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Truss' past performance was a very good indication of how utterly unfit to be PM she was, any idiot could read up on her history and know that she shouldn't have been let anywhere near the top job, ever. Not sure regicide can really be added to her CV though. 😉
Lil Rishi has sent the bombers into Yemen then promptly got on a plane to Ukraine to strut around in a flak jacket
Someone is most definitely after their 'Thatcher Moment', aren't they?
Someone is most definitely after their ‘Thatcher Moment’, aren’t they?
Election in Feb?
Well its certainly not going to be in November, when he'd suggested.
It does seem like he's entered full on electioneering mode. Presuming its in May, we've got months of awful Rishi photo ops like this to look forward to
Is Lil Rish! having a growth spurt or have his trousers been shortened?
The best tailors in the business and they all look like someone dipped them in glue and threw them through a charity shop window. Boris Johnson was worse admittedly and there are certain people (like Donald Trump) who can't look good no matter what but FFS, get a proper fitting suit. It's quite telling that Zelensky looks more authoritative wearing a hoodie and a pair of combat trousers!
Although please God, don't let Sunak decide that he should wear similar, that'd be SO ridiculous!
Fisher Price - My First Suit
^^ Is it me or has the little fellas shoes got a bit of a Cuban heels thing going on?
You can still get 'em
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The best tailors in the business and they all look like someone dipped them in glue and threw them through a charity shop window. Boris Johnson was worse admittedly and there are certain people (like Donald Trump) who can’t look good no matter what but FFS, get a proper fitting suit. It’s quite telling that Zelensky looks more authoritative wearing a hoodie and a pair of combat trousers!
Vain people often look worse, because they focus so much on looks it highlights the deficiencies, eg trump with his hair. With that Photo above Zelensky looks like someone who knows he has to do the photo that it is part of the game in getting support, but wants to get it out of the way and get on with the more important stuff. Sunak just looks desperate for attention the photo shoot is the important stuff for him, his whole "look" is based on what he thinks he should project, from the expensive but ill fitting suits to the gormless grin, but when he gets doen to business I expect him to just repeat the soundbites his handlers have given him, I suspect he is little different in these meetings than he is in interviews, just an unsubstantial vacuous airhead who believes he has a right to lead without having a ****ing clue how to lead.
Watching the footage from Ukraine on the news, he’s such a tragic little dweeb.
He’s obviously trying to do the hard man thing, but everything about his demeanour and body language says ‘right, we’ve got the photos, just get me the **** out of here’
So very much like his trips to the north of England
Zelensky has the exact energy of "succesful science fiction author meeting smelly neckbeard fan" there.
"Actually, I believe the bottom line is to finally start shifting the country away from the right wing populist fever dream it seems to have found itself in."
I think the country shifted past that point some time ago...
"Getting rid of the Tories does no good if it ensures a disappointing Labour government ends up delivering a Braverman or Badenoch led borderline fascist government in 6 years time."
I think the Tories will return to being a more traditional conservative party the second Lil' Rishi gets the boot. The ERG and nutcases like Braverman are a busted flush.
It was interesting to see Badenock serve the Brexit mob their arises on a plate with regards her not going through with the 'bonfire of the regulations' Bill.
When criticised she said "I am not an arsonist, I'm a conservative". Which kind of suggests to me that she has used the right wing of the party to get a platform and then ditched them once she has established popularity amongst the membership.
Mistaking Badenock for Braverman 2.0 would be a very foolish thing for Labour to do. The only way Badenoch will not be the next Tory party leader is if the RW manage to obstruct her in whatever form of leadership election they contrive this time.
Suella Braverman will be the right wing candidate and that will alow Kemi Badenock to position herself as the 'one nation Tory' who can unite the party. Braverman is all bark whilst Badenoch is utterly ruthless. Her strategy has been to build popularity amongst the membership (where she has a huge lead) rather than rely on factions and cliques amongst MP's.
I think Badenock will get the tory party leadership this year and wll reuild the party from the ground up in much he same way as Starmer had to do with Labour post Cornyn. The ERG will be put out to grass and the red wall knuckle draggers will have lost their seats. A shadow cabinet will have to be assembled from the ranks of more centrist, home counties type MP's.
The right wing populist experiment is already over, even JRM and his ilk know that the gig is up, it's just that no one has told Suella yet...
Personally I think the polar opposite of that is going to happen
The only Tory MPs that will retain their seats after the upcoming decimation are the pure gammons where they’ll the result of constituencies where they’ll vote a pigs arse in as long as it’s got a blue rosette on
That’s the Christopher Chopes and Bill Cashes of this world. Absolute headbangers. And don’t forget that the ultimate decision goes to the racist pensioners in Eastbourne
They’ll vote for Braverman in a heartbeat because the reason they lost the election is because they weren’t UKIP enough
It’s somewhat ironic that they’re going to have the choice of two women of colour to vote to implement their right wing, anti-immigrant, racist, sexist, misogynistic agenda.
You couldn’t make it up
The only Tory MPs that will retain their seats after the upcoming decimation are the pure gammons where they’ll the result of constituencies where they’ll vote a pigs arse in as long as it’s got a blue rosette on
Agree and count my constituency in on that as I would put a lot of money on Swayne retaining his seat yet again.
The problem they will have is that all their remaining MPs will be those headbangers and outside of the constituencies who voted for them nobody wants that sort of government.
We need to see some real changes from Starmer which are noticeable to peoples day to day lives (i.e. not an obsession with immigration) within 5 years because as we know people have short memories and are happy to vote the tories back in.
Happy for you to disagree binners but I'll stick my neck out and say that Badenoch will be the next leader of the Tories and will be PM in 6 years time having steered her party back towards the centre.
Part of you knows I'm right binners, that's why you and others are so keen to paint Badenock as Braverman 2.0 when you know Badenock is clearly a far more formidable opponent for a Labour government than Cruella. A Braverman front bench would be another reshuffle of the same old dossers, whilst a Badenock front bench will have almost entirely dispensed with the old guard.
So if I were in your shoes (as a Labour party activist) I'd be praying for a Braverman victory as it would make Labour's job in government far easier.
So place your bet binners, though I'd advise that you have a word with your other half before putting any money down as she generally seems to have better luck / judgement in these matters!
As for Starmer, dull as he is, I give him credit for bringing the Labour party back from the brink. Considering the two ongoing conflicts in the world, can you imagine how big the Tory lead wold be right now if Jezzer was still in charge?
I don't see badenoch bringing the Tories back to the centre, she's full on culture war and even if she tried to be more moderate the ukipisation of the Tories means many of her own MPs, not to mention the membership whipped into a froth GBNews etc, will fight that tooth & nail
Someone is most definitely after their ‘Thatcher Moment’, aren’t they?
To give that a bit of gravity - 3/4s of the world's democracies have a major election this year
whilst a Badenock front bench will have almost entirely dispensed with the old guard.
After the upcoming electoral defeat, the only Tory MPs left will be the old guard. All the 2019 intake will be gone and you'll be left with the timeserving gammons in ultra safe home counties seats. Thats who she'll have to choose from and lets be honest, the Tory party is hardly a hotbed of young talent as it is, is it?
So place your bet binners
I already have. I put a tenner on Braverman months ago at 9/1. She's presently 4/1. Badenoch is 3/1. I still think Cruella is a shoe in with the membership. If she's on the final ballot, she's in
Considering the two ongoing conflicts in the world, can you imagine how big the Tory lead wold be right now if Jezzer was still in charge?
*shudders*
Rishi would have called an election months ago on the back of a 20 point poll lead
inkster - what is the relevance of referring to Corbyn?
He was suspended in October 2020 - more than 3 years ago - and still is.
Do not underestimate Badenock. I wouldn't rely on her being the lesser of the evils
Looks like Cruella is leading a posse of the usual backbench nutjobs to vote against Rishi’s Rwanda bill on Tuesday, unless he amends it to include withdrawing from the ECHR
Looks like they’ve got the numbers to defeat it too. This is actually going to be quite funny to watch, Rishi having set himself up for this particular fall when championing her ‘batshit’ proposal to ‘stop the boats’
"inkster – what is the relevance of referring to Corbyn?"
To make binners shudder, that's all...
Though I suppose if Labour can make a swing from a pretty far left position to whatever you might call their position now and reap the rewards at the polls, then why can't the Tories do likewise and ditch their failed populist experiment, a failed experiment that has gone on far too long and is no longer delivering any dividens.
Not sure you'll be picking up any dividends from the bookies either binners, though at 9/1 i can hardly blame you for having a punt. After all should you win, it would be a win, win, you'd cash in and have a much less competent leader of the opposition to contend with. The Braverman choice would be Labours best chance of getting a second term.
Braverman would take the Tories into the abyss and I doubt she would last the full term. I think Badenoch would sèe it through to the next election but as ever, it's all in the hands of some old codgers in Eastbourne.
Though I suppose if Labour can make a swing from a pretty far left position
Point of order - it was just a standard European social democratic position. Nothing far left about it.
Nothing far left about it.
Whether thats true (and its not) the perception of most voters was that Corbyn was a far left loon and he was piss poor at working the media (which is a basic requirement for a politican) so thats what stuck. Sunak tried to portray himself as a competant get things done leader, the perception of the public is hes the opposite hence the mess he's in.
He doesn’t even believe in the Rwanda plan, so it’s hilarious that he has to defend it while someone who is actually mad enough to want it is actively scuppering it.
Its priceless, isn't it?
A PM and Home Secretary who both think its a 'batshit' idea but have made it the hill they're going to die on, and a former home secretary, who believes in it as an article of faith, determined to torpedo the whole thing.
Only in this present tory party could something as unhinged as this be happening
why can’t the Tories do likewise and ditch their failed populist experiment, a failed experiment that has gone on far too long and is no longer delivering any dividends
Because the Tory party was purged by Johnson of all non-believers. The few sane members left are all standing down at the next election anyway, leaving a party rump of absolute headbangers, both MPs and membership.
We know its mental. Most of the electorate now think its insane, but within the party its like a cult and absolutely nobody inside is prepared to stand up and say 'you know what.... this is all completely nuts!', least of all Kemi Badanoch. Whether its her or Braverman, they'll march the remaining Tory MPs off to the outer wolds of far right loony-tunes-ville previously only the domain of Richard Tice and Tommy Robinson
@inkster - I put a tenner on Truss being elected over 6 months before she was and everyone was saying Rishi was an absolute shoe-in. That was also at 9/1 (IIRC Sunak was 3/1), so you never know 😉
stumpyjon - name one labour policy under corbyn that was not social democratic mainstream.
Oh Christ! We’ve done this to death.
It doesn’t matter. The entire electorate found the idea of Magic Grandad as PM about as appealing as a fart in a lift.
When he finally tottered off to the allotment, years too late, Labour we’re 24 points behind in the polls, they now have a 20 point lead.
That’s all that matters. Ask Rishi. He dreams he was facing a muppet like Corbyn in May.
It doesn’t matter.
It does matter since you keep willingly repeating the hard right lies about where policies lie on the spectrum then it starts to be accepted as fact. Like the claims about the tories being a part of law and order or being good with the economy.
Then we end up with centre right positions being the norm and people going on about how the tory now are pushing hard right arguments.
This is basic political positioning that even six formers can understand so its surprising someone who looks down on them like you do fails to grasp it.
Nobody has asserted any of those things other than you
Corbyn was an absolute liability with more baggage than the cargo hold of a 747. Nobody was paying that much attention to the policies because everyone thought he looked like one of those blokes in the park who shouts at buses
As someone else noted; thank Christ he’s nowhere near the Parliamentary Labour Party with what’s presently going on in the world. He’d be even more use to the Tory party now than the hopeless old goat was for the last 2 elections
Anyway… this Rishi Sunak bloke? The one the threads about…
Nobody has asserted any of those things other than you
Sorry I know you have difficulty discussing politics beyond childish caricatures, images and regurgitating the hardright presses attack lines but are you really arguing that the overton window isnt a thing?
You havent noticed how policies that Thatcher thought were a step too far were taken after new labour stabilised them?
You really should stop insulting sixth formers and try to learn from them since your arguments barely get above trump levels including the spewing rubbish and then going wahhhhhhhhhhhhh what about the thread title.
You lot really don't get it do you, nobody apart from a few really care about policy detail, apart from the far left. No it's not right but that's the reality. At the moment everything from Rishi is toxic soundbites moving the country (or some of the less savoury parts of it) even further into xenophobia and intolerance.
Even if Starmers economic policies were identical to the Tories* we'd still be better off as at least the culture war would stop and we could get back to moving painfully slowly towards a more tolerant society which might then be ready for some of the more progressive left wing policies. We're still generations off a properly fair society and pretending we can get there if we could just elect the right sort of progressive politicians is unhinged. First off in the present climate they have next to zero popular appeal (hence the Corbyn comments) and even if they did sneak into power the electorate and populist politicians would soon have them out.
* They are not.
Bottom line as this is a Rishi thread, we need him and his toxic non polices out asap so stop grasping for utopia, the best you can have is Starmer, deal with it.
the best you can have is Starmer, deal with it.
No thanks, I’ll be voting snp
You lot really don’t get it do you, nobody apart from a few really care about policy detail, apart from the far left.
Again with this far left rubbish. What are the far left policies? You have repeatedly failed to answer this despite apparently being clued up enough about policy detail to understand what is and isnt far left.
Even if Starmers economic policies were identical to the Tories* we’d still be better off as at least the culture war would stop and we could get back to moving painfully slowly towards a more tolerant society
Sorry you are going to need to elaborate here on how you make this leap to "culture war" would stop.
An increase in extreme policies would be required in that situation in order to continue distinguishing yourself from your opponent (unless you do a reverse republican southern strategy).
Its also somewhat unclear how this would lead back to a more tolerant society. Could you elaborate on how you would see this working?
and even if they did sneak into power the electorate and populist politicians would soon have them out.
These populist politicians? Has it not crossed your mind there is a reason they can get a foothold? That when offered with more of the same people gamble with something radical?
Its not difficult you only need to look at why people voted brexit ffs.
the best you can have is Starmer, deal with it.
Ah the classic cry of the centre right.
It would be funny if you lot didnt keep doubling down on the same mistakes and continuing to wreck the country.
I would have hoped after brexit that there would have been a glimmer of that the policy of "who else will they vote for" isnt a great one but apparently not.
Ok who should we vote for that can replace the Tories?
If you can answer that I might start listening but everything above is just mad person shouting at buses for all the good it will do.
If you can answer that I might start listening but everything above is just mad person shouting at buses for all the good it will do.
As always the centre right resort to insults and demands that their inane questions be answered whilst ignoring anything addressed to them.
The problem with the centre rights newly found cry (why is it the right need simplistic slogans?) of "replace the tories" is it is just that new found and only when Starmer started offering policies to attract those who had handed their own party to the loons.
It isnt a difficult concept.
If he wants votes then he needs to appeal to everyone and not just the centre right since their policies are the ones which have ****ed the country and set the ground for the hard right.
If he wants votes then he needs to appeal to everyone and not just the centre right
You’re going to have quite a shock when you see the polling.
It’s not like the glory days of Comrade Jezza and his heroic -25, but you know… it’ll have to do 😂
inane questions
Who should I vote for to make the country a better place is an inane question!!!!!
Good grief, no wonder people disengage if thats all youve got.
even biden thinks hes an idiot
https://twitter.com/PolitlcsUK/status/1746261294515175801?t=br5f6Ojx8Hz-3kQ8Du6QDA&s=19
Shapps ‘watch this space’ comment was almost as cringeworthy in its crass David Brentness as Gavin Williamson telling Russia to ‘shut up and go away’
We really have had some highly skilled and intelligent Defence Secretaries with this shower, haven’t we?
I really can’t wait to see the back of the lot of ‘em. Not long now…
Ok who should we vote for that can replace the Tories?
It's not a question beating the Tories. It's not a football game.
It's about registering your opinion. Like the Reform voters are doing. They have no chance of 'winning' but their bullshit is what is driving the Tories to the right and consequently Labour.
My advice would be to read the manifestos and vote for the party/candidate whose policies most closely align with your own views.
Crazy idea, I know.
And yes, you won't get the warm fuzzy feeling of 'beating' anyone but you will have done your own tiny insignificant part to move the country to more closely align with your views.
As I've said many times, voting for a rightwardly shifting Labour party is going to be worse for the country in the long run than voting for parties who you fundamentally agree with.