[Closed] Rugby world cup

There's something that commonly comes before a fall. Can't remember what it is though....

Hosea Gear and Stephen Donald called up by the ABs.

Both of them may end up featuring.

[i]Hosea Gear[/i]

How many wingers do they need? Moving Sonny Bill to the wing was a strange decision when they have Guildford, Jane, Dagg and now Gear.
Anyway, they better get it right next weekend or they won't be making the final!

I think that you'll find that most Welsh are quite realistic and recognise that we're only as good as we are.

As an Englishmen I'm torn between wanting Wales to win the RWC
but then having to suffer their [s]abuse[/s]banter for 4 years
with the gain of being able to silence any Kiwi by dramatically grabbing my throat
but mainly because I think it would be great for the Welsh and great for the game

against

the Kiwis winning (NZ has had a tough year) and all southern hemisphere types continuing to be insufferably smug.

On the whole I'd like Wales to win though as it reminds of my childhood with my Dad and his best mate Taff (I never knew his real name). If Wales beat England in the 5 nations I'd have to answer the phone:
me "Hello who's speaking please"
Welsh voice "Hello D is your dad in?" <smug voice>
me "No ermmm he's gone out." My dad was usually crying into his beer
Welsh voice "Tell him I thought England played as well as they could...."
This was the 70's so I had to answer the phone quite regularly.

Funny, that's pretty much the exact opposite of the impression that I have of (most) welsh fans

Its funny, if you read the English centric media or believe what ITV tells us, England are constantly under achieving despite having wonderful players, sooner or later surely they have to realise.

Wales are what we always have known since 2005, if everyone is fit they usually have 15 players who can give anyone a game, we even have a few decent bench options now, but if for example Adam Jones and Jamie Roberts went down injured they would be screwed. Wales are benefitting from good coaching, good fitness and only have Matt Rees injured. Well and the man god Henson but I'm happy to discount him as he's not played for decades.

How many wingers do they need? Moving Sonny Bill to the wing was a strange decision when they have Guildford, Jane, Dagg and now Gear.

Guildford was injured for the quarter final and Jane's had a few knocks too. Dagg, who was also injured for the game, is now the only fullback.

is Mulinia injured then?

[img] [/img]hey Bryce you **** this isnt legal on so many levels, going in the side and trying to rip heads off could be considered dangerous.

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and then the reverse angle with gumshield flying is even better
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Schalk Burger's fingers near eyes yet again? Surely not. 👿

Peter de Villiers resigned. Does anybody else find him incredibly irritating?

I HATE schalk burger. Nasty dirty bastard. He should have been banned from the game years ago IMO.

Todd Blackadder for Scotland coach?

Muliaaina has a fractured shoulder and is out. Slade injured, groin, must be a number 10 thing. Called up Donal and Gear who I think should have been there from the start. Donald though is a muppet. I think NZ will edge Australia and Wales will beat France.
It's disgusting though the gouging that has been going in with hotels and stuff. Guy next to me was paying 390 a night for a bed in a crap motel. No wonder there are still tickets le, bloody IRB setting prices waaaay to high. Although at least we have Joubert refereeing our game.
Exciting times.

Loving DoC trying to stop the Doc (geddit)

There was a bit where Phillips handed off/pushed back one of the irish 2nd row for about 10m....it looked great.

[i]hey Bryce you **** this isnt legal on so many levels, going in the side and trying to rip heads off could be considered dangerous.[/i]

I thought he was supposed to have been biased to Australia. Jeez what was he watching when that was going on?
Apart from that Burger had a good game.

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just realised the tag "arse oout in burtons window if this makes 3000" wonder who put that in?

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Thankfully the pommy rugby teams departing our shores.What did they give to the game.Miserable soulless rugby, no smiles, boorish behaviour and attitude.Goodbye and dont hurry back.Thankfully there should be some entertaining rugby ahead with four teams full of entertainment and skill to cap off a very successful and enjoyable rugby festival.One of the great joys has been seeing all the different nationalities travelling the country and enjoying there time here.

I thought he was supposed to have been biased to Australia

Not sure he was biased although the try he took back for the forward pass was wrong IMO. He just reduced the breakdown to a farce which meant SA could never get any momentum

check this one out for quality off your feet action

two aussie tackles seal off the ball and two Saffa's go in like synchronised divers!!!

I have to say I don't agree AA - he was more lenient than some at the breakdown but it was the same for both sides. Multiple offences from both sides in the clip above.

forward pass was forward as well on my telly

Thankfully the pommy rugby teams departing our shores.What did they give to the game.Miserable soulless rugby, no smiles, boorish behaviour and attitude.Goodbye and dont hurry back.Thankfully there should be some entertaining rugby ahead with four teams full of entertainment and skill to cap off a very successful and enjoyable rugby festival.One of the great joys has been seeing all the different nationalities travelling the country and enjoying there time here.

First time i've seen that jamie roberts rampage. Didn't he run over Hape in the 2nd warm up match?

Multiple offences from both sides in the clip above

But rules is rules and the problem was he let so much go it was just dangerous, had Bakkies Botha been playing he'd have broken Pockock for sure because he wasnt blowing for pens early enough. Aus tackles just lay all over the ball and Pocock got hands on, he let let it keep going so the Saffas were diving head first into Pocock or trying to pull his head off.

Did you watch the IRB explanation of a forward pass I posted earlier?

If the ref blew for every infringement the game would never get going. its a question of how lenient they want to be

A forward pass is a forward pass - if it travels towards the goal line at all. Nothing to do with where the men are or how they are running - its the flight of the ball that matters. teh rules are quite clear

It was forward IMO

anagallis_arvensis - Member

Multiple offences from both sides in the clip above

But rules is rules.....

The breakdown is the area that was supposed to be stringently reffed this year, but we still have piles of bodies on the ground, players coming in from all directions, etc, etc. (Obviously Ireland are the worst offenders, DD! 😆 )

I'm assuming that the refs in NZ have been instructed to make sure that the game is accessible to non-rugby watchers and to cut down on the more technical decisions, but I can't believe the amounts of knock-ons that are being waved on, the offside that is allowed.

As you say, the breakdwon situation is becoming dangerous. If the rules were applied properly though, they would benefit teams with proper open side flankers. Such as the 4 that have got through to the quarters.

Anyway, not sure where I'm going with this, so I'll stop!

if it travels towards the goal line at all. Nothing to do with where the men are or how they are running

not true according to the IRB
see here this is originally from the IRB website
www.youtube.com/watch?v=box08lq9ylg

Yes it is - check the rule book

DEFINITION: THROW FORWARD

A throw forward occurs when a player throws or passes the ball forward. ‘Forward’ means towards the opposing team’s dead ball line.

http://www.irblaws.com/EN/laws/3/12/111/during-the-match/knock-on-or-throw-forward/definition-throw-forward/#clause_111

Lots of people including those who put the clip together get confused about this - but the rule is clear. there was some discussion of the momentum pass and so on but the rule remains the same

so have you watched the video? care to explain how seemingly 90% of the passes in a game are not ruled forward then?

Lots of people including those who put the clip together get confused about this

that'll be the IRB, you know the people who make the rules and control the refs?

Read the rules from the IRB.

Some forward passes don't get called because of the optical illusion you refer to but the rules as defined by the IRB is clear and as I quoted

A throw forward occurs when a player throws or passes the ball forward. ‘Forward’ means towards the opposing team’s dead ball line.

I think you are missing the point, if you throw it forward its a forward pass clearly, but you can throw it backwards ie towards your own dead ball line and the over all direction of the pass can be forward from the point of release.

while your here, do you still think all of Scotlands 9 options are superior to Mike Phllips 😆

AA - have athink about it

The only thing that matters is the direction of the ball. You either throw it towards the opponents dead ball line or you don't

but you can throw it backwards ie towards your own dead ball line and the over all direction of the pass can be forward from the point of release.

A throw forward occurs when a player throws or passes the ball forward. ‘Forward’ means towards the opposing team’s dead ball line

That's not clear at all! You can THROW the ball backwards, but it can TRAVEL forwards because you're running forwards.

Which is what the vid says.

Anyway this is a stupid argument and can we PLEASE not destroy this RWC thread with such nerdiness? Please? 🙂

Not impossible. Throw a ball on a backward diagonal out of the window of a car doing 30mph or so, see where it ends up relative to the point of release.
Same principle.
You can throw a ball backwards, relative to the moving thrower, that travels forward relative to the ground.

molgrips - if you throw the ball backwards it travels backwards, if it travels forward you threw it forward. Stuey its relative to the dead ball line that counts. thats what the law says

Very clear and the law is clear.

Philips - on my list of people you would never get tired of slapping

if you throw the ball backwards it travels backwards, if it travels forward you threw it forward

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You know who this is?

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Which direction would the ball go if the thrower is on a conveyor belt?

I know what the law says, I've read it too.
It says that if the ball is thrown forward then it is a forward pass. It doesn't say anything about the ball [b]travelling[/b] forward.
The video demonstrates that it is possible to throw a ball backwards, that actually travels forwards. That is why there is room for interpretation in the law, and the allowing of the "momentum pass" by the referees.

A throw forward occurs when a player throws or passes the ball forward. ‘[b]Forward’ means towards the opposing team’s dead ball line[/b].

thats the wording in the IRB rulebook. Not relative to the player - relative to the dead ball line

It ois simply impossible to throw the ball backwards and it travel forwards 🙄 mo0menteum pass is not allowed for.

TJ slapping Mike Phillips 😆

If you throw it backwards over your head, you are THROWING it away from the opponent's line, aren't you? But the ball can travel forwards.

Moving frame of reference - that sentence does not address the problem of moving reference frames.

It doesn't say "the ball must not travel towards the dead ball line" does it? It says it must not be thrown towards it. It's possible to both throw the ball away from the dead ball line and have it travel towards it.

It ois simply impossible to throw the ball backwards and it travel forwards

Yes it is. Clearly possible.

Very simple physics, now let's move on.