“the vast majority of decent Brits would applaud this type of policing”,
Lee Anderson, Reform aka The Leopards Eating Peoples Face's Party, speaking for a handful of morons that he things are a vast majority.
Is there any evidence of the police injuries or is this another “he jumped the barriers” smokescreen to deflect attention for as long as the news cycle demands?
Lee Anderson, Reform aka The Leopards Eating Peoples Face’s Party, speaking for a handful of morons that he things are a vast majority.
There's a keen barometer as to how in touch with public opinion he is as demonstrated by the 42 million voters who selected any party other than his three weeks ago.
Conspiracy theorists are already claiming these videos aren’t from Manchester Airport, they’re from the Strictly Ballroom training studios.
I'd heard it was the Olympic horse dancing team on their way to Paris
Based on his temperament and physicality, that guy is a terrible choice for police at Manchester airport. By the way he puts the boot in, he'd be much more use as a baggage handler.
There was no taking hold of an arm and issuing a ‘you’re under arrest’ and then asking to turn around, and cuffing him
How do you know all that hadn’t already happened? Fact is they were still hanging around after probably being asked to vacate the area.
Call me old fashioned but if the Police asked me to do something I’d do it
There were accounts last night that the police started trying to take phones from bystanders to prevent footage emerging. I was wondering when those videos would appear.
I don't know where in the airport this took place, but taking phones from bystanders (not participants) because they might have filmed something?
Legal to do? Filming in a public place non-covertly is legal - although airports do have no photography signs in some places.
Practical for someone about to travel internationally? Most people under 40, that phone contains their boarding pass, is how they will be spending money abroad, its probably the only way they are going to successffully leave their destination airport. Hell, even if this was in arrivals, leaving the airport via public transport or uber or taxi will need your phone, and some cars these days will need it too.
If the bystander has committed no crime (or no suspicion thereof), how can police confiscate their phone? It would be less of an intrusion to put them in the cells for the night.
Had he been throwing punches/kicks to the head of the Police 30 seconds before, or trying to get their firearm? Personally I didnt see anything wrong with how they got him to the ground.
You don't know what he was doing 30 seconds prior.
He's got his hands behind his head and is getting to the floor.... Not easy to do without the use of your hands (given he has been told to keep them behind his head) and then gets booted in the stomach for it.
Jumped up cop who thinks he's more Special Army Soldier than Police.
Have we all seen the sequel?
Seen a longer clip of that on Reddit and I referred to it in the OP. Seemed way over the top from the officers given the body language of the two guys who were cornered and being submissive.
@funkydunc I equally don't know the order of events, but if I had seen a police officer punch an old lady in the face, or kick a man in the face when he's on the floor - no I wouldn't vacate the area. I would be filming like the person in the video was.
Attacking armed Police is mindbogglingly stupid - a suitably swift and painful response would be expected.
I`m pretty sure the Police officer will argue he was establishing control and order whilst being attacked by multiple people; and he did exactly that.
Nobody else was going to interfere with the Police after the officer stamped (and kicked ) his authority.
One thing the intraweb has shown me is that there are people who would pay good money to be tazed and kicked by a
manwoman in big boots.
"the vast majority of decent Brits would applaud this type of policing",
**** off, would they.
Although I'm guessing that irc and grimep would approve.
Attacking armed Police is mindbogglingly stupid – a suitably swift and painful response would be expected.
As has been pointed out before, the video shows him lying prone and still on the floor.
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Conspiracy theorists are already claiming these videos aren’t from Manchester Airport, they’re from the Strictly Ballroom training studios.
I’d heard it was the Olympic horse dancing team on their way to Paris
If that's the case then it was probably fair game.
I`m pretty sure the Police officer will argue he was establishing control and order whilst being attacked by multiple people
I'm pretty sure of that, too. Question is whether it's plausible and that'll need to be established very carefully, preferably in a court - same as whether the (?family) group involved actually did what has been alleged
I fully accept that policing is tough and they need to get control of a situation, but that boot to the head while the guy was on the ground, hands behind his back and not attempting to get up while there are 4 police to two guys is quite incredible. Especially as the situation wasn't quite out of control enough to prevent someone else sneaking up behind to validate their parking. I suspect that officer isn't quite in control enough to be safe with the public
As someone who has a healthy degree of respect for the job cops do, especially armed officers (I have mates who've gone that route from the forces) this video makes me uncomfortable.
The cop appears to already have control of the individual on the ground, if he started to break that and fails to comply then the taser is a perfectly legal & authorised form of maintaining compliance & control.
I'm not sure striking the head is, I'm pretty sure any physical blows to the head of any kind are a no no for cops.
I acknowledge risk of being rendered weaponless which is what is claimed nearly happening earlier in the altercation, in that moment a strike to the head or other vulnerable point might be justified, even another armed offer engaging with lethal force. But that doesn't appear to be the context in this moment.
Pains me to say this, but from what I've seen that fella crossed a line. But I remain open to being wrong.
Longer video of the sequel where police are taking phones from bystanders.
https://www.reddit.com/r/manchester/s/rCzRtX3NZQ
Especially as the situation wasn’t quite out of control enough to prevent someone else sneaking up behind to validate their parking.
Have you seen the price of parking when you’re picking up from Manchester Airport? I’d risk getting shot to get my ticket validated, rather than wait another ten minutes
How do you know all that hadn’t already happened? Fact is they were still hanging around after probably being asked to vacate the area.
Is using pepper spray on a guy standing there justified if you've asked him to turn round and he doesn't?
Call me old fashioned but if the Police asked me to do something I’d do it
There's really no evidence thus far to suggest the two men in the main video did anything else.
Mr Yakoob said the medical condition of the man who was kicked, who he named as Fahir Amaaz, had worsened overnight and "a CT scan has revealed there is a cyst on his brain".
The solicitor also revealed the brothers are family members of a serving GMP officer.
Interesting info on the beeb
The solicitor also revealed the brothers are family members of a serving GMP officer.
Awks. Although for balance, he might ****ing hate his family member and the cops prior to this.
The solicitor also revealed the brothers are family members of a serving GMP officer.
That makes everything ok then, obvs outstanding members of society. Obviously beating up armed Police Officers was completely out of character for them
Cyst bit is weird too, aren't they slow growing? Could it be that his behaviour was being influenced by this cyst affecting his brain?
Maybe that's what made him lie face down on the floor?
With the help of a rifle butt
Mando up there pretty much sums up my take on this, I've zero time for the utter scum who assaulted armed officers in a security zone in an airport, deserve everything they get. But in terms of behaviour from the copper I do think he crossed the line, it really looked like a revenge kick, understandable but he's a police officer and an armed one at that, they really can't afford to lose their shit. He could have got away with almost anything up to and possibly shooting the guy as part of the take downbut kicking the prone guy in the head on the floor was never going to be acceptable.
It's also enabled the protests in Manchester once again undermining the legitimacy of the police, for that the officer also needs to be held accountable.
Have we seen the video of the officers being assaulted and what leads to it?
I’m guessing that must exist?
Have we seen the video of the officers being assaulted and what leads to it?
I’m guessing that must exist?
I say this without judgement, but it's doubtful that it will surface or if it does not get much traction if it provides a contrary picture/narrative to the one we currently have. I'm sure if it has more wrongdoing from the cops it'll surface for sure.
Something may be seen if the police release the bodycam and/or CCTV footage. Which I'd encourage in time for transparency once investigations and sanctions have concluded. But there's a good track record with that sort of thing, an opportunity for the new Home Secretary to give some firm direction maybe?
Cyst bit is weird too, aren’t they slow growing? Could it be that his behaviour was being influenced by this cyst affecting his brain?
Cyst could mean a lot of things, could be an injury caused by the blows to the head though I thought they'd have said was a lesion? , but quite often they can be benign and people dont know they are there until they have a scan for whatever reason. Also possible it could be affecting his behaviour but unlikely, they'll know from whatever region it's in whether it's likely to be the case.
My friend who's a former senior copper in GMP says however much the lid may have deserved it, the copper will have known they'd no justification for it and that he's going to be fired.
I think it will, or elements will - purely speculative, but I get the sense that something substantial DID kick off and I guess that'll be made clear, which is only right and proper. What I suspect it won't do is justify the actions in this video, I think matey has lashed out in the wrong direction.
Being a cop must be shit. Kick someone in the head, you’re a monster. Let them grab your gun and shoot about a bit, you’re incompetent. I wasn’t there so won’t pass any judgement on what they did.
Being a cop must be shit. Kick someone in the head, you’re a monster. Let them grab your gun and shoot about a bit, you’re incompetent. I wasn’t there so won’t pass any judgement on what they did.
I'd agree with that, but in this instance, if you watch the video you can see the officer has deployed his taser, and the guy on the floor has gone rigid with both legs and arms as he's getting a kick to the head, there may be an explanation, but it'll have to be a bloody good one to get the officer out of this one.
Being a cop must be shit. Kick someone in the head, you’re a monster. Let them grab your gun and shoot about a bit, you’re incompetent. I wasn’t there so won’t pass any judgement on what they did.
With no due respect, you kinda did just pass some kind of judgement.... You're assuming the guy was grabbing for the gun. There's no evidence of that.
The only evidence we have is that some guy, who was obviously not in a position to defend himself, let alone grab at or attack someone got a face full of toe cap.
I watched it again for clairty, in better resolution and slow motion.
For accuracy, he kicked, then stamped. So two strikes to the head of a prone subject, who moments before the strike turned his head from looking away from the officer to lifting it up.
Arms and legs still prone and straight with no sudden movements, until after the strikes and the cop leans on his arm, he appears to move at least his right arm in what looks like a protective gesture to his face. Which is understandable after the strikes, that's going to bloody hurt.
Not a good look at all.
Mr Yakoob said the medical condition of the man who was kicked, who he named as Fahir Amaaz, had worsened overnight and “a CT scan has revealed there is a cyst on his brain”.
GMP will probably portray this as a win for the bloke - if our officer hadn't used his head as a football, he never would have found that thing growing in his brain!
It's just a side-finding of the MRI he's had to have because his bonce was punted into next week, it won't be as a result of being kicked.
Can't head injury be a cause of cyst on the brain?
