I’ve known him since I was seven. He is a genuine, honest guy. However, some of his sincerely-held views are not ‘mainstream’, and combine that with his predilection to be sucked into an argument and an inability to climb down from whatever position he’s argued himself into, does not endear him to others, especially online.
I'm not trying to dwell on one (ex?)member but he was also just too bloody repetitive. Always the same subject matter, almost always the same arguments. TBH, I just got used to skipping his posts. I still think the pile-on was unseemly and unwarranted though (and repeatedly by the same cohort), especially as he was regularly mis-quoted and mis-interpreted. If he decides to come back, ask him to consider moderating his views as he should know that most of the culprits are still around.
I still think the pile-on was unseemly and unwarranted though (and repeatedly by the same cohort) especially as he was regularly mis-quoted and mis-interpreted.
I agree, and this combined with his argumentative hair-trigger and endlessly-picking-a-hill-to-die-on instinct made him an easy target. Again, sound like a certain countryman of yours?
If he decides to come back, ask him to consider moderating his views as he should know that most of the culprits are still around.
I think that a bit of moderation on both sides would be the fairer outcome, but yeah.
and regrets the fact that his opinion caused offence. It was not intended.
Whilst I wholly accept that this is third person reportage, it does have the whiff of the non-apology about it.
However, some of his sincerely-held views are not ‘mainstream’
Putting it mildly.
I still think the pile-on was unseemly and unwarranted though
when you repeatedly try to explain that something is black, (for the umpteenth time, regardless of how many times you've been shown that it's white) no matter how sincerely held your belief is, eventually people are going to laugh and point...He largely bought it upon himself, regardless of how "unfair" that was.
it does have the whiff of the non-apology about it.
Genuinely, that's not his style.
Coastkid....just thumbing through the new magazine and saw a pic of a fat bike at the beach and it reminded me. He had some great pics of beach riding... probably did more for fat bike sales than anybody!
On Geetee
I found his views utterly abhorrent however the pile on he got was unseemly and while I do not regret calling him out, with the benefit of that hindsight I went too far and caused him distress and that I do regret.
Basically I should have been big enough to make my point and walk away and I regret not doing so
Basically I should have been big enough to make my point and walk away
Genuinely, that's not your style.
Every day is a school day tho PP and I do try to not work myself up into a frothing rage nowadays
I found his views utterly abhorrent
I didn't, because it was clear from what I read he wasn't trying to be that way. Just easy to interpret what he said that way, if someone wanted to do so.
I never posted in a single one of his posts in his defence, because it would have been like volunteering to be a fish put into a barrel at an NRA party.
As far as I saw not once did he try to offend, but on countless occasions had to defend.
And the rest is history.
I’ve just seen a post, it was from Mrs Toast!
(poem for the day, I thank you)
I stopped posting for years because I got out of the habit - there was a phase of really obnoxious pop-up adverts (both legit and dodgy ones inserted by unscrupulous advertisers), some with auto playing audio/vids.
I’ve kept biking, albeit not as quite as often due to having a baby (who’s now nearly four and being taught to ride a bike).
I was highly amused to come back to see a post moaning about Planet X customer service, it was like I’d never left!
TheArtistFormerlyKnownAsSTR
Subscribermleh, I don’t post there any more, it’s too cliquey and I got even more grief on there than I do here 😂
mleh cliquey. That's an understatement for the ages.
We met up just before the C19 lock down. He said if there was an opportunity he would like to apologise to Rachel sincerely.
He never meant to upset her. He was going through a bad personal patch and regrets the fact that his opinion caused offence. It was not intended.Rachel (allthegear) if you’re reading this, I hope you can accept his apology.
She left. Largely because of Geetee if I remember correctly.
Lets not give him another kicking
Ooh is that a threat? Stay classy Drac, stay classy.
Classy!
It was a real shame about Rachel, she was always great to talk to, always came across as a genuinely lovely person, and I did try to offer encouragement to her at that time, I was genuinely sad that she left. ☹️
I used to talk to Fred on Fb after he left here, but after I while I found him a bit... challenging I guess, and stopped the contact. Stopped looking at Fb not long after as well, tbh.
from what I read he wasn’t trying to be that way
People who are racist, homophobic, misogyne, authoritarian, Tory, petrolhead or whatever often seem to lack the self-awareness that their views might offend and then get offended and passively aggressive (or just plain agressive) when they are called out. Take a look at the current Floyd thread, the old Brexit thread, even the Corona Virus thread.
8 years of posting controversial views with a common sensitive theme.
GeeTee1972
He definitely went off the rails. I remember thinking that whilst I didn’t agree with him he seemed decent enough and then he went all men’s lib... 🤷🏼♂️
Anyway, the main thing I remember about him was his hugely homo-erotique paging Dave thread, that was a classic...🤪🤣🤣🤣
She left. Largely because of Geetee if I remember correctly.
That doesn't really stack up though. Geetee was permanently banned in the course of the thread of complaint that she started, so he was gone, departed, left, no danger of him posting again.
Actually let's not kick him in his absence OR defend him.
He is an ex forum member.
He has ceased to be.
I met JY once after he was banned, he was quite a character.
Speaking of peters, what about peterpoddy, the motorcyclist from somewhere south?
Moved to Sheffield (and seems to have taken up running over riding if STAVA is anything to go by)
I’m going to add my friend faerie who seems to have been banned (for calling out racism).
Fight the power.
✊🏾✊🏿✊🏻
The Elton John and Jordan Peterson threads were classics too. Which reminds me of JimJam, the NI resident petrolhead (who I quite liked but felt obliged to argue with), Zulu Eleven/Rene something and various other incarnations.
faerie who seems to have been banned
WTAF ! Her earlier post on the avoiding racism thread was post of the day and the ones on the Floyd thread perfectly reasonable.
I miss davidtaylforth. Saddle to drop ratios have never been the same since he left.
And over ten years without falling out or arguing with anyone. Not even a reported post What am I doing wrong? Maybe I should be a mod! I don’t know how some of you do it. The internet and social media are not real life. Nobody wins. But then I seldom to politics or religion.
And I’d like Rachel back too.
The Elton John and Jordan Peterson threads were classics too.
The earliest example I remember of geetee sticking his head above the parapet was on the 'Dave' thread.
Which is interesting to reread, because some of the comments directed at geetee there are pretty borderline today, which seems a bit ironic in terms of how his departure played out.
I sometimes wondered if the great hack was real or if STW just decided that it would be best to just get rid of all the embarrassing old threads and posts and start afresh (edit: the hack was perhaps real but why was there no backup? ). Some of the stuff people posted in the 2000s wouldn't last seconds these days. Bike Magic disappeared completely, phew.
WTAF ! Her earlier post on the avoiding racism thread was post of the day and the ones on the Floyd thread perfectly reasonable.
And yet, she’s posted on IG she’s been banned...
Cynic-al best be watching out...
I’m going to add my friend faerie who seems to have been banned (for calling out racism).
I suspect not for the first time.
She had a very similar, although more restrained,style to a previous recipient of the banhammer.
Maybe not though...it’s conjecture on my part based on a feel for her posting style and a few shared details that my oddly wired brain picked up on.
It’s odd how some people come across with a distinctive style and are easily identified by it again and again. I believe the term is a shibboleth
Well if it was Shib' back I fell hook line and sinker.
Not what I meant Ed but he was a perfect example.
See also: Woppit
Faerie was not shibboleth but shiboleth was a name used by a serial bannee and returner
I know.
It had occurred to me that faerie was very similar to a previous poster who you met for a ride though.
There’s pictures and everything.
Faerie was banned for the protest thread comments WTF?
...and a quick check of Twitter confirms my suspicions.
Mark is unbanning her, it seems.
Faerie was banned for the protest thread comments
Banned for being a returning bannee who stuck her head above the parapet. Unbanned because she was actually making a valuable contribution..
Peterfile - used to do some great winter mountaineering and camping in his Terra Nova tent.
And Rorhshach
Faerie was banned for the protest thread comments WTF?
No, not at all.
Banned for being a returning bannee who stuck her head above the parapet
Just for info, what was faeries previous name on here?
Aweeshoe.
Nope. It means nothing to me...
Well if she's back as either Aweeshoe or Faerie that's good news. I hadn't made the connection but welcome the return.
oddly wired brain
That’s the thing, some us are ‘wired’ different. Not everyone is neurotypical.
I appreciate Mark's reprieve and invite to discuss the issues, it's a gesture that is welcome and shows a willingness to listen and discuss. I like the community that has been fostered on this forum, I've learned everything from how to fit tubeless tyres to which security camera to get. I've met and had the most fun I've had on a bike with people who I've met through the STW forum. It's certainly something to be proud of... Now, I'm not going to get all emotional.
I have never spoken with an agenda, I'm a cyclist (you've made me admit it) and a parent and some threads touch a nerve, I speak from the heart, experience and knowledge. I am autistic and I do try to be courteous, but I can see how that can appear shibboleth or blunt. I am sorry for offending people with my manner, please feel free to check me if I get it wrong again; but I do hope that I don't.
" . . . please feel free to check me if I get it wrong again"
Okay, but can we also tell you when you get it right?
Because that's an excellent, well thought-out response!
Nope. It means nothing to me…
Wasn’t that Midge Ure?
faerie
Member
Good to see you back!
Wasn’t that Midge Ure?
I set them up....
