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Who cared about the economy so long as halfwits like Lee Anderson were happy.
And Lee Anderson will never be happy - there is no gesture that will ever buy him off. He's not gonna shag you, Rishi...
Indeed. You can't pacify those who David Cameron (remember him?) referred to as 'those who won't take yes for an answer'. Nothing will ever be enough for them until he's got troops on the streets, marching immigrants to Dover and driving them into the sea.
Listening to 'Honest Bob' on radio 4 this morning, its obvious that Cruella is actually the de facto PM already. Lil Rishi is now just her spokesman. He's now just enacting all her demands. Just as Jimmy Dimly is in Rwanda today, championed a policy he previously (correctly) referred to as 'batshit', I'd put your house on Rishi announcing 'his' plan to withdraw from the ECHR before the next election.
The tail is well and truly wagging the dog again. But the tail is the Cruella/Anderson/Gullis headbanger wing. They're effectively running the country now. Sunak is just a passenger. The rest of us are just hostages to these loons
So Lil Rishi has signed a new treaty with Rwanda.
Today...
https://twitter.com/RishiSunak/status/1732040810873622785?s=20
18 months ago....
They just had a leading immigration lawyer on Five Live. His said that it won't make a blind bit of difference as the Supreme Court deal in facts, not opinions. So whether Rishi and Jimmy Dimly think its safe of not is of no consequence whatsoever. It doesn't change the facts that Rwanda, after much deliberation, was considered unsafe then and still is now. Nothing has changed.
His opinion was that they know all this full well, as their legal advice will have told them exactly this, but they're pressing ahead anyway. They're doing so because they'll look like idiots if they drop it now, having sunk hundreds of millions into it already, and its also they want to use it as a wedge issue as part of their ongoing culture war as an election approaches.
Cleverley is the third Home Secretary to visit Rwanda bearing large bundles of cash and (quite rightly) not a single asylum seeker has been sent there, nor will they ever be.
And this is what passes for government in this country nowadays 🙄
could this be an amazingly smart ruse to channel (no pun intended) aid money to Rwanda without appearing to back down on the reduction budget for aid? Will we soon start seeing similar treaties with other nations in need of support?
Yeah... I reckon philanthropy is definitely at the forefront of their thinking here.<br /><br />They're all heart, after all and renowned for their random acts of kindness
They just had a leading immigration lawyer on Five Live. His said that it won’t make a blind bit of difference as the Supreme Court deal in facts, not opinions.
Plus even if they somehow get past that barrier its going to be a couple of hundred people at most.
So looking at the last seven days (I do love how the government insist on having this page which shows how they fail at "stopping the boats" might remove the 64 on the 29th Nov and most of the 224 people on the 30th Nov.
Shame about the 93 on the 1st Dec, 519 on the 2nd and 118 on he 3rd.
Looking at the 28th Nov I do wonder whether his abandonment of net zero etc is in part based on the fact that the only "successful" days they have are when its crap and so climate change with more variable weather might work for them.
Stands more chance than their current plans.
could this be an amazingly smart ruse to channel (no pun intended) aid money to Rwanda without appearing to back down on the reduction budget for aid?
I did like how they proudly announced the money wasnt directly linked to the treaty.
Well done to the Rwanda negotiating team there. If I was on their side I would also be insisting the cash wasnt dependent on something bound to fail due to UK reasons.
There is no evidence that I am aware of that Rwanda has been given anything on top of the £140m they have already been given.
I think the £140m was just a deposit to cover the costs of materials, portaloos, skips, etc.
£140 million has been described as an 'initial payment' with further payments undefined and not quantified.
Sunday Times reported that Kigali wanted £15 million 'top up' to agree new terms while sunak refused to comment on additional payments.
Add these sums to payments to France and you get a big number which has done exactly what to deter any asylum seekers?
The answer is (very close to) nothing.
Government can always find money - if they want to.
Pathetic.
while sunak refused to comment on additional payments.
So he just coughed up whatever they asked for then...Rwandans should have gone for more than the 15 million.
It clearly shows that neither sunak nor any of his minions have a clue about negotiating.
In two easy steps they have handed complete control of this whole plan to Rwanda.
Genius.
I wonder what the governments legal bill is so far for this continued unworkable nonsense?
So he just coughed up whatever they asked for then…Rwandans should have gone for more than the 15 million.
Nah go too high and it might give the tories an excuse for backing out. Best not to kill the golden goose when you can get millions for nothing.
The plan to solve the whole Rwanda thing by sending over lawyers is amusing. I thought lefty lawyers were responsible for spoiling everything. Have they've found a team of crack righty lawyers down the back of the sofa?
Or is it more sinister than that - keep exporting lawyers to Rwanda until theres non left. Use the threat of relocation to a safe third country as a means of dissuading anyone thinking of becoming a lawyer from applying to law school.
richard tice...'the only things to have gone to Rwanda are 3 home secretaries and 140 million quid'.
As for government legal bill...if using in-house lawyers, nil as they're already on the payroll.
If external, kerching! for the lawyers.
a clumsy electoral trap for Labour
Timed to come into force in April.
May election?
Timed to come into force in April.
May election?
nah they want it to be in force before the election as theyre convinced it will save them........ until the next reset
It won't save them. This scarily accurate piece in the Mash explains why...
If you only knew how racist we really are, sigh right-wing voters
Timed to come into force in April.
May election?
It's a head-scratcher. May seems obvious, as they want to get the geriatric vote out, and they won't do that in January. But then, in May, the winter energy/cost-of-living extravaganza we're about to experience will be fresh in everyone's minds. He must know there's no economic turnaround coming now, that everything he's announcing will be unravelling within a few months. Even with a significant Parliamentary majority he's losing key votes now.
I thought he'd go this autumn, as none of the signs were good for 2024, let Labour bear the brunt of what's to come and hope to get back in in 2028/9. But I guess dumb decisions and wishful thinking are strong in the modern Conservative Party. Hell, they may even go for another leader switcheroo before calling the election immediately.
It is only a trap if Labour don't oppose it, the trap of once again going along with the racist Torie agenda out of sheer cowardice.
There is absolutely no point in claiming that labour will be different to the Tories, and then in the next breath saying they shouldn't be different because every own goal the tories present is a trap. It is nothing but pure hypocrisy.
nah they want it to be in force before the election as theyre convinced it will save them
That would require them to believe that the whole idea of sending asylum seekers to Rwanda is actually going to make any difference - not a chance!
Which is precisely why they will want a general election before it is seen to have failed.
Labour will get the blame for scrapping it.
Too many people buy into this nonsense that the Tories are stupid. Ironically you have to be a little dim to believe that!
Small beans really, and probably only a couple of us on here still outraged and offended by this but whatever Little Rishi and co are spending money on, it's clearly not graphic designers still...
Work experience kid and Canva?
All right wing/nationalist design is absolutely awful due to it reflecting the (lack of) taste of the idiots producing it. They're always so ridiculously simplistic they reduce everything to an insistence on using flags everywhere, horrible (flag-related) primary colours and CAPITAL LETTERS IN HIDEOUS, BLOCKY, CONDENSED TYPEFACES
Which self-respecting graphic designer would want to produce that shite?
"New Plan for Immigration" they even lie in four words of print.
£140 million <<-- yup,small beans 😠
shame that some could do with a few plates of beans.
As the gap increases,the haves don't give a toss about the have not,so let's keep the attention on these pesky illegals.
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plus however much more they have given and its certainly some from their refusal to admit or deny it. Just " it will be in the accounts published next year"
To be fair to the Rwandan government, you’d have to pay me over a hundred million to have to endure dealing with Priti Patel, Suella Braverman then James Cleverley in quick succession
The Supreme Court decides that Rwandan government cannot be trusted to comply with international law, based on the fact that they have previously ignored international law.
So the Home Secretary pops over to Rwanda and flies back to announce that there is nothing to worry about as he has sorted everything out - the Rwandan has assured him that they can definitely be trusted.
James Cleverley has played a proper blinder. Top quality politician.
New Rwanda asylum treaty deals with Supreme Court concerns, says James Cleverly
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-67627696
The Supreme Court, the UK's highest court, rejected the policy on the grounds that it could not be guaranteed the Rwandan government would honour a principle of international law known as non-refoulement.
Nothing new or revelatory in that^^^
It doesn't change the facts as determined by the highest court in the land.
It does nothing to change the opinion of the majority that cleverly is incompetent but can read any script convincingly.
It does nothing to address the whole asylum seeking issue.
It panders to committed tory voters.
Next.
I can imagine the chat at the Supreme Court…
It’s ok lads, Jimmy popped over to Rwanda this morning, had a chat with them and apparently it’s all fine now.
Great stuff! Best get those flights booked for the morning then. Job jobbed! Nice one Jimbo!
So have we done the bit where Cleverly is looking around a visitor centre full of sculls that were killed during the genocide?
Inconvenient.
Or... That even after asking what day it was, he signed the visitor book 6th November?
What a details guy 😁
"Rishi Sunak faces up to 10 ministers quitting if he adopts a hardline approach on Rwanda and uses emergency legislation to circumvent the European Convention on Human Rights (ECHR)."
And for those who still believe, thanks to his slick presentation skills, that Austerity Dave isn't on the right of the Tory Party:
On Tuesday, during his first monthly question time in the House of Lords, Lord Cameron, the Foreign Secretary, said Parliament should be able to pass legislation that blocked ECHR judgments that the Government disagreed with.
In contrast to the left of the Tory Party:
However, Matt Warman, a leading member of the One Nation group, said: “Overriding the ECHR is a red line for a number of Conservatives. Protecting and reforming institutions and upholding human rights should be the cornerstone of any Conservative government.”
I don't believe David Cameron has a single personally-held belief that he wouldn't jettison in a heartbeat if it suited him.
As for Rishi... Its over an issue as stupid as the Rwanda policy that the Tory party might finally tear itself apart. He has completely painted himself into a corner over this one and has manoeuvred himself into a position where he can't win.
I don't doubt for a second that, in order to win the leadership election he assured Braverman and her associated nutjobs that he'd see this policy through, no matter what it took, even withdrawing from the ECHR and now thats what they're demanding. Not least because he agrees with them. Despite the slicker presentation, he's as swivel-eyed as the rest of them.
Unfortunately for him, and thankfully for the rest of us, there are still enough Tory MPs who are sane enough to realise the huge real-world implications of doing something as absolutely mental as withdrawing from or suspending the ECHR. It'd throw hand grenades into the Good Friday Agreement, the devolved governments and, overnight, make us complete international pariahs, who's only fellow travellers would be Russia and Belarus. Great company to be in!
The main problem is though, as has been pointed out by everyone with even a passing legal knowledge and in detail by the Supreme Court judgement... its won't make a blind bit of difference. There are all manner of other legally binding international treaties and agreements that would still render deportation to Rwanda illegal. Its not just the ECHR. Is he going to tear all those up too? Then what?
The whole Rwanda policy was weapons grade idiocy from day one and it'd be more than fitting if this is the hill that the Tory party chooses to die on
Genuine question: does withdrawing from ECHR mess up the Good Friday Agreement?
Forget Rwanda, Rishi's got big problems coming his way from Johnson at the covid inquiry. He's not going to pass up this chance for revenge by painting Sunak as the guy who wanted to let people die to save the economy.
does withdrawing from ECHR mess up the Good Friday Agreement?
Yes, The GFA uses the ECHR as the final arbiter, with things like early release for paramilitaries and rights for citizens for appeal to a higher (and independent) court. It essentially resolved difficulties regarding perception of partisan courts. It also enshrined Human rights legislation through a more robust Equalities Commission, and allowed British and Irish citizens to claim either UK or Irish citizenship without discrimination. Over half a million residents in NI hold Irish passports.
Rishi is now watching your bank account; NSFW
They choose today to respond to the Hillsborough report? After 7 years?
They're just taking the piss now, aren't they?
braverman's putting the boot in too
https://twitter.com/Peston/status/1732380389660872706?t=8ofLfv6hVkHNAr25oe_e5A&s=19
https://twitter.com/PolitlcsUK/status/1732432579347796242
Oh FFS, just give up and call an election.
Today Braverman sat in the same seat in the commons that Geoffrey Howe sat in when he stood up and made his famous resignation speech that brought down Thatcher
Talk about getting ideas above your station and a ludicrously over-inflated idea of your own importance?
Her and Lil Rishi are political pygmies but they're both so arrogant and self-regarding they can't even see it