An unforseen (or maybe not) byproduct of the Scots Independence campaign has been a rise in English Nationalism,
Aww, rubbish. English nationalism has been on an upswing since the mid 1990s, and the last 12 years of anti-Muslim frothing is far more important to English people than Scottish independence - an issue of which normal English people were barely aware.
Why is English Nationlism "anti-Muslim frothing"?
In 1990's there was a definite attempt to claim the St Georges Cross back from the right wing arseholes. I grew up in the 70's and 80's and the only people who seemed to display the flag of my Country were right wing nutters. It had a very negative image.
When the left wing hand wringers associate English Nationalism with racism, then all that does is actually help the likes of the BNP.
anti-Muslim frothing is far more important to English people than Scottish independence
Utter bollocks. Scottish independence is showing us that the status quo can be changed. As for the anti Muslim/immigrant stuffs IMHO, all are welcome as long as they pay tax.
Scotland is a bastion of religious and racial tolerance? Don't make me laugh. A region/country such as Scoland with a relatively low level of ethnic diversity compared to say England should not be claiming any sort of moral highground with regards to it's stance on Islam. I know a few Scottish nationalist that hate London, however by their own admission have never been. (I don't know where they get that idea from). For all it's faults London is one of the most diverse and vibrant cities I have visited. A million miles from the image portrayed by the SNP.
I was referring to the point that otherwise middle of the road English folk, those who aren't normally 'anti Muslim mouth frothers' are getting agitated and becoming more Nationalist due to the increased media interest in what is to be fair a very important moment in UK history.
In my recent experience people are asking why cant we be separated from Scotland for the benefit of both Nations.
I was slightly pro Union when this all started, now I've come to the conclusion it will be better for England and Wales if Scotland goes, i suspect it will be better for Scotland as well but there are lots of counter claims about that
I hope Scotland votes yes next year.
I'm not one to get involved in these things, and I'm ambivalent about Scottish Independence: but about 50% of the posts on this thread neatly sum up the attitude towards Scots that inspires the 'Yes' voters I know.
I'm not one to get involved in these things, and I'm ambivalent about Scottish Independence: but about 50% of the posts on this thread neatly sum up the attitude towards Scots that inspires the 'Yes' voters I know.
And equally, were there a referendum on English independence, I'm sure a large number of comments on the Scottish independence thread would encourage yes voters in that hypothetical referendum also.
And equally, were there a referendum on English independence, I'm sure a large number of comments on the Scottish independence thread would encourage yes voters in that hypothetical referendum also.
Indisputably.
it will be better for England and Wales if Scotland goes
If Scotland goes, Wales will be next. No doubt about it.
Wales will be next.
Sorry Cody but that just would never work. Scotland has the O&G and also some major financial services, as well other industries, especially in the Central belt.
Wales just doesn't have enough to be a viable independent.
Face it, your stuck with us. 🙂
If Scotland goes, Wales will be next. No doubt about it.
Really? I think the welsh are pretty smart and know which side their bread is buttered (and more importantly who is paying for the butter).
Really? I think the welsh are pretty smart and know which side their bread is buttered (and more importantly who is paying for the butter).
All the Welshmen reading this thread just sat up and looked around 🙂
All the Welshmen reading this thread just sat up and looked around
Expects half a dozen posts in welsh till they think we can't hear them
If Wales wanted Independence i would support it - it would be the choice of the Welsh after all.
Plenty of the Welsh do want independence. Well, independence from England, whilst having huge dependence on EU subsidy.
Why is English Nationlism "anti-Muslim frothing"?
I didn't say it was, but I'll make what I said more explicit as rereading it I agree it was ambiguous. I meant:
Aww, rubbish. English nationalism has been on an upswing since the mid 1990s, and the last 12 years of anti-Muslim frothing is far more important to English people's views on English nationalism than Scottish independence - an issue of which normal English people were barely aware.
In other words, Osama bin Laden and Nick Griffin have been far more influential in the present ebb of interest in English nationalism than Alex Salmond, and it's an uptick that dates from the period in which the independence movement was weak. Pinning English nationalism on the Scots is just absurd.