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toty party would self-immolate so spectacularly
I think that's more Johnson language than Sunak language. 😉
If we weren't all so badly effected (yeah, yeah, some of you might not be, lucky you) by the fallout of Brexit and the ongoing aftermath, the Tory infighting of the last ten years would be funny. Maybe in 15 years time it'll be fun to look back on... but for now it looks like a long slow painful recovery is desperately required... and the ongoing delay in starting that, while they continue concentrating on their own little ambitions, is painfully frustrating. If only we could force them to call an election, so we could tell them to...
That’s an issue of national security for France
So as long as a country has a good reason to ignore the ruling of the European Convention on Human Rights that's okay? It is the government who should decide what is the correct course of action to take not the ECHR or the law?
Perhaps that's the problem with the Tories, they don't understand such subtleties?
Although I think it was nicely summed up here:
Thomas Legrand, a political commentator, said Darmanin was in effect claiming that “the rule of law prevents him from acting as he would like to ensure the safety of the French people”. He said that in other democracies, a minister would be weakened if he was found to have broken the law. In France, he “emerges reinforced”.
No leftie "human rights" lawyers getting in the way of Macron's government, I'm sure Braverman would approve.
Sunak is giving an 'emergency' press conference at 11 o clock. No word on what its about.
The letters have gone in?
His resignation?
An attempt to extinguish the raging bin fire that is the present Tory party?
Unless its to announce a general election, does anybody actually care?
An emergency press conference to discuss emergency legislation to deal with the small boat emergency?
Well I'm certainly excited.
Sunak is giving an ’emergency’ press conference at 11 o clock. No word on what its about.
It's to distract attention away from Johnson dropping Sunak in the shit at the Covid inquiry thus helping to ensure that when Sunak gets there on Monday, no-one remembers the blame he got today.
That explanation is as likely as any other. 🤷🏻♂️
It will all be about stopping the invasion of brown folk and how the labour party wants to let zillions come here with a load of nonsense about Rwanda being safe and how the silent majority want this to happen
@binners It's going to be "Nothing has changed" to give us all a warm glow of nostalgia for the days of Theresa May
razor wire, machine gun posts, wind and wave generators and a mine field, though the knuckle draggers will still be unhappy.
quite simply we’re at the ‘Enabling Act’ phase.
Posted the same a few weeks ago either here or on the Braverman thread. Tories - the Party of Law and Order, eh?
A government that does not recognise the rule of law domestically is not a legitimate government in my view.
It's remarkable how we look aghast at the US and what the Republicans are attempting over there, then so quickly find it arriving on our doorstep.
Sunak seems to drag out the lectern on a regular basis just to get coverage of the same old guff, so I wouldn't get your hopes up.
razor wire, machine gun posts, wind and wave generators and a mine field, though the knuckle draggers will still be unhappy.
Immigrants will be spilt into thirteen groups and each week will have to send two representatives to fight through miles of red tape and hostile Government outposts, navigate through a dark barge and emerge the other side to claim a visa.
Suella Braverman and Mark Francois are lined up to staff the first two hostile Government outposts and direct constant withering fire on the immigrants.
It'll be televised, pay per view on GB News.
Apparently we now have 2 immigration ministers:
A minister for legal immigration and a minister for illegal immigration
Is this Rishi's latest job creation scheme?
No word on what its about.
"STOP THE BOATS"
Create a "problem" concerning foreigners... and then bang on about it.
Something about the NHS, teaching, failing public transports, SMEs closing... no chance.
minister for illegal immigration
U ! S ! A !
U ! S ! A !
In the same way that Ester McVey is titled 'Minister for Common Sense', he's going to give them the title 'Minister for Stopping The Boats', isn't he?
So as long as a country has a good reason to ignore the ruling of the European Convention on Human Rights that’s okay?
Well quite. It's "only" been 80 years ago since the reason we needed the ECHR in the first place and "only" a hundred years ago that because of petty national security concerns; western govts blundered into a catastrophic war with each other becasue of paranoid national imperialism, and fear of the rise of marginalised proletariat on the world stage. The rise of the instability and inability of western govts to not become engrossed in petty nationalistic and ethnic conflict has some very disturbing recent history.
Some heads (of state) really do need banging together.
hey already can’t tell the difference between an illegal immigrant and an asylum seeker
I'm more than a bit concerned that "illegal immigrants" has become normal in BBC news items when talking about asylum seekers, just because they've had to resort to water crossings due to all other routes being closed to them.
Time for the Boat-stop Backstop Agreement.
So Sunak wants the opportunity to tell the nation that his parents didn't come here as asylum seekers, which is why it was perfectly acceptable.
I'm expecting a spectacular volte-face whereby the entire situation is reimagined as a "new Dunkirk" and it will be a new "little boats miracle". Bunting on the quayside and tea and biscuits for everyone!
"I'm the child of immigrants, but proper immigrants. Not like these scroungers"
And here we go... Tearing up international treaties
Is this what this country now stands for?
Dear god... you can just smell the desperation
So Sunak wants the opportunity to tell the nation that his parents didn’t come here as asylum seekers, which is why it was perfectly acceptable.
And that it's right and proper that he should get to fall in love with and marry a foreigner because he is rich, but that the rest of us should just earn a bit more if we want the same privilege.
Brilliant question from Sky News which he totally refused to answer.
My parents came here legally says the man who's party has party has made it increasingly more difficult for others to do the same. The hypocrisy is breath-taking,
can't see this "appeal" over the heads of his party is going to cut the mustard with the headbangers. It just looks weak and desperate 😕
he makes the lettuce look slick.
Its sort of amazing that they've created the very thing that's destroying them, they continually go on about immigrants then come up with unworkable schemes that make the situation worse and then fight over how the they need to make it even more unworkable.
Again the question arises, how long does he limp on from political catastrophe to political catastrophe before his own back benches have had enough and call for a VONC?
He's out of touch and politically inept. Sooner or later it will dawn on the parliamentary Conservative Party that he's doing them more harm than good.
It’s to distract attention away from Johnson dropping Sunak in the shit at the Covid inquiry thus helping to ensure that when Sunak gets there on Monday, no-one remembers the blame he got today.
I know this was a bit tongue in cheek... but it was quite a performance by Johnson, wasn't it... the times when he pretended to be emotional coincided precisely with when he was bringing something up that would land entirely on Sunak's shoulders (while not mentioning him by name)... knowing that would make good TV and would be among the bits that get used as clips. He's still got it.
I guess we should be grateful there’s not been the announcement of a national referendum this time?
ffs. Dont give them ideas!
I'm pretty sure passing laws that make it legal to ignore the courts when it suits you is Fascism 101.
Again the question arises, how long does he limp on from political catastrophe to political catastrophe before his own back benches have had enough and call for a VONC?
Chris Mason has just said on Radio 4 that the rumblings from the Tory backbenches he's hearing are saying that a VONC is very much on the agenda
The headbangers are fuming because this doesn't go far enough for them, but the few sane members left think it goes too far, so he's pissed them all off
He's not very good at this politics lark, is he?
Yeah, I think Rishi was the ‘acceptable brown person’, but there’s still a lot of underlying racism in the Tories that would too much for him to overcome.
I doubt he would have been elected by the membership if there was anything remotely paler standing against him. I mean, Truss is patently a village idiot but she walked it.
Suella Braverman is in a similar position. Her net favourability polling with the members barely squeaks past 50%, despite the racist dog-whistling they love. Which is why Jenrick is sliming about in the background. He knows that they would elect a spineless turd of a man like him rather than Braverman.
The vote on this proposed legislation next week is going to be a VONC in all but name. This is the hill he's chosen to die on... sending 100 brown people to Africa?
What a dick
I didn't think the calibre Prime Minister could sink any lower after Johnson and Truss
How wrong I was
The rest of the world, particularly all over Europe, must be absolutely laughing their tits off at this nonsense
The vote on this proposed legislation next week is going to be a VONC in all but name. This is the hill he’s chosen to die on… sending 100 brown people to Africa?
Its mad isn't it? Completed unhinged.
Emergency legislation undermining our own courts and international law to send maybe 200 people somewhere else. 200 out of 50,000 asylum seekers arriving via "small boats", 200 out of 900,000 annual immigrants.
It's already cost £140 million with additional spending being deliberately hidden by the government.