Pretty shocking images of Manchester Airport Police kicking some guy in the head. Other videos of the same officers punching and grappling with a guy and getting him into a headlock.
From what I saw, the guys arrested weren't being threatening or abusive, but rather calm.
So, it is going to kick off in Manchester like it did in Leeds?
EDIT. Cba
I don't think any police officers are "in" hospital.
They received hospital treatment.
Apparently a female officer got her nose broken.
Looks very heavy handed policing. Stamping on someones head, as they are pinned to the floor is not a good look.
I saw a video on reddit where the comments suggested the female officer had been hit. However, little other context and the kick to the guys head while he's on the floor seemed straight brutality. It definitely needs to be investigated and checked properly as while I'm sure there's more to the story that officer went well over in his actions.
From what I saw, the guys arrested weren’t being threatening or abusive, but rather calm
As ever, there's bound to be more to it.
From the Beeb
Greater Manchester Police said it understood the “deep concerns" that had been "widely raised".
In the build up to the incident shown in the clip, a police spokesman said that firearms officers had been punched to the ground after trying to make an arrest following a fight in the airport.
There was a "clear risk" their weapons could be taken from them, the police spokesman said, adding all three had been taken to hospital, one with a broken nose.
Four men were arrested on suspicion of assault and affray.
Amar Minhas from Leeds was travelling through the terminal with his family when he saw officers approach the man to arrest him.
“They pinned him up against a wall”, he told the BBC, before another man tried to intervene and a fight broke out, with the pinned man throwing punches until he was Tasered to the floor, when the officer kicked him.
Mr Burnham told BBC Radio Manchester the video was "very disturbing" and the suspension of an officer was the "right action".
However, he said he had since seen "the full footage" that showed a "fast-moving and complicated situation in a challenging location – it’s not clear cut".
"Time has been taken to get a clearer picture of what has happened," he said, adding that an investigation needed to proceed now "in a thorough and measured way".
It's interesting that in a story of "someone assaults female officer and breaks her nose" we'd likely get a lot of comments here along the lines of "I bet he 'falls down the stairs' on the way to the cells", and yet when it actually happens it's all "police brutality".
Just a general comment, may not actually fit this context as I don't know the details, especially if there is racism involved.
Oh and another thought: Why does the former superintendent think it's racism? Because he knows the officer in question? Or simply because of the race of the kickee? And if the latter, is the super being racist?
Unless there was a real and immediate threat to life, kicking someone in the head when they are on the ground seems out of all proportion, and quite possibly illegal.
Though if being a copper was simple and straight forward, we'd all do it.
I think it is very odd that there is only evidence of the 'victim' on the floor and no video of Police Officers getting beaten up, but then that wouldnt support the 'victim' social media stance.
Unless there was a real and immediate threat to life, kicking someone in the head when they are on the ground seems out of all proportion
If you read the Police view on the incident, armed Police were beaten up and at risk of loosing their firearms, so thats a definite risk to life.
Plus why is it even acceptable to hit a Police Officer in the first place? They were clearly not innocent victims on the floor getting kicked in the head as all the media output shows
Amar Minhas from Leeds was travelling through the terminal with his family when he saw officers approach the man to arrest him.
“They pinned him up against a wall”, he told the BBC, before another man tried to intervene and a fight broke out, with the pinned man throwing punches until he was Tasered to the floor, when the officer kicked him.
That immediately to me would suggest that if armed Police are involved, and that they did pin him up against the wall that they person had a record. The fact that they started attacking the Police kind of confirms that was the right approach !
Doesn’t matter what the bloke on the floor did, if you have the power vested in being a policeman we need you to be able to control yourself and not be violent.
Policeman should be sacked and prosecuted. They need to be held to the highest standard.
That wasnt a simple kick, that was a boot. The difference being he drew back his foot so there was power in the blow.
OK. there was a fight, wpc injured.but thats by the by with the guy on the ground, prone and offering little to on resistance.
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Next point is who started the fight. Given the actions of that officer, there must be a possibility the polices actions caused the fight.
Ever dealt with a female officer ? they're notorious to attempting to escalate any situation.
Doesn’t matter what the bloke on the floor did, if you have the power vested in being a policeman we need you to be able to control yourself and not be violent.
Wouldnt disagree with that at all, but the way the news is broadcasting the clip doesnt give a full context and is almost inciteful ie Riots in Manchester
Next point is who started the fight. Given the actions of that officer, there must be a possibility the polices actions caused the fight.
Yeah, it's easy to imagine armed police walking through an airport, getting a bit bored and starting a fight, I mean it happens all the time.
Ever dealt with a female officer ? they’re notorious to attempting to escalate any situation.
Are they now. Right-o.
From what I saw, the guys arrested weren’t being threatening or abusive, but rather calm.
Apart from three police requiring hospital treatment, female officer with broken nose, airport officers are armed so risk of their weapons being taken in a fight. Arrestee didn't require hospital treatment.
The idiots fighting are lucky they weren't shot.
And the "kicking" officer was carrying a firearm. How close was he to completely losing the plot and getting trigger happy with that? Total loss of control by the officer(s) on several counts. Frightening that a thug like that gets through all the vetting and training processes.
Wouldnt disagree with that at all, but the way the news is broadcasting the clip doesnt give a full context and is almost inciteful ie Riots in Manchester
The statement from GMP has been widely published alongside the video. What's inciteful is a white officer kicking and stamping the head of a tazed suspect lying face down and compliant with their arms by their side.
There's also footage of bystanders who were filiming it being pepper sprayed and wrestled to the floor.
I'm sure the police didn't start anything, why would they? It's a tough job and they don't want it any tougher.
Once they're in a situation though, unless there's some threat to life, they've got to use the minimum amount of force.
Doubly so for armed officers. There's no way a man who is capable of kicking someone in the head like that, no matter how much of an arsehole they've been, should be able to carry a gun. Could easily have killed him with that kick and stamp.
The comment about female officers is stupid and misogynistic.
If the armed officer concerned thinks that there is still a possibility of losing his weapon into someone lying prone on his stomach after being tazered, then perhaps there is something we are not being told about the existence of super-powers? He might be a violent scumbag, but he's not Magneto.
I suppose we should be grateful he didn't go straight for lethal force, given he'd clearly lost his rag. Perhaps it was only the other lady next to the prone suspect that prevented that.
So an armed officer gets attacked and is on the ground. What do you want the police to do? Stand and watch on case someone in an armchair miles away decides they were being racist for arresting the alleged perpetrators?
In would like to know what happened to cause the officer to be attacked in the first place? Why did the perpetrators attack a police officer, let alone an armed police officer. What did they think the reaction would be?
Finally with all of these incidents why it there always someone on hand to film the whole think from the perpetrators/ victims perspective. Do pop else go around filming everything just in case it turns into and incident…… perhaps I’m getting cynical.
Apart from three police requiring hospital treatment, female officer with broken nose, airport officers are armed so risk of their weapons being taken in a fight. Arrestee didn’t require hospital treatment.
The idiots fighting are lucky they weren’t shot.
According to the statement from GMP, who've already suspended one officer and - I believe - released the suspects. Do firearms officers wear bodycams? Regardless of the allegations, kicking a subdued suspect in the head, kicking in the leg another man who was already following your instructions, is police brutality. I'm sure if they genuinely HAD tried for a gun, they would have been shot.
I'm sure that and CCTV will clear it up.
Ever dealt with a female officer ? they’re notorious to attempting to escalate any situation.
What an odd statement. I think this says more about you than female officers.
The officer should be suspended, at minimum. There's no way this was a reasonable and proportionate response. It was a substantial and free kick to a prone person, and could easily have broken a jaw/eye socket/blinded them.
More video footage here: https://skwawkbox.org/2024/07/24/gmp-claim-appalling-brutality-to-man-tased-on-ground-was-because-he-might-grab-their-gun/
They also put the boot into one chap who had his hands on his head, looks to me like they lost the plot.
Regardless of the allegations, kicking a subdued suspect in the head, kicking in the leg another man who was already following your instructions, is police brutality
Lets be clear, he wasnt subdued. Yes kicking in the head was wrong, but the guy then tries to get up again repeatedly after being tazered and kicked in the head. So what is the next force you use if someone refuses to comply as he was ?
Again no excuse for kicking in the head as that brings them down to the same level of the thug on the ground. But the next stage would have been to shoot him.
natrixFree Member
More video footage here: https://skwawkbox.org/2024/07/24/gmp-claim-appalling-brutality-to-man-tased-on-ground-was-because-he-might-grab-their-gun/
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The red haired female officer in this video looks like she realises this has all gone to shit and they've overstepped the mark.
The red haired female officer in this video looks like she realises this has all gone to shit and they’ve overstepped the mark.
Yep to be fair I thought that too.
They also put the boot into one chap who had his hands on his head, looks to me like they lost the plot.
However the guy sat up on the chair was not under control and was antagonising the situation. Had he been throwing punches/kicks to the head of the Police 30 seconds before, or trying to get their firearm? Personally I didnt see anything wrong with how they got him to the ground.
Excessive to the guy on the ground, but none of us know what history they have, and none of us saw them pick a fight with Police when they were detained.
Lets be clear, he wasnt subdued. Yes kicking in the head was wrong, but the guy then tries to get up again repeatedly after being tazered and kicked in the head.
At the point he was kicked in the head, he was prone, face down, arms by his sides and motionless except for his head. Was the officer fearful of a threatening stare? I'm fairly certain he wouldn't be thinking clearly after getting his bell rung twice.
However the guy sat up on the chair was not under control and was antagonising the situation.
Was he? How so?
Had he been throwing punches/kicks to the head of the Police 30 seconds before, or trying to get their firearm? Personally I didnt see anything wrong with how they got him to the ground.
Big "if" - if so, maybe justified.
What about if not?
pondoFull Member
Have we all seen the sequel?
> https://twitter.com/AbuHafsah1/status/1816190741284282416
Is this from the same incident?
There were accounts last night that the police started trying to take phones from bystanders to prevent footage emerging. I was wondering when those videos would appear.
The police can't win; too soft in Harehills, too hard at Manchester Airport.
As usual the Barrack Room lawyers are out.
These guys are well trained and wouldn't have behaved like that if the threat wasn't perceived to warrant it. They're lucky they didn't get shot. If it had been in America or even Spain it would have been a very different ending for the lads. Personally i believe it was justified and they dealt with threats appropriately. No way should he be suspended (he should be given a pat on the back if anything).
As it for being racist, what a load of nonsense.
Personally i believe it was justified
Based on what?
"IOPC Regional Director Catherine Bates said... a “significant amount of body-worn video and CCTV footage” of the incident had been secured."
Good, let's see if anything occured beforehand that justified the force used. I don't know what that would be, but let's see.
These guys are well trained and wouldn’t have behaved like that if the threat wasn’t perceived to warrant it.
A well trained police officer shouldn't be kicking anyone in the head like that and especially once they have been detained flat on the floor, what they did or said beforehand might have meant they deserved it but not from a serving police officer.
In terms of what was or wasn't being said in Rochdale, does that matter in relation to the videos?
I feel for the police, its a tough job without doubt. However (and I accept it is only snippets), the videos do seem to evidence police brutality. To kick someone in the face, someone lying prone on the floor with steel toe caps on is all sorts of wrong. To then attempt to stamp on their head, is to me indicative of someone who had the red mist descend.
The behaviour of the policeman who pepper sprayed the young lad in the face and then takes him to the ground, also doesn't appear to be the levels of professionalism that we would expect from highly trained police officers.
To try to use an equivalance of this happening in the US or Spain is also incorrect. This event happened occured within the UK.
A bit anecdotal and third hand at this stage, but a journslist on Twitter is claiming that the two in the video were not the perpetrators of the original conflict.
https://twitter.com/RespectIsVital/status/1816442785915965655
With the guy sprayed. There was no taking hold of an arm and issuing a 'you're under arrest' and then asking to turn around, and cuffing him. It was straight to spraying him with an incapacitant from under a foot away, then grabbing him by the neck to force him to the ground
I was under the impression that things like pepper sprays were to be used only if the police were being attacked and as a last resort.
A bit like the taser. Originally and prior to introduction, the police said it was to be used in dire circumstances.
In the first year of its deployment it was used about 500 times, then in year 2 it was used over 2 thousand times, year 3 it was well over 4 thousand times. Anyone see a pattern developing there 😕
**** around in an airport putting three police in hospital and you are very lucky not to end the day in a morgue.
And what about if it's ****-all to do with you and you get beaten up anyway?
