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Apparently Rey's lightsabre handle was made from her staff that she had in the desert originally. I read that rather than spotting it myself...
I enjoyed it. A bit cheesy at times but that’s par for the course. I imagine if we all saw the first (4th) one for the first time now we’d be ripping it to bits. Just a religious theme with fluorescent dildos etc….
This. I enjoyed the film, though the first 30 minutes seemed to be mostly running around for no great reason. The equivalent of turning the amplifiers up to 11. After that it settled down into the usual enjoyable nonsense. A solid 7/10 for me.
Too many close up shots of Rey's face.... Tone it down a bit please JJ.
Watched it this afternoon, it was, well, a bit dull.
Just watched it this evening. I'm not sure. Maybe a 6/10 if I am being generous. It promised so much in parts, then just ****ed it up in the next scene.
It should have been called "No-one Ever Really Dies" though.
I watched it last night and really enjoyed it!!
Some interesting stories coming out from the cast & crew
Editing time was much shorter than previous films in the rush to make it for Xmas release , a lot of scenes had multiple takes that were in/out in the script & decided at last minute, eg Adam/daisy kiss.
A lot of extra stuff was scripted & filmed featuring CG Leia , so the hobbit & Rose & the other rebels had a lot of scenes cut, the reasons for this either, time constraints, cost/ quality of CG (tho imho cg Leia was done pretty well this time) plot etc , with some actors a bit miffed a lot of their scenes never made it. I can understand why they didn't want to get bogged down in that possibly schmaltzy stuff, I favour of more palpatine , tho it did feel that those rebel characters were shoehorned in a bit.
Went to see it yesterday afternoon in IMAX at the Odeon Metrocentre.
We both really enjoyed it...
Two weeks on and I still remember enjoying the film, but I couldn't tell you what the plot was.
Saw it Monday at the BFI IMAX (Waterloo). I enjoyed it. One or two very silly bits (space horses on the outside of the Star Destroyers in particular) but it did what it set out to be - to close the series.
Not as good as Rogue One. Surely the best of the Star Wars movies?
Scotroutes +1
Star Wars in order of goodness...
Empire Strikes Back
A New Hope
Rogue One
Return of The Jedi
Last Jedi
Phantom Menace
Revenge of the Sith
Force Awakens
Rise of Skywalker
AOTC
I was with you until last jedi/phantom menace Princejohn!
Rogue One
Empire
New Hope
Muppets in Space
Force Awakens
Rise of Skywalker
Last Jedi
Solo
The sixth (3rd) one
Attack of the Clowns
The one with the fish/rabbit man
Saw it last night.
Given the brief and the way the last one ended, I thought it was very good indeed.
I doubt I'll ever watch the three prequels again, but Rogue One, Solo and 4-9 all stand up imo.
Star Wars in order of goodness…
Episode IV
Empire
Force Awakens for nostlagia trip.
That's it. The others don't derserve a ranking.
There are only two Alien movies too - in my mind.
The others don’t derserve a ranking.
Not even Rogue One?
A quick Han Solo you mean?
And there's only one Alien film.
The others are all bollocks. Especially Aliens, which is just a bunch of ****ers blowing things up.
The lad who took our tickets and showed us to our seats at the flicks last night was called Wan btw.
Said nowt, he's probably heard it all before.
I enjoyed it but tried not to think about it at all - too many ridiculous bits. However, I had to stop myself from laughing out quite loudly when Daisy decided that she couldn't train anymore because she was a bit tired. Very twenty-first century. "I'm going now, can't be bothered, bye. Anyone want a coffee?'
Rusty Spanner
Subscriber
The lad who took our tickets and showed us to our seats at the flicks last night was called Wan btw.
I think I've met his little brother Twa
I enjoyed it but tried not to think about it at all – too many ridiculous bits.
Me too, it's Star Wars not Hamlet.
What didn’t people like about the space horses?
Thought it made sense as to why they planned to use them for ground assault-being on the star destroyer was never the plan.
I enjoyed it. Just zoned out and let my inner child imagine being a Jedi again.
The lad who took our tickets and showed us to our seats at the flicks last night was called Wan btw.
Does he come from a long line of Btws?
Welsh I assume
Saw it on Monday. Enjoyed it.
MrPottatoHead
Member
What didn’t people like about the space horses?
I think a lot of people don't realise that the star destroyers were all in the planet's atmosphere.
It's certainly not the daftest part of that sequence tbh
Me too, it’s Star Wars not Hamlet.
I will get a bit ranty and will quite unashamedly say I havent seen the new one, but have seen every previous film and most of them at the cinema apart from The Last Jedi.
I know it's not Hamlet but expecting people to believe a character that clearly died in an earlier episode but is not really dead with no sufficient reason for this is just treating movie goers like idiots.
The Last Jedi was a truly awful addition to Star Wars by Disney. Rogue One is the only good one they have done
But I feel that Lucas did sell them a massively popular universe with likeable characters and overarching themes that Disney are trying hard to flush down the toilet through horrendously lazy writing.
I know if I dont like it I dont have to watch it, however peoples constant wish to have money hovered from their pockets at the cinema foyer whilst their brain is sucked out alongside for a profitable return from a franchise I much enjoyed means that less and less moderately risky projects with at least a bit of brain engagement wont see the like of day.
If Christopher Nolan was a young director now looking to start on a film directing career he would stand little chance of having the funding to produce the excellent and thought provoking films he has.
I know it’s not Hamlet but expecting people to believe a character that clearly died in an earlier episode but is not really dead with no sufficient reason for this is just treating movie goers like idiots.
That would be the magic guy with lightning bolts coming out of his hands, right?
Mind you, the Last Jedi was crap, I'll give you that.
Rogue One is the dogs...
Oh, and Caravan of Courage of course!
That would be the magic guy with lightning bolts coming out of his hands, right?
I can suspend disbelief for a movie, especially sci fi or fantasy films. Inception is one of my favourite films of the last 20 years, but convincing people to change their mind by infiltrating dreams within their dreams within dreams is hardly believable.
I can accept the emperor as the character in the Star Wars that uses the force to shoot lightning from his hands. Character death throughout the series has not been reversible. Yes, jedi characters have appeared to their offspring or apprentices fleetingly to offer wisdom or be a voice in the ear, but to just turn up alive after having been dead is shameful. People going to the cinema deserve better writing that this.
How can character deaths be trusted in any film going forward now?
I havent seen it so dont want to go on at length, but the previous outing I have seen is all over the place. So many unlovable characters going about all over the place at 100mph. Story arcs through the first two new films dont know whether they are coming or going. Its palpably obvious TFA and TLJ came about by writers that had no idea what they wanted. I was out from the moment a CGI Leia dragged herself to safety from space using the force. People now probably would find the pacing of the original trilogy pedestrian due to short attention spans.
Writers should have felt privileged to be allowed to work on such a project and hence brought their A game. Sadly they didn't. Mediocre writers clearly playing for the cash and not the shirt.
You really need to go watch it to understand. I’d hardly say they’ve brought him back to life-think more talking corpse/puppet.
I know it’s not Hamlet but expecting people to believe a character that clearly died in an earlier episode but is not really dead with no sufficient reason for this is just treating movie goers like idiots.
It's worked for Christianity for 2000 years, why not for a kid's film?
But I feel that Lucas did sell them a massively popular universe with likeable characters and overarching themes that Disney are trying hard to flush down the toilet through horrendously lazy writing.
Which overarching themes are those then?
It's always been a decent western with spaceships.
Honestly, have a word.
The prequels were shite because they had awful actors, poor stories and annoying characters.
The original three were great because they were exciting, had good stories and were well acted. And we were kids.
The sequels have all been fine. If we were seven again we'd love them.
The dialogue has always been awful, that's part of the charm.
peoples constant wish to have money hovered from their pockets
Is that some sort of Force Lift?
How can character deaths be trusted in any film going forward now?
Really? Character deaths haven't been trusted in sci-fi / fantasy / drama / superhero genres for like a century. This isn't new.
How can character deaths be trusted in any film going forward now?
You wrongly assumed he was dead. The fault is yours
The prequels were shite because they had awful actors, poor stories and annoying characters.
The original three were great because they were exciting, had good stories and were well acted. And we were kids.
The kids bit is key. I was chatting to some of the "kids" at work (all around 30 years old) they saw the prequels (1-3) when they came out: they like the prequels and love Jar Jar Binks...
The prequels were shite because they had awful actors
Liam Neeson, Ewan McGregor, Natalie Portman, Samuel L Jackson, Christopher Lee.
Yip, awful.
Alternatively, it was abysmal scripting, an over reliance on awful CGI, exposition heavy dialogue and sub-plots etc
So you can't cope with the re-emergence of the Emperor when you thought he was dead (*), but fully buy in to the stroke of luck in A New Hope that Leia sends a message to Obi Wan and the Droids happen to land on the planet where he is in hiding. And of all the people that buy them from the Jawas it's a family with a link to Obi Wan.
*If you've seen Solo then this has already been signalled with presence of Darth Maul.
If you’ve seen Solo then this has already been signalled with presence of Darth Maul.
Wait till he finds out Boba Fett didn't actually die in RotJ
How can character deaths be trusted in any film going forward now?
Have you heard the story of Darth Plagueis the wise?
How can character deaths be trusted in any film going forward now?
I know most of the films had some sense of reality with Jesus type births, massive worms, spaceships, moving rocks buy just concentrating and talking with dead people but you have to feel by allowing people to live after being killed is just getting beyonds the realms of reality.
I do agree to an extent about the warping of 'the rules' of the science fiction world that Star Wars inhabits.
There was just all this weird stuff that happened, that's never happened before but all of a sudden is perfectly normal & reasonable...similar to when all of a sudden R2-D2 could fly....trudge through a sandy desert, rather than fly over it & get captured by the sand people, but get stuck in a weird furnace place (not a massive fan, so can't quite remember all the details) and just decide to engage rockets & start flying about. Anyway, I digress....
Weird things that suddenly appeared in the latest on for me, included...
The healing stuff - ooooh, there's a funny snake with an abrasion, I'll just give him a rub & make him better....
Jedi ghosts who can now interact with the material world - so Ghost Luke can catch the lightsabre & re-float a sunken X-Wing. If they can still use their Jedi powers in ghost mode, why aren't they all still around, helping the rebels in many more situations? I can cope with a ghostly apparition providing some advice, but to then randomly start interacting with the material world seems a bit odd...
The 'virtual reality' fights, where Rey & Kylo Ren are fighting each other across space & all of a sudden material things get somehow transmitted through the virtual world & appear....Rey bumping into Darth's helmet which then falls at Kylo's feet.....eh?! If they can fight virtually & mortally wound each other, why didn't Kylo Ren just wait until bed time & virtually assassinate Rey?
I was out from the moment a CGI Leia dragged herself to safety from space using the force.
Why is that the part that is unbelievable? She's as powerful as Luke.
In Guardians of the Galaxy there was a similar moment, but no-one has called them out on it.
Why is that the part that is unbelievable?
Indeed.
Laser swords
Telekenisis
Mind control
Scientifically inaccurate light speed travel
Ghosts
Gangster slugs
etc
But someone flying in space is the unbelievable part
In Guardians of the Galaxy there was a similar moment, but no-one has called them out on it.
In fairness, the bloke who didn't have the breathing equipment died in that one.
The problem isn't that the Star Wars universe is too far-fetched, it's just about internal consistency. The hyperspace jump through the pursuing star destroyer in TLJ was cool, but it raised a lot of questions about why that wasn't an established tactic against Death Stars and the like, and also why the admiral waited until nearly all her flotilla was dead before doing it, and why she didn't use one of the more expendable ships.
I'm also sure there is some basic physics/gravity issue with the idea of a bombing run in space, but I was prepared to let that drop, as it were.
There was just all this weird stuff that happened, that’s never happened before but all of a sudden is perfectly normal & reasonable…
That irked me too. There would have been an awful lot of deus ex machina moments in RoS, if there hadn't also been an awful lot of foreshadowing to offset it.
Liam Neeson, Ewan McGregor, Natalie Portman, Samuel L Jackson, Christopher Lee.
Yip, awful.
Alternatively, it was abysmal scripting, an over reliance on awful CGI, exposition heavy dialogue and sub-plots etc
You're right, apart from Natalie Portman, who IS awful.
It was the acting, not the actors, on the whole.
If they can still use their Jedi powers in ghost mode, why aren’t they all still around, helping the rebels in many more situations? I can cope with a ghostly apparition providing some advice, but to then randomly start interacting with the material world seems a bit odd…
tbh ever since JJ Abrams came along with the TFA theyve been doing these silly things
its just lazy script writing & to wow us all with a new twist
eg when Han Solo jumped the Falcon inside the shield of starkiller base
-If theyd have done that in ROTJ, then there would have been no need to go to endor at all!
In fairness, the bloke who didn’t have the breathing equipment died in that one.
No he didn't...
The problem isn’t that the Star Wars universe is too far-fetched, it’s just about internal consistency.
Yes - things need to fit into the laws of their established universe otherwise you get Matt Smith waving his sonic screwdriver at everything to fix it.
I’m also sure there is some basic physics/gravity issue with the idea of a bombing run in space, but I was prepared to let that drop, as it were.
They could be magnetic?
The hyperspace jump through the pursuing star destroyer in TLJ was cool, but it raised a lot of questions about why that wasn’t an established tactic against Death Stars and the like, and also why the admiral waited until nearly all her flotilla was dead before doing it, and why she didn’t use one of the more expendable ships.
She just thought of it?
I'd not thought of it, had anyone who questions it?
but fully buy in to the stroke of luck in A New Hope that Leia sends a message to Obi Wan and the Droids happen to land on the planet where he is in hiding. And of all the people that buy them from the Jawas it’s a family with a link to Obi Wan.
Perhaps Leia had an idea of roughly where Obi Wan could be found and programmes R2 accordingly. She has jedi powers after all. Perhaps she had other saviours on other planets that could help but because she is above Tatooine when she knows capture is imminent then she relies on Obi Wan.
I am aware that lucky encounters are required throughout cinematic history, and that other standalone films have elements of death and resurection which are core to a films plot but the Palpatine returning from the grave years after writers would have us believe he has clearly died surely should be explained.
An example of the writers clueless approach to what they want is in setting up a new emperor like character in Snoke before killing him off before no development at all. As a character he seemed utterly pointless. He should have been the Emperor character in the last film of the series.
The whole Palpatine returns from the dead with no explanation is not just me. I have spoken to others and read reviews where that has been an issue. My 10yo son saw it at a party and he found it too much of a leap of faith.
I will agree to disagree with those that like it.
They could be magnetic?
Can't see any problems with chucking metal bombs out of your metal space bomber? 😀
@martinhutch @kimbers the micro jumping in the Falcon in TROS was irksome; as any fule kno you can’t make the jump to hyperspace in a gravity well.
i’m also sure there is some basic physics/gravity issue with the idea of a bombing run in space,
Star Destroyers clearly generate their own gravity otherwise there'd be Stormtroopers floating about everywhere.
If you can accept that people are able to walk about on the space ships then the bombing needs to work as well.
The bombs are dropped due to the artificially generated gravity inside the smaller ship allowing them to accelerate and gain enough velocity to escape that and once in the vaccuum of space they are then attracted by the much larger gravitational pull of the much larger ships. ( since gravity is determined by mass.)
tbh ever since JJ Abrams came along with the TFA theyve been doing these silly things
Again, is it any sillier than midiclorians, yoda suddenly being the long lost uncle of Simone Biles, Obi Wan's ghost suggesting Luke turns off his targeting computer, a 900 year old frail jedi telekinetically raising a crashed X Wing from a swamp which promptly flies off with no ill effects etc
THE WHOLE THING IS NONSENSE! STOP NIT PICKING!
I think people forget that all of the jedi we meet in the original trilogy are shit. Yoda's practically dead, Alec Guiness is permanently drunk, and Luke barely knows how to turn on a light sabre. It totally makes sense for there to be other force powers that we've never seen.
And sure, we see a lot more of them in the prequel but we don't really see an opportunity for force healing, etc. Most of the jedi we see actually doing stuff are warriors rather than scholars.
"but fully buy in to the stroke of luck in A New Hope that Leia sends a message to Obi Wan and the Droids happen to land on the planet where he is in hiding"
The Force moves in mysterious ways
Han Solo thought about hyperspace crashes in episode IV when he was telling Luke flying in space wasn't like dusting crops as they escape from Tattooine. I don't really a problem with Palpatines return, Snoke was a dead end, it did feel like episodes VII and VIII were the anomalies although Reys parentage was a bit iffy.
Princess Leia going to Tatooine made sense though, the Organa's would have known where Obi Wan was and the star destroyer caught up when the Tantive IV came out of hyperspace. The inconsistency was it must have tracked the Tantive IV through hyperspace which is impossible according to a key part of episode VIII without a tracker on the ship being followed or First Order tech that was news to everyone in episode VIII.
Anyway Rogue One is best followed by
Empire Strikes Back
New Hope
Revenge of the Sith
Solo
Rise of Skywalker
Clone Wars
Return of the Jedi
The Phantom Menace
Last Jedi
“but fully buy in to the stroke of luck in A New Hope that Leia sends a message to Obi Wan and the Droids happen to land on the planet where he is in hiding”
Exccept she was already flying over Tatooine when she recorded the message immediately prior to her capture.
She also says that she was sent to find him by her father so she clearly knew where he was hiding.
Not so much luck.
Anyway Rogue One is best followed by
Empire Strikes Back
New Hope
Revenge of the Sith
Solo
Rise of Skywalker
Clone Wars
Return of the Jedi
The Phantom Menace
Last Jedi
You forgot about Caravan of Courage: An Ewok Adventure!
And what about
?
"We're driving home for wookie christmas,
Oh I can't wait to see their faces...
Oh no actually, they're really awful"
But I feel that Lucas did sell them a massively popular universe with likeable characters and overarching themes that Disney are trying hard to flush down the toilet through horrendously lazy writing.
Overarching themes and lazy writing?
Lucas couldn’t even keep track of the films. Obi Wan can’t recall owning a droid he was friends with for years. He goes in to hiding by wearing exactly the same clothes he’s always worn. Literally a Jedi uniform!
Changes his name to basically the name he already had. Keeps a lightsaber that was used to massacre most of his mates and a bunch of small children. Finally hides Luke on the one planet that Darth Vader would most likely look for him on, in the place he would probably look first.
Vader can sense Luke through space in the middle of a battle, can’t sense his daughter from less than a foot away.
There is no overarching plot or ideas . Just films for children and nostalgia for some adults.
Han Solo thought about hyperspace crashes in episode IV when he was telling Luke flying in space wasn’t like dusting crops
From a self preservation perspective of not destroying your own ship, rather than the idea of destroying whatever you crash into.
****ing forum stop being shit
Lucas couldn’t even keep track of the films. Obi Wan can’t recall owning a droid he was friends with for years. He goes in to hiding by wearing exactly the same clothes he’s always worn. Literally a Jedi uniform!
Lucas couldn't keep track of them for sure, however did Obi Wan Kenobi actually 'own' R2D2. I will let you in on a secret. I owned a Rover Metro that I was friendly with 25 years ago. If I see a Rover Metro today I cant be sure if it my old friend or not. Can you actually believe that?
Also Kenobi goes to Tatooine for for solitude not to hide. I dont see why he should feel the need to change his clothes.
I will grant you that hiding Luke with relatives is a silly idea, by my point is that now knowing that being killed is no real impediment, it doesn't really matter what he does does it? Every character might as well have a bright target on their back for all it matters now.
You forgot about Caravan of Courage: An Ewok Adventure!
There's also the sequel
I went to see it on Saturday night and, having been there as an 11 yr old queing around the block to see the original back in '77 I have to say I loved it. IMO it was the best film since Empire Strikes Back - plenty of the big fight scenes we have come to expect, plenty of nods back to the original three films and I thought they wrapped it all up quite neatly really. I even felt a tiny bit emotional at times.
A very solid 8/10 from me.