[Closed] Rugby thread 2016/2017

Yes - But others suffer much less. Russell didn't come apart when he made that pass. He was trying to make a try scoring pass as he does every time. there was an overlap! Thats his weakness tho. Farrell or Ford wouldn't do that sort of mad pass.

IMO 10/12 are the main if not the only real weakness England have. too slow of thinking and unable to cope without an armchair ride

try to do to Russell what Ireland did to Ford he will lie flat to the gain line and he will chip over the top. Russellis just so much quicker to react to what is ion front of him. ford and Farrell if the planned move aint working they are not able to do anything

Blindmelon +1 great game and the right tactics to beat a very talented team.

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England play very well to a game plan. And badly when the game plan fails.

Ireland play like tigers in defence first, then attack.

Scotland play flexibly. And when that is a good game they are stunning. But it that fails they probably have nothing.

Stay classy Kryton!

so on that Watson was better in attack but Tips in defense and Watson made more turnovers but that is not definate

You might recall one team did a lot of defending and one a lot of attacking.
To claim the Tipuric is just a defencing flanker and not very fast and more of a six is plain bonkers. He is easily the most creative, one of the fastest and the best attacking linking and passing 7's in europe. Now I wouldnt have him in my Lions 15 due to his lack of a power game but to have your view point is utterly mind bending if you have ever seen him play.

Do you only watch Scottish teams?
Earlier you said Watson was the only proper 7 in Britain ckearly you have not seen Ellis Jenkins at The Blues or James Davies at The Scarlets both proper 7's and both you could argue as good as Watson. Will Boyd at The Scarlets is another very good proper 7.
The fact that Wales has hardly any good sixes and 8's means our best 6 played 8 all season and the best 7 played 6, doesnt mean they have suddenly become different players.

Very negative rugby, obviously a tactic made for a very dull game. Enlgand need to learn to counter against this but if I was Irish I wouldnt feel particulalry proud about the nature of that win.

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I was a "neutral" and I thought itvwas a great game!!!

9, 10 and 12 are not Englands issue. I'd like to see Ford put his foot and the ball and stamp his authority more but he is worth keeping. Care and Youngs are decent and so is Faz. Slade at 12 and Faz at 10 will be tried at some point I reckon.
Englands problem is their gameplan relies on the forwards smashing their way over the gainline (lets discount the Scotland game where the Scottish mid field seemed to forget how to defend off first phase) stop the England forwards on or behind the gainline and they have little else. Wales did it and were a shanked kick away from winning and Ireland did it yesterday.
Once plan A is stopped there other option as done yesterday was go back to a set piece maul game which they are good at, but their scrum, lineout and maul game whilst good isnt that great considering they have 3 locks in their team. Ireland coped yesterday and more suprisingly Wales did too. The other option would be to play wider keep Vunipola out wider get the wings more involved and move the point of attack, they have the backs to do this but their backrow is stodgetastic and lacks pace so they worry about moving them around and losing ball.
England need a 7 really. Shame Watson is the only one in Britain.

So what are peoples view on the French prop going off for the HIA yesterday it won them the game as they were able to bring their more dominant prop back on for 20mins of scrum tedium. It looked like France "gamed" the rules. Barnes did the right thing to be fair and directly questioned the medic. I doubtbit can be proven but if it could this is like blood gate but much more serious due the the very real need to protect players with concussion. Leaves a very nasty taste for me.

Here's hoping these losses put to bed the idea of having Howler take over from Gatland as head coach. Had we won this one and the England game he'd be nailed on so we may have dodged a bullet!!

The Scotland game annoyed me. We again played to italys strengths, only when we shifted to the backs did the game open and as soon as we made space we went back to up the jumper rugby.

I don't see how itoje is getting away with tackles which could be lower and better timed. Sexton will be sore today.

I thought it was a good weekend of rugby, fascinating to look at some of the dire and bore comments, all the games had ebb and flow.

Scotland recovered well from the battering by England, Russell game managed much better, shame for huw Jones he does look like he has potential. Italy are improving under O'Connor.

Wales and France was fascinating and i thought Wales were going to get blown away the first ten, great defence and resilience from the Welsh. Potentially wasteful at times from France and then the finale of the Scrum, Wales moral winners. I thought Warns was outstanding.

Ireland were the best team with a great plan well executed, England need to understand how to change the game on the pitch, better decision making is there downfall. Back row lacking mobility for England and general nous.would like to have seen Nowell start and time to say good by to Mr Angry. Ireland look like they have more strength in depth coming through, well played Sexton.

Lions wise no place for Watson, and he has had a great tournament and is a joy to watch plus the competition for places is great.

No place for hartley, best and George for the places.

No place for any Welsh front five, Alun Wyn Jones has had a anynomus tournament.

No place for a English scrum half.

Not convinced by Farrell at 12

~AA - that not really what I said - anyway - leave it.

Good six nations. today I feel a bit happier about Scotlands performance

Brown is a great 15 when there's less pressure. It's not the skills that let him down its his control of himself.

Mind you Hogg and loopy Liam are the same.

Russell should be a Lions contender but 12,13 will need to be less stringent in their play. Russell farrell ringrose

AA; Prop told ref he had a sore back,starting Prop had been warming up. Then suddenly had a sore head 🙄
We have to protect players so playing on the HIA procedures is utter shite. 10/10 for the Welsh props comment. " We don't care!" That incident has to be dealt with, you can't have special teams a la American Football.

Double post caused by jaggy bunnet.

10/10 for the Welsh props comment. " We don't care!

Which he didnt but then he got boken and Nicky Smith came on!!!

Wales just should have said Francis was injured and gone uncontested!!!

Anyway I am quite pleased we lost to prevent another Howlercaust but HIA need to be respected and if teams cant do that than what the **** can they do? Independent medics...wont help they just say I banged me head mate and any medic will have to trust them. Quite a dark day for the game imo.

Alun Wyn Jones has had a anynomus tournament.

I think you should go back and look at the wales england and Wales ireland games and have a think. Might not make the Lions tour but he has been immense in a poor welsh front 5 that has hung onto the coat tails of much better irish, english and french tight 5's.

Brown is a great 15 when there's less pressure

No he is an average to good international 15. He is a reliable defender and very good under the high ball but after his break through season the lack of variety in his attacking play has been worked out.

I'd like to find space for Hamish Watson at 7. The only true 7 playing in the NH.

They are all 6.5s really anyway are they not?

~AA - that not really what I said - anyway - leave it.

Why? You talk absolute shite, get called out on it, then say its not what you said and want it left???

With out it sounding like sour grapes Wales got shafted by some very questionable decisions yesterday.

that's life though got to suck it up.

AA - your post immediately above mine says I said things I didn't. Simple as.

Anyway lets drop it eh?

As regards France and the supposed HAI - very much indeed looks like it was bending the rules. We shall see but if Wales had done a similar fiddle to go to uncontested scrums they would have been down another player - and the last passage of play before the try was scored Barnes had picked out two Yellow card offenses - the prop going down and Biggar kicking a ball inthe ruck - so one more play would have seen wale down to 11 players!

Re. The hia, it was a farce, but what can you do? If someone had an injury and was made to pay on there would be hell to play. All you can do is hope for the integrity of the management team and if this episode gets enough negative press maybe people will think twice?

Very very bizarre end to the game. Personally I thought France were infringing at the scrum as it was French players standing up first. Then there was the fourth official saying there was / wasn't a problem. As the French would say 'Bof!'

With out it sounding like sour grapes Wales got shafted by some very questionable decisions yesterday.

I agree but I think Barnes was handed a some shit cards in that last 20mins. I think he did the best he could. Wonder if the player who bit North will be found?

I thought Barnes handled that final bit of the game very well indeed - being very clear about what he was being told and doing - and resisted the temptation to give a pen try everytime the Welsh pack got shoved backwards and broke up the scrum

AA let's not forget better Scottish locks as well. By his standards and as a touted Captain of the lions an anynomus tournament especially in a poor Welsh front five who played well yesterday, in all honesty the scrum looked better with T Falateu in there for the last twenty.

AA - your post immediately above mine says I said things I didn't. Simple as.

What did I say that you didnt.
Watson is clearly not the only true 7 true the northern hemisphere.
Tipuric is clearly an out and out 7 with amazing pace and all round skills. He is a great link player and his ability to draw defenders and make space for others in open spaces is top draw.
Your assertion about Watson is clearly wrong.
Now Watson may be a better player that is as always open for debate but your starting position is clearly flawed.

AA let's not forget better Scottish locks as well. By his standards and as a touted Captain of the lions an anynomus tournament especially in a poor Welsh front five who played well yesterday, in all honesty the scrum looked better with T Falateu in there for the last twenty.

Better Scottish locks who crumbled v France and England??
The poor welsh front 5 who demolished ireland and stood toe to toe with England and France?

in all honesty the scrum looked better with T Falateu in there for the last twenty.

Francis going off and Lee coming on seemed to improve things. I very much dout Faletau pushes harder than AWJ!!

I'm not suggesting AWJ is a Lions captain, test player or even tour player but to claim he has been annonymous is as flawed as TJ's claims about Watson. AWJ has put in some very good shifts for Wales this 6 nations which co sidering the welsh tight five has Francis and Ball in it who are not international standard speaks volumes.

To claim the Tipuric is just a defencing flanker and not very fast and more of a six is plain bonkers.

I didn't say that

Now - lets move on eh? Lets not stink up a good thread with stupid argument.

Scottish locks

Ickle Jonny was poor by his standards the last two games. I don't know why.
Is it folk have worked him out or what I don't know but his performances the last two weeks took him further away from a lions place.

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I am a big Russell fan but he is not lions material now and may never be. He needs familiar players around him because of the way he plays - he wouldn't get that for the lions and his high risk high reward game would give NZ too many opportunities. I think he is capable of sublime touches that no other NH 10 can do - but the flip side of that is he makes mistakes that none of them do either. He misses kicks to touch and remember that long looping pass under the posts against England. I think Farrell is mediocre at best but I'd play him for the lions before Russell because his more conventional style would be better for the lions

To claim the Tipuric is just a defencing flanker and not very fast and more of a six is plain bonkers.
I didn't say that

No you said he was more of a 6.5 and Watson the only true 7 in NH and could link play better than others. You then trotted out some stats to try and prove it, suggesting that Tipuric was a better defender from a game where Wales lost quite heavily...hence defended more and the stats showed Tips passed more anyway!!!

What is your point re Watson?

Well played Ireland, another GS goes begging in Dublin. Hardly a shock to find a ferocious and committed Irish side able to play with skill and nouse. Only saw first 5 minutes so comments based on reading thread and press. Recorded the game but will only watch short youtube highlights 😐

French game was extraordinary for the finish only, I thought Wales had done enough and Barnes was clear North had been bitten and it wan't inflicted by a Welshman was it even if video was unclear.

My point simply was I personally would like to find space for him for the lions as I think he is the sort of guy we need for them but I realise that many folk won't agree and that there is huge competition for back row places.

To some extent it depends on the style Gatland wants to play andthe combinations he likes. Watson is both up against players of similar type like Tips and guys of a different type. I doubt he will go on the lions but I thought it worth making a case for him as a "wildcard" given how wellhe has played this 6N

watson outplayed tips in the head to head. tips has the pedigree and experience. Watson has speed on his side and is improving game by game

From ESPN after the head to head game
7 Hamish Watson (Scotland)

The most influential substitute of the weekend. Was a questionable selection to leave Watson on the bench against Wales, but he took his chance with both hands when John Hardie limped off injured by beasting the breakdown against some fine fetchers in Warburton and Tipuric.

AA a poor front five who defended well, but have been out scrummaged in the main yesterday was an improvement, a lineout that has misfired at critical times and Owens is not the greatest thrower.

Howley can only work with what he has got and by your admission previously this is not a good Welsh front five.

AA a poor front five who defended well, but have been out scrummaged in the main yesterday was an improvement, a lineout that has misfired at critical times and Owens is not the greatest thrower.

The welsh lineout and Owens throwing have been very very reliable dopped off a couple of times when Baldwin came on. England lost lineouts at critical times too but The Kiwi Gouger is a very good chucker, George however doesnt seem to be.
I'm not sure you have even watched the games. Wales dominated the lineout v Ireland and did very well on their own ball v England.
Only the French have out scrummaged us. We held our own v Ireland and England. In the Scotland game we seemed to be much stronger than them but they messed about well and played the ref better.
None of which has much to do with AWJ being anonymous which he clearly hasnt. He's been the stand out Welsh front 5 player..

watson outplayed tips in the head to head

Players dont really oppose each other in that way anymore. A very simple analysis of the way Wales are defending makes the idea that Watson won more turnovers redundant anyway as Wales werent playing the jackle game in the six nations.

Watson is both up against players of similar type like Tips

Which is the opposite of what you said.

AA suprsingly watched all the games and still would say Wyn Jones has been anynomus in a very poor Welsh front five which echos what you yourself have said in earlier posts especially re Scotland.

Watson is a good seven and i would like him to go in lions but he will not as there are options more suited to the management.

Russell is a good player getting better and will not go to the lions this time, his game management was much better yesterday.

AA suprsingly watched all the games and still would say Wyn Jones has been anynomus in a very poor Welsh front five

Very suprising, you might want to try openning both eyes.

Wales lineout. Lost none v Italy. Lost 1 v England.
Lost 1 v Scotland. None against Ireland and 2 against France. At least 3 of those losses had Baldwin chucking as far as I recall but Owens is a poor thrower?
http://www.rbs6nations.com/mobile/en/matchcentre/match_data.php#LH75PDrcwGtgQO26.97

I have no problem with people looking at players differently but the level of delusion on this thread is remarkable. People have preconcieved ideas and just spout rubbish to suit it.

Russell is a good player getting better and will not go to the lions this time, his game management was much better yesterday.

Not so sure:

Sexton
Ford
Faz
Biggar
Russell

Pick 3? Last time Gatland only took 2 10's. I dont think he will do that this time or if he does Faz will go as a 12 so picking 3 stands.

I'd take
Henson
Sexton
Faz
But I think Gatland will go Sexton, Faz and then its between Biggar, Ford and Russel. Sexton does everything Biggar does and more so he's out. Then its a steaight call between Ford and Russell. Gatland hates midgets so Russell goes....

Anyone know of a source of stats that shows turnovers?

I still say Russells not the player for the lions unless you take most of the scots backs as well.

I think he is a far better player than Farrell in isolation but when you are picking a team to play together with not much time to get to know each other you need more conventional players like Sexton, Biggar , Farrell

Before this 6N I would have taken Sexton and Biggar and maybe Ford - but Biggar has not had a good tournament IMO nor has Ford and I don't rate Farrell at all so am struggling for Sextons backup. I think I would have to go Farrell right now - not because I think he is the second best 10 but because I think he is the second best 10 that plays in the way the lions need.

Does that make sense?

A A help me understand why the Welsh rugby public are so respondent with Welsh rugby and Howley as the coach?

Because he is rubbish

Well that went quick! Great championships, shame the games of the lsat day were't of the highest quality but no shortage of drama!
Now to get back to watching Bris get pumped week in and week out with the usual false hope.

Looked pretty certain that it was Huget that bit North to me......and would it be any surprise? He makes Hogg and Brown look like quiet affable characters in comparison! He's one of very few players I can think of that I actually do dislike and would be glad of leaving the game. Callum Clarke is the other.

why the Welsh rugby public are so respondent with Welsh rugby and Howley as the coach?

Because Howley is shit, things like picking players like Fluffbert over and over again despite him being hopelessly out of form when players like Stef Evans have been clearly much better than him all season. Playing a conservative game plan of bish bash bosh one out rugby when we dont have the forwards to do it. We have some players like Tipuric or Faletau with good footwork but we get them to play a game that doesnt suit them. We should play a bit more like Scotland try to player wider off the 10 and risk a few offloads at least in the opposition 22. Watch Wales play, great defence but the longer we have the ball the less likely we are to score!!
Our set piece has gone well and our defence was good apart from v scotland so we stay in games and they are tight but we create **** all. Only 3 new caps since the world cup. We need to try some options 1/2p does nothing in attack but we still get him not Liam, Fluffbert not Evans, Sammy Davies Junior needs same decent gametime but Howler needed wins in the Autumn so the usual suspects get flogged with the same old gameplan.
Edwards is the only one who has moved the team on with the defensive emphasis on double tackles and driving back rather than 1 chopping and the other jackling, but even this was 6 months after everyone had adapted to the latest ref fad.

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Seems reasonable but I dont get the George thing hasnt added much when he's come on. Would prefer more pace on the wing for Williams so Watson or Seymour for me. Gatland wont pic Tips if Waburton is fit and on form.

Or Daly on wing, would like to see him tried at 13 too.

Odd selection I would say. One Scot and 4welsh?

Plenty better winger s than North around

I think more scots in the squad, but not sure about the first xv

Plenty better winger s than North around

Really, name some.
AWJ is an odd one for me but I wouldnt replace him with anyone Scottish.

Seymour? Dunbar? Barclay?

I would have Watson but I accept many would disagree

Anthony Watson looked a shadow of the player on the Aus tour yesterday. Way off match fitness. When fit he will be a good bench option covering 15 too. Needs a haircut though.

Next year I want to see Robson at 9 for England. Robshaw has been a big miss.

The most disappointing thing for me yesterday was the amount of times we dropped the ball in good attacking positions. At least 6. And they seemed to know all our line outs. When you see the devastation from "off the top" line out ball against Scotland, yesterday they took nearly half our ball.

AA

Seymour Maitland Watson( the English wing) and a load of others

For me North is there on reputation not form. Outplayed by loads of folk this year

I think best at 2 after his 6n's. Could well be captain actually. If fit, I think that Warburton will start at 7.

Launchbury has to be a dead cert to start?

Seymour? Dunbar? Barclay?

Only one of them is a winger?
Seymour, Watson, Nowel, Maitland all good players but none have the raw finishing ability of North.

As for Dunbar well he was part of a midfield shredded by England. I dont think he'll make it and Barclay is just not good enough plenty of better 7's or 6's

Warburton is a better 6 or 7 than him, POM and Stander better 6's. Tipuric a better 7.

AA
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For me North is there on reputation not form. Outplayed by loads of folk this year

Really?!?How many other players would have scored the try he got v Ireland.

No italian out played him
Was against May v England, both quiet.
V Scotland Visser did him for a try and he was very quiet but please dont suggest Visser for the Lions. Was part of a very poor team second half and hardly got a pass.
V Ireland he bitch slapped the Irish back 3 all game and was outstanding.
V France he was quiet but hardly got a pass again all game. Did his bit in defence.

Watson was poor v ireland and has done little other trot in some nicely worked tries v scotland.
Maitland is injured and will struggle to make a case, neat tidy player but not the raw finisher that North is.
You are deluded.

North does have X factor is a real size and has pace. Looks to be coming back into form. His work at kick offs yesterday was good. Got to be at least be on the plane.

Daly is certainly the pick of England's wingers at the moment, he seems to have everything. But picking a 15 is very old school these days.

I'd be happy to have North in any team of mine.

Seeing as TJ likes stats North has twice as many caps and twice as many tries than Seymour yet is 4 years younger.

🙂 Nice one AA

Ireland wouldn't cap Tennassee Tam soi he came to Scotland!

Whats the try to game ratio and try numbers as a % of tires scored by the team when playing? ( no don't go and look it up)

One thing tho - if North played for Scotland he would see a lot more of the ball 🙂

North has about 30 tries in 75 tests Seymour about 15 in 30 so roughly the same. I would imagine in the time Seymour has been playing for Scotland the tries scored by each team are roughly the same. Neither team exactly prolific, although scotland more likely to score recently. I would contend that North has played more big games v big teams what with us playing nz, aus and sa almost every year!

Lies damn lies and statistics!

AWJ is an odd one for me but I wouldnt replace him with anyone Scottish.

I agree AA, but Launchbury should be there. Even a fit Kruis? AWJ has been anynomus this tournament.

Still not getting the full on hate for Howley, if he did allow players game time he would get panned as well, so is it back to the old days of the WRU, the howl of the public and forever changing the coach?

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Still not getting the full on hate for Howley

He's a shit coach! Has lost loads of games and not improved the Wales attack in 240 000 years of being attack coach

Is it just me or does launchberry look like a fat farmboy! Played well this tournament tho

Launchbury always looks like he's having an asthma attack too...great player though.

Though this interview with Sam was posting. Amazing how he can recall things with such clarity!!
http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/39320970

"Warburton believes that despite finishing fifth, Wales would have the quality to 'win all five games' if the tournament was staged again next month."

this is IMO one of wales problems. NOt accepting there are fundamental flaws in the team and that they have not moved on in the last 5 years when the others have.

same with Howley

Player backing his team and himself is not really an issue. If Howler said it then I would have a problem.
Although lets be honest we could easily have beaten England and France as it is.

"Warburton believes that despite finishing fifth, Wales would have the quality to 'win all five games' if the tournament was staged again next month."

Although lets be honest we could easily have beaten England and France as it is.

Although you didnt.

Sorry AA I do agree the captain has to back himself but really Wales looked like the 5th place team.

For me the first thing Wales need to do is recognise that they deservedly finished 5th and that the game has moved on since this teams glory years

You could not have easily beaten England. France maybe but England are a couple of levels above anyone else in the 6N much as it pains me to say it.

coughbollockscough

If he doesnt think it no one will though!!!
And lets be honest we thumped Ireland, how did your lot get on?

You could not have easily beaten England

Did you see the game?
Had Davies kicked to touch we could easily have won, it was a very tight game. How did your lot get on v England?

For me the first thing Wales need to do is recognise that they deservedly finished 5th and that the game has moved on since this teams glory years

So you expect a senior player to stand up in public and say. "Yeah mate we're shit like mun, lucky to come 5th. The games moved on and past us by like. Dont know why we bother, need some new coaches and ideas like, these are shit"

LIVID Sean Lamont last night launched an astonishing attack on his team-mates as another Six Nations campaign lurched towards disaster for Scotland.In a bitter four-letter rant triggered by one of the most abject displays ever seen at Murrayfield, Lamont accused Andy Robinson's flops of complacency and simply not caring enough.

"Lamont raged: "We NEED to point fingers - nothing short of that.

"It is time to shut the doors with the boys inside - maybe not even with the coaches there.

"It comes down to the question: How much do you want this? How much do you want the rest of the tournament to go our way?

"We are now away until we come back into camp next Sunday so the lads will have to do some soul searching.

"And we've got a depth in the squad where if the boys aren't coming up to the mark someone else will step in.

"Regardless of how a couple of individuals performed it is no good if the whole team isn't up there.

"As a team we weren't clinical enough and it was the same last week.

"That is why boys have to have a look at themselves. We have to get the thing together, tighten up and be a f****** squad.

so yes - I think Wales need to accept that they are now outclassed and out gunned, they are playing yesterdays game and that they need to rebuild. This is what Scotland had to do and they have done it. Scotland outclassed Wales and are 5tyh in the rankings. wales are down to 8th and nearly dropped out of the top 8.

"I'm sick of having this year after year, valiant losers or whatever," Lamont told PA Sport. "I'm sick of it - I want to win something, I really do. The players owe it to the coaches and the fans.

"We need to pull our fingers out, there's been too many years gone by where we've been also-rans. It's not good enough. We need to do some finger-pointing and soul searching."

But Sean Lamont was shit!
And to be fair this Wales team has won stuff they havent gone through years and years of being shit and then talked themselves up as having a chance of winning at twickers (something most of the welsh players will have done more than once) and then caved in and been totally caved in.

Yup =- but thats what they are facing now unless they take action and radical action. In some ways the parallel with those Scotland years lamont was ranting abut is there. Too many players towards the end of their careers but no planning for the future so no up and coming players getting experience

A couple of years ago we had to bring in loads of inexperienced players at one. One 6N match I remember out total number of caps was half wales - and half of all scotland caps belonged to two players. We had something like 20 of the squad with single figure caps because Robinson kept on with the old guard in an attempt to not get stuffed rather than take the short term pain of bringing in the new guys.

I am assuming you have the players out there who are young and have potential of course. Sam Davies?

Feel free to come and lecture the welsh when you have done more than win three home games and get bummed raw by the english

It does seem strange to me that Scotland won three home games, one of which was against Italy and now their fans are advising Wales and calling for Italy to be relegated. I worry they may regret such suggestions. Going by how their game against England went they appear to lack strength in depth, it would be awful if in 12 months time Scotland were to lose their place in the 6 nations!

Scotland lacking strength in depth is probably factual and not news.

But on a day where we'd have been third in the championship if they'd found the the phantom arm biter of Paris, and second if the charioteers hadn't suffered a wheels coming off moment, I think we can safely say this was a better performance than previously.

A win in Paris would have been nice and maybe even possible, and not being 13 points down in London after an early doors sin binning would have made that a very different game. But what happened, happened.

There really wasn't much to choose between any of the sides save Italy and England this year.

I wish Scotland well, I'd really love this to be a new era for them. But, it's always, if, if ,if... Some would have you believe they almost won the last World Cup!
I cannot help feeling that if they'd played their home games away and their away games at home, they could have lost all their games. Am I right in thinking that's how it goes next year?

Feel free to be complacent when your team won only two games, looked toothless and are dropping down the rankings at a rate of knots! YOu are well below Scotland now and were well beaten by scotland. I know that sort of thing hurts.

AA - don't be so sensitive 🙂 I know how much it hurts to follow a shit team but IMO if wales don't take radical action soon they will be where scotland were 5 years or more ago