For the umpteenth time, the altercation does not justify kicking a prone, motionless man in the head, nor pepper spraying an onlooker.
completely agree, but these were not nice gentlemen innocently passing their time at Manchester Airport . They attacked Police Officers
completely agree, but these were not nice gentlemen innocently passing their time at Manchester Airport . They attacked Police Officers
Again - not the guys in these videos. They've been released without charge.
Again – not the guys in these videos. They’ve been released without charge.
From the BBC.
Four men, aged 19, 25, 28 and 31, were arrested on suspicion of assault and affray and had since been bailed.
Four men, aged 19, 25, 28 and 31, were arrested on suspicion of assault and affray and had since been bailed.
Not the two brothers in the face kicking head stamping incident, they were released without charge.
So presumably there was little evidence that they had done anything wrong.
Again – not the guys in these videos. They’ve been released without charge.
Provide a source. Because I can't find any reference. Specifically to the 'without charge' part.
And if it was without charge the police would have summarised that in their press release, the solicitor doesn't mention 'without charge' he states once realised they had make their own way to hospital.
So I'd caution about spreading that unless you can confirm it.
There's two elements at play here, a suspected assault of which the officers were called to, which was then compounded by alleged assaults on them and the associated affray. Then the context around that use of force in response to that incident.
They very well may be violent shitheads who decided to have a dustup at the airport and then smashed a police officer in the face.
That should be dealt with as is the law.
And any of the cops who overreached should also be held accountable. It's not an either or situation.
Violent shitheads shouldn't get a pass because a cop may also be one.
completely agree, but these were not nice gentlemen innocently passing their time at Manchester Airport
They probably started out that way. One issue that Manchester Airport has had for years is large family groups assisting a single airport passenger. For context, 160 FPNs were issued at the airport for associated breaches of COVID regs up to March '21. British Transport Police issued 215 for the whole rail network between March'20 and Feb'22
This in no way excuses anyone's conduct in 2024, but it hopefully adds another brush stroke to the picture
Like most airports there's little trouble airside because people are identifiable and have been searched, the bars are open though 🙂
A journo on Twitter -
https://twitter.com/RespectIsVital/status/1816446649931014460
Reading it back, there IS ambiguity, I'm not sure now if he's saying they WERE released without charge and GMP need to say that, or whether he's asking GMP to say whether or not it's without charge - not sure if GMP will be saying much of anything with an investigation into their own conduct ongoing. Would suspects arrested on suspicision of assaulting armed police normally be released? I haven't seen the word bail mentioned anywhere.
I haven’t seen the word bail mentioned anywhere.
Assuming procedures haven't been changed, they've possibly either been "released under investigation" (RUI) or told that there isn't a case to answer
RUI and bail are different, people on bail can have conditions imposed on their "freedom". RUI is a simple release while the investigation continues. RUI is contentious because it's potentially without end, possibly something that Labour will address??
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No involvement
Do the investigating independently
Thank you for the insight. Can't be an easy time for the police right now! 🙁
The terrorist inferences are dog whistle racism again. Look - brown people fighting, must be terrorists! Being a dick is an equal opportunity thing, mostly men, mostly young.
RUI and bail are different, people on bail can have conditions imposed on their “freedom”. RUI is a simple release while the investigation continues. RUI is contentious because it’s potentially without end, possibly something that Labour will address??
RUI was brought in because people could be on bail (police bail) indefinitely but with conditions. RUI is needed because under the law at present you can’t be arrested, set free whilst the investigation continues and then be re-arrested for the same thing with no real change in evidence - that would be an abuse of process. There has to be some facility to allow arrest and release whilst the investigation continues as some times it can take months to get hold of evidence post-arrest.
The officer is facing a criminal investigation, which tells its own story, something that has always been a big no-no is kicking or stamping the head, especially in this scenario where he had just deployed his taser and the victim was under the effects of that at the time of the head kicking, i can't see any reason for that kick and stamp, not even terrorist related, as he'd never have deployed a taser if that was the threat.
Still, i've only seen the two clips doing the round, nothing prior to the guy being prone on the floor, i'm not sure GMP are seeing it either as they're initiating criminal charges!
they’re initiating criminal charges!
I don't think they are, yet
where he had just deployed his taser and the victim was under the effects of that at the time of the head kicking,
Doesn't being rigid during a tazering actually make the head kick much more potentially dangerous?
Still, i’ve only seen the two clips doing the round, nothing prior to the guy being prone on the floor, i’m not sure GMP are seeing it either as they’re initiating criminal charges
4 people have been arrested and bailed on suspicion of assault and affray
The police officer has been suspend pending investigation. If anything the 4 on bail are closer to being charged than anyone
4 people have been arrested and bailed on suspicion of assault and affray
And a further two released without charge.
We keep hearing about 4 officers in hospital -GB news listed them as 'serious' though no other channel or report as claimed likewise.
Any altercation, for example officer scrapes knee arresting someone is sent to hospital, and we hear that a lot, only we also hear they're released a couple of hours later, which is more akin to having something cleaned and dressed, because if it was serious they'd be kept in, and the police would quickly report that, which they havent. So from that we can possibly surmise was a routine HSE check over as per their regulations/union.
As to the broken nose. Will we find that to be the actual case or is it a bit of swelling, nowt broken, keep off the charlie for a few weeks.
If it is indeed the case, thankfully the police federation have a very generous compensation plan in place which is between £12,990 and £28220 for a broken nose, as it is classed as a severe injury.
If theres a moderate case of PTSD from it, we can add another £10,000-£30,000 on top of that. Moderately severe it starts at 30k and goes up to 70k.
Admittedly, as a white, middle class bloke my interactions with the Police have been peaceful and non-confrontational, but it always amazes me on Police related threads the level of hate and distrust.
Some of you must have had some pretty shitty experiences to be that jaded.
(And yes, looks to me that the copper in this case has probably broken the law and should be punished)
I’ve broken my nose a few times. Wish I could’ve received that sort of pay out each time plus compensation. Id be mortgage free!
Im genuinely interested in seeing the overall outcome of this. The stampy man is definitely out of order and the footage further up this page seems to show a guy being pepper sprayed and taken down for little reason. All difficult to parse without full context of the overall situation. Stamping on someone’s head is a shit thing to do regardless and should be thoroughly investigated. For all we know there could be a badly injured cop, made that way by the guy who got kicked in the head. Their colleague was angry/distraught and did something terrible in the heat of the moment. Or the cop is just a thug and kicked a tasered man in the head. All guess work based on a bit of footage.
I honestly don't understand what has happened to the Daily Mail recently. As the Daily Telegraph appears to slip further into the gutter with every passing day the Daily Mail keeps surprising me with reasonable reporting which I don't expect from them. Have they had a change of editor?
Yesterday the Daily Mail appeared to castigate the Chief Constable of Manchester for releasing what they called a "tone deaf statement" on airport fracas because he claimed only 'some communities' were upset by the 'stamping' video.
And today they publish a perfectly reasonable report about today's Tommy Robinson led demonstration in London actually leading on the counter demonstration rather than on the "patriotic demo".
From the perspective of someone who was on the counter demonstration I thought their reporting was extremely fair. I particularly like how they describe us as "anti-racists" rather than a left-wing mob or Marxist thugs, and I also like how they describe Stephen Lennon supporters chants as islamophobic rather than as patriotic slogans.
It's all a bit strange!
For all we know there could be a badly injured cop, made that way by the guy who got kicked in the head. Their colleague was angry/distraught and did something terrible in the heat of the moment. Or the cop is just a thug and kicked a tasered man in the head.
Either way still potentially criminal acts.
Some of you just don't get it, when you're a uniformed, trained and empowered individual who is authorised to use force you have to meet higher standards.
Force must be proportionate and justifiable to the perceived threat and you should be trained and conditioned suitably to operate in that function and manage the risks that you will potentially face.
Some of you must have had some pretty shitty experiences to be that jaded.
Maybe, or some have concerns at the perceived lack of scrutiny and transparency. Or actually have an understanding of the responsibility that comes with legally carrying firearms and being empowered to use force in varying degrees.
I've had varying degrees of interactions professionally with the police in the UK, from scooping up errant troops who've been dickheads to conducting Op Temperer patrols and supporting their training and I have the utmost respect for the profession, however I'm more than happy to call it as I see as when they fall short, be that aggressive kicks to the to the head, of fat useless pricks who are out of breath getting out of a car.
They must be accountable at all times for their actions, and maybe some of these recent issues stem from a lack of appropriate resourcing and selection and training, but I hold the same opinion of my former profession and cringe every time some **** goes rogue and ends up taking a massive shit on the hard work and professionalism of the whole.
Errors in judgement happen, but you don't get to walk away from the consequences of that with a shrug of the shoulders, even more so when you are empowered to carry firearms.
I honestly don’t understand what has happened to the Daily Mail recently. As the Daily Telegraph appears to slip further into the gutter with every passing day the Daily Mail keeps surprising me with reasonable reporting which I don’t expect from them. Have they had a change of editor?
Yesterday the Daily Mail appeared to castigate the Chief Constable of Manchester for releasing what they called a “tone deaf statement” on airport fracas because he claimed only ‘some communities’ were upset by the ‘stamping’ video.
The Mail has always had spasms of good journalism here and there - best known example was its dogged pursuit of the Stephen Lawrence killers. But it's like seeing the occasional fish jumping out of a river of shit.
If it is indeed the case, thankfully the police federation have a very generous compensation plan in place which is between £12,990 and £28220 for a broken nose, as it is classed as a severe injury.
If theres a moderate case of PTSD from it, we can add another £10,000-£30,000 on top of that. Moderately severe it starts at 30k and goes up to 70k.
I know you hate the police and especially women but why make stuff up? She'll be lucky to get anything.
Turns out its not as told
First footage emerging of what led to the Manchester Airport Incident... pic.twitter.com/tuxzhd23LP
— Football Fights (@footbalIfights) July 27, 2024
Well that's pretty incriminating. Not sure about the 'not as told' claim though, what were we told?
Funny how different it all looks when an independent view is shown. I presume this is airport cctv.
Let’s hope those attacking the police get charged and convicted
That’s quite spicy..
They should definitely get charged for that. Doesn’t condone the following behaviour but it explains why Andy Burnham didn’t immediately come out and condemn the police (though did describe the footage as shocking from memory). Can only assume he saw this footage at the time.
More than happy to adjsut my view on seeing that, higher degree of ambiguity now and a very rapid escalation by Punchy McPuncher in the blue.
Taser has been deployed and used so looks like the cop had two choices to maintain control; physical force or a firearm.
Looks like he chose the less lethal option as uncomfortable a watch as it is.
Doesn't excuse the kick but sure as hell explains it. I think the kick happened a second or 2 after that clip ended, adrenaline must have been pumping and as I said scroaty mcscroat face wasnt actually restrained at that point, just incapacitated by the taser. He recovered use of his arms and legs 10 seconds after this if you watch the other footage so I'm guessing the kick / stamp was an inappropriate attempt to keep him down given the ferocity of the way he assaulted the officers.
Doesn’t excuse the kick but sure as hell explains it.
I now think it does-ish.
The situation wasn't contained and I'm sure that cop will argue that he felt if that individual got up there'd be a continuation of the assault. He used ad-hoc less than lethal as he'd deployed his taser.
I'm more than happy to do an about turn after seeing that footage, it's brutal and uncomfortable but I can think of a number of countries where the fella in blue would be perforated for that conduct on a cop.
Can now see why the family are calling for calm and not blood.
Makes the compo face tiktok seem even more ridiculous now.
I know you hate the police and especially women
Not sure where you're reading that from, I dont hate women, quite the contrary, especially nurses. Perhaps you are not astute as you like to think you are.
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And I again disagree with you again, I respect the police, though I've had my run in with a few.
That said, I will say I have a deep disregard for authority, but only when it's being misused or abused.
But what interests me here is why do you want to make this thread about me and how I feel about anything.Perhaps you should just stick to the topic at hand.
"Yet some that be that take delight
To judge folks thought for envy and spite,
But whether they judge me wrong or right,
I am as I am and so do I write. "
Not sure where you’re reading that from, I dont hate women, quite the contrary, especially nurses. Perhaps you are not astute as you like to think you are.
Umm...
Really, I presume that is a joke? I'm not sexist, I love women as nurses. Not as cops obviously, they just wind everyone up.
Doesn’t excuse the kick but sure as hell explains it
Definitely
Not the two brothers in the face kicking head stamping incident, they were released without charge.
Somehow I don't think that's true is it? Maybe wait for the facts to surface in future before making statements that you can't verify.
I honestly don’t understand what has happened to the Daily Mail recently. As the Daily Telegraph appears to slip further into the gutter with every passing day the Daily Mail keeps surprising me with reasonable reporting which I don’t expect from them. Have they had a change of editor?
Tip top tip. Don’t read the comments section though.
Looks like the guy in grey chinned his mum
This shows a couple of seconds after the X video above. Sky blue guy grabs the male cop from behind and then seems to be tased by one of the other cops. He falls to the floor as the cop gets to his feet, then sky blue moves to get up or something and cop immediately kicks him, as relapsed_mandolorian says, as 'adhoc less than lethal'.
I thought this looked really bad for the cop, but the original video was cut to start just as sky blue hits the floor after attacking the officer, to make it look like he was kicked out of the blue, when the officer who kicked him was actually being held in a headlock by the same guy less than 3 seconds earlier. Now I think it's actually justified. Cop had just been attacked by multiple people and had to keep one of them on the ground by any means necessary.
Looks like the guy in grey chinned his mum
In fairness she lost the ticket.
That MEN video gives even more context, I'm now OK with what the officer did, he tasered the guy in blue from the floor I think, as soon as the officer got upright he kicked him to make sure he stayed down as the guy in blue was not restrained and clearly running on adrenaline at the very least given the brutality he displayed without provocation.
Tip top tip. Don’t read the comments section though.
On the contrary I like to. For a limited period of time - it gets too much after a while.
Unsurprisingly the comments can sometimes be rather critical, from a right-wing perspective, of the way the Daily Mail articles are written
