on charities and so on to be the support network for those trying to integrate.
That's where the system is broken - there is no way of tracing some of these peoples past - terrorist, rapist whatever, their past can stay hidden.
These are the one I have issues with.
