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the Rwandan government appears to he saying we're a bit too fash
https://twitter.com/JackElsom/status/1732451749594648628?t=kCS-11q2HKWkTJ0asF-sPA&s=19
Apparently Honest Bob is about to resign
Well nobody saw that coming eh?
Jesus! Even their pathetic infighting and posturing is so boringly predictable that anyone could have scripted it 3 weeks ago
Just call an election - a general one, not another leadership one - and lets get this whole sorry charade over and done with
yup honest bob doing a runner
the nutters really are trying to bring down Sunak
imagine getting booted out as PM over something as ridiculous as the Rwanda policy!!! (not saying sunak will be booted out surely most Tories know how thats going to go down with the public)
https://twitter.com/CatNeilan/status/1732458535265452505?t=XdS6NPQQFexTg4_vMUjZTQ&s=19
They just look tired. And every time they try and come up with a new policy, it does nothing to improve the polls.
He just needs to call a GE and get the whole sorry charade over.
They choose today to respond to the Hillsborough report? After 7 years?
A point just made on Five Live by one of tbe families
And after 7 years they’ve watered all the recommendations down so the whole thing is essentially meaningless anyway
Why doesn’t Rishi just go to Anfield and piss on the Hillsborough memorial?!
Every time I think I can’t despise them more they come up with something
the Rwandan government appears to he saying we’re a bit too fash
It really is something when the Rwandan Government is paying more attention to international law than the UK Government... 😳
I wonder if they pull out if the deal citing our breaches of international law, do they get to keep the £140m? That'd be amazing. £140m for doing **** all! Conservatives - the party you can trust with the economy.
imagine getting booted out as PM over something as ridiculous as the Rwanda policy!!! (not saying sunak will be booted out surely most Tories know how thats going to go down with the public)
I am starting to shift my opinion on that. After all we cant do bugger all until election time so they might figure get rid of him and go all out nuts until then. I think most are feeling they have sod all chance any so might as well go all out.
Being reported the excuse he has given for us not breaking international law is because Rwanda refused to join in. What an awesome excuse.
I wonder if they pull out if the deal citing our breaches of international law, do they get to keep the £140m? That’d be amazing. £140m for doing **** all! Conservatives – the party you can trust with the economy.
Yup they do. Since they arent being paid to take the refugees they are just getting some entirely unrelated aid because, you know, reasons.
Its a figleaf on the UK side and a great profit opportunity on the Rwandan side.
Home Secretary James Cleverley didn’t actually know if his immigration minister (who wasn’t in parliament for his Rwanda statement) had actually resigned or not
Could it get any more farcical?
Why doesn’t Rishi just go to Anfield and piss on the Hillsborough memorial?!
Yep, the timing stinks, as per. Liverpool playing in Sheffield this evening as well.
34 years, and Tories still don't want to face up to their culpability or responsibility.
Liverpool doesn’t vote Tory so they don’t care, I expect.
In other news, I t’s amazing how they can turn even the resignation of a minister into a ****ing pantomime.
“He’s resigned over Rwanda!”
“Oh no he hasn’t!”
“Oh yes he has!”
So obviously he and Cruella have decided to go for broke before Rishi loses the election and see if fascism appeals to enough of the electorate at the general election?
The next few days should be interesting. It wouldn’t surprise me if Cruella has nowhere near the support she thinks she’s got.
I’m sure the whips will presently be asking ‘you want to have a leadership election now? Seriously?’
That may not stop them though
Who knows with this gang of wingnuts?
I think he’s thin skinned enough that if they threaten him with a leadership challenge he might just call a snap GE, on the basis of getting a personal mandate, or at least taking them all down with him.
Rwanda is the new no deal Brexit.
It’s clearly a shit idea that won’t ever work. But it’s being pursued as some sort of pure ideology that must be made to work regardless of the costs
Bang on! All the headbangers keep repeating the ‘sovrinti’ word again. That never ends well
Any news on what happened at the 1922 this evening?
Any news on what happened at the 1922 this evening?
Normal 'Back me, or we all go down' bollocks.
Still laughing at how no-one really appears to give a shit about Jenrick spitting the dummy.
At least he's got more time to dream up ways to make life slightly worse for desperate children who have travelled thousands of miles from home.
Jenrick is the same immoral ****er that ignored UNESCO as well as local democracy in granting planning in a world heritage site buffer zone, in exchange for a bung of dollari into the party coffers.
I'd rather trust a snake. Snakes are at least honourable.
Jenrick is the same immoral **** that ignored UNESCO as well as local democracy in granting planning in a world heritage site buffer zone, in exchange for a bung of dollari into the party coffers.
And not even for a decent bung. Was an absolute bargain as normal with the tories who unlike most corrupt politicians around the world havent learned the basics of seeing what its worth being selling it.
Any news on what happened at the 1922 this evening?
according to sky MPs seemed quite jolly, rees-mogg was pleased with Sunak, but after honest bob resigned he decided the bill eas no good - this is pretty standard for current Tory legislation, the brexity loons all tell each other its great until some pesky experts come along and point out all the holes
lil rishi taking the piss out of honest bob
https://twitter.com/PippaCrerar/status/1732504304626352395?t=9vZAPAy7vVrcWX74UkcMlw&s=19
Didn't have Rwanda showing us the way in terms of observance of international law on my 2023 bingo card.
Is it possible that Sunak/Cleverly actually asked Rwanda to come out in favour of International Law/ECHR to depth charge the lunatic fringe?
I did wonder about that dantsw13. Possible I guess.
Is it possible that Sunak/Cleverly actually...
I really doubt it. This lot plays seagull not 4d chess.
Is it possible that Sunak/Cleverly actually asked Rwanda to come out in favour of International Law/ECHR to depth charge the lunatic fringe?
I think thats exactly what he was up to
I wonder if that's a big part of why jenrick quit, well that & hes a slimy ambitious scumbag in a safe tory seat that's thinking about what happens after they lose the next GE & wants to position himself as a potential leader
the next 10 months of this lame duck government is going to be about MPs fighting like rats to line their pockets
lil rishi taking the piss out of honest bob
And totally not understanding the Supreme Court decision. Still.
Is it possible that Sunak/Cleverly actually asked Rwanda to come out in favour of International Law/ECHR to depth charge the lunatic fringe?
That will cost you; name your price; ah, that much...OK - and to your account in the Cayman Islands?
Yes, that's fine
Oh,they do. They are just bending the truth to their own agenda.
does withdrawing from ECHR mess up the Good Friday Agreement?
It also takes us to the no deal Brexit the real loons have never stopped chasing. The Trade and Cooperation Agreement we have with the EU absolutely depends on ECHR, and what’s more any possible replacement deal would as well. There is no trade deal between any European country and the EU without ECHR. None. Well, nothing beyond the meagre USSR agreement of the 80’s that Russia & Belarus are stuck with. No one sane in the UK is seeking that.
I find it quite incredible that it was Rwanda that blocked a more aggressive bill on grounds of international law. Really? FFS how low with these tory scum go?
Lower than an african country with a suspect human rights record, by the sounds of it.
The mere fact that the tories are vocally, and publicly seeking to circumvent the ECHR should speak for itself...
The rate we are going, Starmer will probably whip his MP's to support that too.
...but small boats or something.
It's really sad and pathetic... I mean commons debates were aways a bit of a posh school bun fight, but it's descending into primary school playground politics from all sides.
It's embarasing as a country, really.
For all the "rise of the right" across Europe I have never heard of any of them wanting to leave the ECHR. Folk like Wilders in the Netherlands would be comparable to idiots like Braverman or badenoch. He and many these other "far right" folk would be right at home in the tory party
For all the “rise of the right” across Europe I have never heard of any of them wanting to leave the ECHR.
You don't have to travel very far in time and space to find total contempt for the ECHR.
A couple of weeks ago across the Channel:
France is prepared to break European human rights law to expel “dangerous” foreigners as President Macron’s government pledges the toughest crackdown on immigration in 30 years.
Gérald Darmanin, the interior minister, said France would deport foreigners deemed a threat without waiting for the European Court of Human Rights (ECHR) to hear their appeals. If their removal was judged to have violated the European Convention on Human Rights, Paris would pay a fine but not allow them back.
I reckon that ignoring the ECHR whilst remaining in it is probably worse than leaving. It shows even greater contempt imo.
Does that make Macron far-right? No, not necessarily. But it does make him rather similar to the Tories.
Fair enough.
France would deport foreigners deemed a threat without waiting for the European Court of Human Rights (ECHR) to hear their appeals.
That's an issue of national security for France, depending on the definition of 'deemed', then fair enough.
I suspect they (the French) are not talking about economic migrants with, for example, student or working visas...rather dodgy asylum claims from a bunch of swetty blokes in the back of a lorry.
Context is all important, and most news papers are prolific in ignoring context and pushing an agenda, opinion rather than fact, if you will.
Of course I would never dare to speculate that 'the Times' might be squeezing evey last drop of rotten milk out of this particular raggety cheese cloth in order to sell a few papers or get a few website clicks, that would be libellous!
Of course I would never dare to speculate that ‘the Times’ might be squeezing evey last drop of rotten milk out of this particular raggety cheese cloth in order to sell a few papers or get a few website clicks, that would be libellous!
It's factual so don't see how that could be libellous.
We are watching another very bad example of democracy. Ignore all the FPTP, governments in power with less than 50% etc,. it is very clear to everyone that the majority of people have had enough of this government yet the government decides when to hold an election.
In a democracy that was working perfectly the government itself would have held an election a while ago knowing they are no longer wanted but are instead clinging on to the last minute.
Slightly misquoted, but what he's really saying.
"One of the great advantages of not having a written constitution is the ability to do whatever the **** we want".
Also note how he wants to stop "domestic courts" getting involved - this is basic stuff, quite simply we're at the 'Enabling Act' phase.
https://twitter.com/RobertJenrick/status/1732481602158985424?s=20
Slightly misquoted, but what he’s really saying.
You don't even need to misquote him,
"The Government has a responsibility to place our vital national interest above highly contested interpretations of international law"
and
"The stakes [ ] are too high for us not to pursue the stronger protections required to end the merry-go-round of legal challenges"
Are pretty clear in their meaning:- We consider ourselves to be above the law, and if that means that we ignore all the things that are inconvenient to to the illegal shit that we want to do, well then we either ignore it harder, or we write new rules that allow us to keep as many black people as we possibly can from coming to this country becasue my racist constituents are scared of people who speak different languages and eat different things
Who would have guessed that when Cameron was a pussy and gave in to the racist, immigrant- baiting loony right wing of the tory party in 2015, to give them their referendum, that the toty party would self-immolate so spectacularly