Can’t head injury be a cause of cyst on the brain?
It could be, though I think they'd more likely describe it as a lesion? brain cysts are not as uncommon as you might think and often totally benign.
But it could be due to the blow to the head, they'll have an idea from the location whether it likely is or not, but certainly the blows like that in the video could cause a membrane to rupture and fill with fluid.
If that was the case and it resulted in brain damage of any sort, eg trauma related epilepsy is possible after brain injury, then I imagine there is going to be a big compensation claim coming
Just seen 50p Lee on the news. He's an absolutely cretinous turbo-c*** isn't he?
And a massive hypocrite, which is not news.
Edit: in case that doesn't load for anyone, as it hasn't for me, it's Anderson fronting a "One Punch Can Kill" awareness campaign in 2021. Predumambly he was campaiging against people hitting each other, but who knows.
Can’t head injury be a cause of cyst on the brain?
Yeah, but not instantaneously, unless it's been misdescribed.
Why is that gobshite Anderson constantly on the news? It's not his constituency, and he's part of a tiny party of idiots and con-men. Just because someone is willing to be quoted on something doesn't mean you should quote him.
Unless there was a real and immediate threat to life, kicking someone in the head when they are on the ground seems out of all proportion, and quite possibly illegal.
Though if being a copper was simple and straight forward, we’d all do it.
Nope. some of us decidedly ago to do something more useful, where shit decisions from above could be questioned.
Why is that gobshite Anderson constantly on the news?
Probably so that soundbite can be shared across various platforms to generate clicks?
There will be some fine upstanding citizens masturbating themselves into a frothing frenzy over it no doubt.
All we need is a comment from Farage and Robinson and we have the trifecta of weapons grade bellends.
Goodness - here's footage of cops going through the red shirt chap's pockets.
https://twitter.com/mikecmorgan/status/1816226227776282780
The icing on this entire sorry affair is that the solicitor representing the guy who's head was stamped on also appears to be an absolute weapons grade bell end.
@Tom-B that interview felt very 'American' that's for sure. Same with the compoface tik toks.
Yeah, but not instantaneously, unless it’s been misdescribed.
I'm not sure that's true- a cyst would form if fluid built up after membrane damage, could increase in size as it fills up
(my nephew was recently diagnosed with epilepsy and a cyst has been fine in a ct scan, so I've been chatting to docs about this)
@Tom-B that interview felt very ‘American’ that’s for sure. Same with the compoface tik toks.
I mean he falsely accused a teacher of racism, naming her and her school online, prompting the inevitable death threats that females get targeted with in these instances. It was a total fabrication and he's refused to apologise.
Being a cop must be shit. Kick someone in the head, you’re a monster. Let them grab your gun and shoot about a bit, you’re incompetent.
But can we believe anything they say ?, which is pretty much how it goes when they're in the wrong and attempting to prove justification for their actions.
Hillsborough for example.
David Duckenfield, South Yorkshire police chief superintendent, claimed the Liverpool fans were the ones that opened the gate. Turns out he authorized its opening himself. Or how these fans were drunk and non compliant which turned out to be a pack of lies.
Or Jean Charles de Menezes
They said he was challenged and refused to obey and then ran off, and how he was wearing a thick padded jacket on a hot day which they said they believed might be concealing an explosive device, so their suspicion of him was justified. which were complete fabrications,but was in fact wearing a thin denim jacket. they further claimed he had jumped the barrier and ran down the escalator, when in fact he walked through the barrier and slowly down the stairs.
He hadn't been challenged right up until the seconds before they emptied they guns into his head,
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It's no longer Dixon of Dock green, but a force trained overwhelm anyone with force of violence.
Stephen Lennon has for a while been planning a large demonstration in London this Saturday, I don't know whether recent events in Manchester are likely to significantly swell the number of his supporters, or counter demonstrators, I suspect that it might
https://standuptoracism.org.uk/sat-27-july-protest-unite-against-fascist-tommy-robinson-london/
I’m not sure that’s true- a cyst would form if fluid built up after membrane damage, could increase in size as it fills up
I'm sure head trauma can produce a subarachnoid cyst, but the formation of a cyst sac takes time. Brain scans often turn up incidental findings, sometimes without providing the necessary context for families who are understandably stressed out about the primary reason the scan was ordered.
Presumably the guy's lawyer believes that the cyst is relevant to the assault otherwise I can't see the point of mentioning it at the impromptu news conference. And if he does you would hope that it is based on medical advice which he has received.
I have just seen one news website describing the situation as the man "fighting for his life", I didn't think that it was that serious and I'm hoping that it is hyperbole
Presumably the guy’s lawyer believes that the cyst is relevant to the assault otherwise I can’t see the point of mentioning it at the impromptu news conference
Cysts and abscesses are usually the result of a previous injury that has healed, at least partly i think. While i was doing college for meat inspection at Glasgow abattoir we would see these types of things. Site of injections or previous injury, although usually just below the skin, or buried deep in the muscle,or even in some of the organs like the lungs or liver.
So I think as a matter of course, and being walloped in the napper is going to produce a bad headache, a trip to a+e would be something family would insist upon. Then finding a cyst might just be coincidental, and its been there for a long time.
I think if actual damage had been done at the time, it would be in the form of a clot or a bleed.
Presumably the guy’s lawyer believes that the cyst is relevant to the assault otherwise I can’t see the point of mentioning it at the impromptu news conference. And if he does you would hope that it is based on medical advice which he has received
Its a good job lawyers, as a profession, are renowned for their honesty and integrity and are never referred to with prefixes like ‘ambulance chaser…’. I believe they’re up there with GPs and your parish priest when it comes to trustworthiness. This particular one looks like the very beacon of probity, not at all predisposed towards hyperbole or exaggeration or like he’s loving every second in front of the TV cameras.
In the absence of all the facts, I think at this point we probably need to take what comes out from both sides with the usual side order of salt
I mean he falsely accused a teacher of racism, naming her and her school online, prompting the inevitable death threats that females get targeted with in these instances. It was a total fabrication and he’s refused to apologise.
This I did not know. He sounds and acts like an absolute whopper.
I have just seen one news website describing the situation as the man “fighting for his life”, I didn’t think that it was that serious and I’m hoping that it is hyperbole
Unless he's deteriorated suddenly, he looked OK in the video he released via his lawyer as soon as he was released, in fact, he looked way better than I expected given the awful kicking he took in the video...the mere fact that there's a lawyer all over the media so quickly makes my skin itch though. Ambulance chasing at it's finest.
the mere fact that there’s a lawyer all over the media so quickly makes my skin itch though. Ambulance chasing at it’s finest.
I'm pretty sure that same lawyer has also been involved in other controversial cases, he does seem like a massive dick
Can’t help thinking there’s a certain amount of “**** around, find out” involved here, but I’ll be keen to hear the justification for kicking someone in the head when they’re on the ground.
I'm going to reserve judgment until I hear the facts.
Presumably the guy’s lawyer believes that the cyst is relevant to the assault
Relevant to his client's future compensation case, certainly.
TBH people who get booted in the head to that degree should probably be awarded extra up front even if there is no immediate evidence of lasting damage, given what we are learning about the legacy of head injuries. And any police officer who views that as an acceptable way to subdue someone should have to pay it personally.
The lawyer is definitely giving off a certain vibe…
I believe they’re up there with GPs and your parish priest when it comes to trustworthiness.
You don't trust GPs? I wasn't aware that as a profession they had a reputation for being dishonest or somehow untrustworthy.
If there has been no medical advice that the cyst on the brain could have been caused by the assault then it will be undoubtedly incredibly easy to refute - those investigating the assault will obviously have access to all the medical reports.
Slightly random tangent occurred to me, but if the copper is sacked or convicted of an offence, would Lee Anderthal's statement that the public want more of this type of Policing count as bringing Parliament into disrepute and need to be dealt with by the Parliamentary watchdog.
And even more intriguingly, would Farages totally incorrect comments about the Leeds riot qualify as racist hate speech?
those investigating the assault will obviously have access to all the medical reports.
Those handling the compensation claim certainly will.
So, we’ve a short video of a longer messy interaction & a cock womble of a solicitor with form for fabrication - it’s not like we know an awful lot about what went on is it? If that officer is guilty of any criminal activity then they should be punished without question. But how about we wait a bit before jumping all over GMP? Innocent before etc..
Yeah, it’s not like anyone has ever released a very selectively edited video onto social media, wrenched out of context of a bigger picture, to convey a certain message
We don’t know much but we do know that 3 police officers required hospital treatment, one female officer with a broken nose
Theres no video (yet) of how that happened, but it’s probably safe to assume all 3 of them didn’t trip up over a clumsily placed Ferrero Rocher display in duty free
But how about we wait a bit before jumping all over GMP?
Has anyone actually done that?
Edit: To be fair I haven't been following the thread that closely so it is a genuine question.
You don’t trust GPs? I wasn’t aware that as a profession they had a reputation for being dishonest or somehow untrustworthy.
I am detecting a hint of sarcasm in Binners' post. Hard to believe, I know. GPs are right up there with journalists when it comes to safeguarding truth and freedom.
would Lee Anderthal’s statement that the public want more of this type of Policing count as bringing Parliament into disrepute and need to be dealt with by the Parliamentary watchdog.
Likely to be an accurate comment about the views of those who sent him to Parliament.
@binners we can’t pass comment on what we haven’t seen. Currently there is no video showing what caused the officers to need hospital treatment.
We have seen a video of a man lying prone, not resisting arrest, being kicked in the face and being stamped on.
We have seen the video with the man recording what was happening, we have seen the police officer pepper spray him from very close range, then two police officers take him down.
I personally think that it is ok to pass judgement on what we have seen.
What we have read from the GMP does not equate to what has been seen. We absolutely should be questioning the validity of their statements. It’s just as safe to assume that the person lying on the floor was already restrained, complying with the instructions, and was theen booted in the face. Maybe the officer was trying to remove the Ferrero Roche from the persons mouth?
I am detecting a hint of sarcasm in Binners’ post
Fairy nuff. I am glad that as a good Catholic boy he trusts his parish priest. I wonder which of the sermons he has listened to he believes the most?
It was the lumping of GPs and parish priests together what threw me and caused me to miss the sarcasm
The GMP are second only to the Met in their casual disregard of standards of honesty and probity. At times their combined attitude to being as shitty an organisation as they can possibly be by comparison amounts to "Hold my pint"
Public perception in that video is undeniably poor
I listened to the solicitor demanding "arrests" last night. Nothing that I saw would pass the necessity test that couldn't at this stage be dealt with by removal from duties in some form or another; I wasn't impressed by him either
A major UK airport is the world's worst place for anyone to do something stupid, with CCTV and mobile phones everywhere, so we're either suspicious or fired up when a limited selection of video is released, notably by one side in this
Andy Burnham's comments were interesting, "fast-moving and complicated" and not "clear cut"
Summer is riot season, the people of Greater Manchester will suffer far more from those than from this one incident, especially as other groups will be just waiting to counter-demonstrate
The best thing that can happen is for the media furore to die down ASAP and allow a proper investigation to take place.
Do they have less issues in germany where the polizei seem to ask questions later , they also seem to have a penchant for water cannoning and teargassing mobs who turn up and try to get their mates out of the nick by intimidatory gatherings also
I have just seen another two and a half minute video of the arrests and imo it was fairly distressing, especially the mother watching it all and not knowing what to do with another family member telling her not to get involved.
I knew it was claimed that the uncle of the two arrested is a serving police officer but apparently a third brother of the two brothers is also a serving police officer, so not a family which you would expect to be hostile towards the police.
Fahir’s solicitor, Akhmed Yakoob, said on Friday that the teenager had been referred to a neurologist after a CT scan showed a cyst on his brain.
Asked by the Guardian whether he believed the alleged brain injury was linked to the incident, he said: “That is something a medical professional would have to answer but as far as I know I’ve spoken to the consultant and they’re saying it could be related to the injuries at the airport.”
we can’t pass comment on what we haven’t seen. Currently there is no video showing what caused the officers to need hospital treatment.
@w00dster - that was my point. We've seen a snippet of what is no doubt a longer video which has just been put out via social media with no context of the bigger picture
I'm sure theres plenty of other video footage from whatever happened earlier, from CCTV, body worn cameras etc, but GMP have to follow legal procedures and don't have the luxury of just chucking selective, out-of-context stuff onto Twiter and Tik Tok. Thankfully.
So I'm personally reserveing judgement until I've seen the evidence from both sides. Obviousy in no way am I excusing the brutality of the police officer which is absolutely horrendous, but its going to be very interesting to see what led up to that, which I'm sure we'll get in due course
I listened to the solicitor demanding “arrests” last night. Nothing that I saw would pass the necessity test that couldn’t at this stage be dealt with by removal from duties in some form or another; I wasn’t impressed by him either
I sort of agree, but only because there's a nuance between questioning someone (which one way or another will have happened) and arresting someone which starts the clock for either releasing them or charging them, which could make things worse.
If that had been anyone other than a police officer in any other workplace, and witnessed by the police would you have expected them to be 'well, his boss will look into it and let us know'.
Andy Burnham’s comments were interesting, “fast-moving and complicated” and not “clear cut”
That doesn't instill confidence, the event has already happened. The only* things that change now are peoples post-hoc rationalizations.
Andy Burnham’s comments were interesting, “fast-moving and complicated” and not “clear cut”
That doesn’t instill confidence, the event has already happened. The only* things that change now are peoples post-hoc rationalizations.
I'm guessing Andy Burnham, with having ultimate oversight over GMP, knows far more about the situation than we do - as we've presently only seen the 'evidence' from one side - so his comments are based on that
I’m not sure why either The Guardian or anybody else is treating that solicitor as a credible source of information.
Indeed. I'd be viewing anything he has to say with deep suspicion. His little social media campaign seemed to be fully prepared and all up and running by the time the first video came out, which is very dubious in itself.
I'm not a legal expert, but I suspect that reputable legal representatives don't generally conduct their initial business via Tik Tok
That doesn't explain why the Guardian are treating him as a credible source of information
If the family have instructed him, I assume he's the point of contact for the media and there won't BE anyone else for them to speak to to get their side.
Edit - Given the tensions around the story and his status as a qualified and acting solicitor, I would imagine forvlegal reasons they'd be reluctant to append any quotes with "Mind you, we don't fully trust him".
That doesn’t explain why the Guardian are treating him as a credible source of information
I've just read the Guardian article and they're simply quoting what he said in an interview with Radio 4, which as their acting solicitor isn't something unusual to do.
They're simply reporting what he said, not passing judgement on whether its credible or not. People can make their own minds up about that
